The actual report points to about 60-80 possible instances of doctors not putting in the maximum amount of effort to save a life over a period of 20-30 years.
Not exactly systemic like people parrot. Sorta like how people endlessly repeated "social credit score" despite most Chinese acknowledging it barely existed for a majority of the population.
Why go on a witch hunt to hold a 19 year old responsible, when meanwhile Mark “they trust me dumbfucks” Zuckerberg is left off the hook for his teenage improprieties?
These people are more than useful rubes. They actively committed unethical (if not illegal) acts.
And a lot of people on HN were enthusiastically supportive of what they were doing. Even the illegal stuff. Especially the illegal stuff. Odd how back then DOGE were "bold, brilliant patriots doing what was necessary to cut government waste and drain the swamp" and now they're innocent naive babes who were just in over their heads.
I dunno, I feel like the kid who used ChatGPT to decide to cut funding to a program such that tens of thousands of people now die deserves some social criticism. People should experience shame when entering in to such a project.
A kid who breaks into a car to steal a backpack gets railroaded into prison. That's orders of magnitude less harmful to society than what these guys did.
tokyobreakfast•2h ago
The only possible reasons to publish this are to encourage harassment of the employees involved, or manufacture more culture war flamebait.
righthand•1h ago
palmotea•1h ago
Eh, kinda sorta. Be careful throwing around terms like "scum people."
A lot of the DOGE people were basically immature children. IIRC, a lot of business like younger employees, because they lack maturity and can be eager to please, so they'll enthusiastically embrace the bullshit you feed them. If anyone's scum, it was the older people leading DOGE who consciously took advantage of the immaturity readily available on twitter.
Some of those guys will almost certainly grow out of it.
krapp•1h ago
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tombert•1h ago
I get a little annoyed at this reasoning because I remember at one point when Donald Trump Jr. did something idiotic in 2017, they were acting like he was "just a dumb kid" as like a 37 year old man. I'm younger than that now, and if I committed a crime I'd still get charged as an adult.
MSFT_Edging•1h ago
We send teenagers to prison for less societal damage. They don't get an opportunity to "grow out of it". I don't know why these teenagers should get more benefit of the doubt.
atmavatar•19m ago
For the benefit of those outside the US: when I was growing up, and we constantly had police officers talk to us in school as part of the ill-fated DARE "just say no" campaign, the next most common phrase we heard was "tried as an adult".
i.e., if you were 14 or older, you couldn't drink, vote, or even get a learner's permit to drive a motor vehicle, and you were probably flooded with all kinds of hormones making it even more more difficult to regulate yourself, but you'd be put in prison with adults rather than go to juvenile hall if you were ever convicted of a crime, and any felonies would stay on your record permanently, essentially ending any hope you'd have at a normal life.
While I have some sympathy for the youngest members of DOGE, they are actually old enough to be legal adults, and I would point out that their youthful naïveté and the "but they're just kids" response to any attempts at holding them accountable is precisely why they were chosen for their roles.
tokyobreakfast•1h ago
> scum people trying to destroy democracy and government services
No need for hyperbolics, no one will take you seriously.
lamasery•1h ago
> No need for hyperbolics, no one will take you seriously.
Everything but "scum" was just a statement of fact, though? I guess maybe people trying to wreck government services and subvert democracy might not qualify as "scum people" to everyone.
righthand•1h ago
I dont use Google so not a public utility for me. Maybe a public cess pool operated by scum?
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krapp•1h ago
* sorry "special operation"