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Ex-Tech –> Homeless in SF

https://zamoshi.substack.com/p/ninety-four-degrees
91•Zamoshi•2h ago

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OsrsNeedsf2P•1h ago
Great read. One bad side is it was so long, by the time I came back to upvote this article you already fell off trending.
thomasben•1h ago
It is scary. We live in a harsh world. I hope you made it through.
onetokeoverthe•1h ago
needs more backstory. what's your crime and why aren't you being paid for your superbowl work?
nothrabannosir•46m ago
I think the superbowl work is the present and the homelessness was a flashback
saagarjha•1h ago
> A couple months ago, I found that particular bridge was next to an office building inhabited by some of my old colleagues. A start-up I had been a part of in New York. Where I was the first employee. I had owned equity. They had eventually sold for $350 million.

It is depressing easy to have this happen and even worse how many people are convinced it could never be them.

hiyer•53m ago
> A start-up I had been a part of in New York. Where I was the first employee. I had owned equity. They had eventually sold for $350 million.

What happened to the author's equity?

ArchieScrivener•51m ago
Are people reading this or just up voting the title? Sounds like someone who screwed up their life, likely by being stubborn, and doing a lot of drugs, which doesn't take knowing how to code to pull off. Reads like a love letter to misery by someone who knew they would never be truly affected by it.
tossandthrow•45m ago
He explicitly writes that he did not do drugs or alcohol.

It would seem like it is some kind of felony charges that are the cause. Whatever they were.

But all in all - the downside risk is huge in the US.

ryanjshaw•43m ago
The style of writing and strange segways suggest mental illness; the blog description seems to confirm it.
pjerem•14m ago
Doesn’t change anything. In civilized world, people who are mentally ill are took care of by the society, not thrown in the streets.
hn_throwaway_99•11m ago
He wasn't "thrown into the streets". He was offered food and shelter, and he declined it.
tossandthrow•3m ago
It is incredible how much energy is being put into justifying why this is his own fault?

I guess this is the only way people with high salaries or wealth in the US can find peace with themselves - maybe that's the mental illness?

curtisblaine•37m ago
> He explicitly writes that he did not do drugs or alcohol

> My public defender reminded me of a woman I did ayahuasca with in upstate New York.

Well...

hn_throwaway_99•32m ago
> He explicitly writes that he did not do drugs or alcohol.

What are you talking about? He specifically mentions drinking beer and doing ayahuasca in the past.

imiric•32m ago
Sure, we don't know the entire backstory, but can we agree that no person should live in these conditions? Especially in one of the richest places in the world. Everyone deserves dignity, food, and shelter.

Also, can we stop stigmatizing "drug" use? Most of humanity uses "drugs" regularly for various reasons. Just because a specific "drug" which someone enjoys using recreationally is on a government list doesn't mean that they can't be a productive member of society. Live and let live.

hn_throwaway_99•28m ago
He was given food and shelter, and then he left on his own volition. He wasn't willing to stay in a shelter unless he had a private room so he stole some stuff from some stores so he could sleep under a bridge.
imiric•16m ago
He was given temporary shelter, and later a bed in a room with 20 people. Have you seen what these places look like? Would you sleep in such conditions?

Dignity and personal space is something the richest country in the world can afford for all of its citizens. Yet chooses not to.

People committing petty theft are largely forced to do so due to the circumstances they live in. Your judgment is better aimed at people committing white-collar crime with far worse consequences in the same city the author is located in.

hn_throwaway_99•4m ago
He makes it sound like he was originally offered more permanent shelter but he rejected it:

> The end of March happened and so did the temporary shelter. I needed to find a new place.

> I remembered a place in San Mateo I rejected back in February. It hadn’t crossed my mind when I first arrived back in San Francisco. When I had been offered it in February, I rejected the offer because I thought it was ludicrous to think I was homeless. I come from a relatively privileged upbringing, and the idea of homelessness was a distant concept to my naive brain.

pierrekin•25m ago
It’s hard to respond to a call for “everyone to agree” in an online forum but yes.

Even people who are self or outwardly destructive, do not deserve the outcome the author got.

I think a harder to answer question is, assuming there are not enough resources to help everyone in need (in a practical sense) should we prioritise the “more deserving” over the less.

Every human who is suffering deserves compassion, but should we deprioritise those who are suffering partially because of their own choices?

hn_throwaway_99•24m ago
There's a good saying, "People become homeless not when they run out of money, but when they run out of relationships."

This post reads to me like someone suffering from mental illness and/or personality disorder.

mettamage•1m ago
This is the first time I'm seeing that phrase. And I think it hits the nail on the head.
Razengan•2m ago
I assumed this was a support group or service for tech workers who ended up homeless, and upvoted for that, and then took back my upvote after reading these comments :')
ddtaylor•44m ago
Not a worse place to be homeless, except maybe Portland or Seattle.

Obviously more to this story when someones support network has collapsed to this degree, but at the same time people don't have great support networks anymore =/

lasre•17m ago
Could always be worse in Des Moines or Toronto
imiric•35m ago
I will never stop being dumbfounded by the contrast of people going through this kind of hardship being surrounded by some of the wealthiest people in the world. This exists in other parts of the world as well, of course, but it's particularly troubling that it exists in the tech epicenter.

There's something deeply disturbing about a society that allows this to happen, and yet it's something we've learned to accept and largely ignore for centuries. The promise of technology bringing forth universal prosperity is a lie promoted by those who have something to gain from that narrative. Yet we keep believing these people to this day.

karlgkk•30m ago
If you needed a bed for the night, do you have friends who would offer you their couch? Family? Cousins, parents, etc?
pierrekin•22m ago
In my society, absolutely, possibly literally more than a hundred people.

Where in the world is the answer no? Maybe if you’ve freshly immigrated to a new country or something?

That is a very scary thought, but it’s also scary for me to think that so many people live such isolated lives, it’s such a foreign concept to me culturally.

karlgkk•2m ago
The answer is no when you are severely mentally ill or have some other condition that causes you to be strongly detrimental to the people around you, such as addiction.

To the point where you have no friends. To the point where even your own parents have given up.

> Where in the world

Everywhere. You can’t comprehend it because you don’t know anyone like that, likely because the government you live in takes care of that problem for you.

> isolated lives

And by the way, the people in your culture in this situation are isolated too, from you. And that’s okay, and maybe good even. But you don’t know about them.

I don’t know what the right answer is. America is definitely not the right answer.

johnnyanmac•23m ago
>“I Can Hire Half the Working Class To Fight the Other Half“

Technically a satire quote criticizing the robber Baron it's credited for, but the sentiment is the same. Pay off a bourgeois and they'll fight against the the sympathetic bourgeois and proletariat happily. The elite don't even need to lift a finger.

pierrekin•32m ago
I get an incredible “narcism ick” from this writing. I wonder if other people feel the same way.

It’s so gross contrasted with the theme. The very first paragraphs start with a poor attempt to humble brag his”credentials” as not just a “normal” homeless person.

The self mythologising, the framing of negative things more like the weather than consequences of his choices.

The fact that despite privileged upbringing and working in tech in the valley he has no one willing to offer him a couch.

The most striking for me is the framing of his own grandmothers death as exceptional, proving his lineage is special.

Calling others NPCs, framing of stealing from stores as being the heroic action, even with approval from grandmother.

I feel this is getting redundant. I’d love to hear if anyone disagrees and what their thoughts are.

drhodes•13m ago
It seems clear to me that the author was experiencing an unmedicated psychotic disorder and gallantly owning the preposterous outlook he had at the time. So, not bragging, just plainly stating the sort of bigger than life delusions that come with the territory.
bkjlblh•23m ago
honest question: are there not enough shelters in SF? Are there not enough jobs? I heard it's dirty and unsafe at places, isn't government hiring street cleaners and police?
Abimelex•23m ago
What I probably never get: When somebody is capable and reasonable but jobless, why stay homeless in a city with one of the highest rents? Why not move to a cheaper place, get any job, even a bad paid job will pay a nice flat in a small town. It's always those large very expensive cities that have a huge amount of homelessness.

Don't get me wrong, I do not want to play clever here, it's just a honest question.

pierrekin•21m ago
I think the harsh truth in this case is that this person has qualities of their personality and their habits that make them incompatible with a conventional job.
pibaker•6m ago
San Francisco also has a climate you won't freeze to death in February, a government that won't bulldoze your tent, charities that give you free stuff. For better or worse. In this man's case, it is probably also the only place where he has a slimmer of personal connections left that may still lend a helping hand.

Also, by the time he is already homeless homeless, he is likely no longer able to afford the fixed costs of a move. He is not getting an apartment even in small town USA if he can't put down a deposit. He is not even getting there without money to pay for the trip. He'll also likely need a car to hold any job which is another major cost.

Eisenstein•6m ago
> When somebody is capable and reasonable but jobless

I'm not sure what your qualifications for 'reasonable' and 'capable' are, but without a support system those things are difficult to prove such that you can utilize them properly.

Let's do a thought experiment. Imagine have been evicted from your home and have no job. You have no car, no phone, no ID, no money, no credit or bank account. All of the people you know who would give you money or a place to stay or a reference have disappeared and cannot be reached. What do you do?

You could find a cash job as a dishwasher or something similar. If you work nights you can sleep in the library on in other public places. But where do you put your things? Spare clothes, toiletries, books, everything you might need to feel comfortable or to look decent has to be carried on your person, and even then is liable to become lost or stolen. How do you shower? Every restroom experience is using a public one. You can't cook meals, so you have to find free ones or buy them.

Hopefully what you got out of that is that access to things that you and I take for granted is a really big deal to someone without a home, and cities like San Francisco make many of those things difficult instead of impossible.

NinjaTrance•21m ago
I'm not sure if this is real account or AI slop -- possibly a mix of both.

But the US is a f*cking dystopia at this point.

How come the richest country of the world - the model of capitalism - allows so many of their citizens go homeless?

It's mindblowing.

IsTom•14m ago
> the model of capitalism

They've got capital, but I'd argue that they're long way from model capitalism since some time. There's both over- (regulatory capture) and under regulation (consumer and environment protection) that goes against this and companies have enough sway to influence the law and consequently the market. Free market in the original sense of "free from all forms of economic privilege, monopolies and artificial scarcities" is not even a goal anymore.

rippeltippel•19m ago
> The morning crew felt like NPCs (for those older folks, an NPC is a character in a video game that is scripted or run by AI).

For those older folks, an NPC is a character in an adventure that is scripted or run by the Dungeon Master.

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