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Russia is starting to lose ground in Ukraine

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2026/05/17/russia-is-starting-to-lose-ground-in-ukraine
25•giuliomagnifico•1h ago

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giuliomagnifico•1h ago
Without paywall: https://archive.ph/2026.05.18-115301/https://www.economist.c...
Bender•1h ago
If Russia is truly losing ground and if they see this as an existential threat could this possibly lead to the use of nukes?
postepowanieadm•58m ago
No.
usui•56m ago
Probably more nuke threats at least though?
SanjayMehta•56m ago
Russia can obliterate every European HQ with conventional weapons.

Oreshnik alone could decapitate the EU in under 30 minutes.

pjc50•51m ago
The EU does have air defences and QRA. Eastern Europe is more at risk from this. And then the question people keep failing to ask: "now what"? Russia is then fully at war with Europe and an open field for air strikes.
SanjayMehta•50m ago
What AD? Patriot has shown itself to be incapable of defending itself, leave alone a capital city.
pjc50•43m ago
UK deploys Star Streak for protecting critical locations. There was some mild controversy over this being deployed for the Olympics.
egorfine•28m ago
Please google what is Oreshnik and what this weapon is capable of.

Spoiler: it's absolutely useless. Russia does have great weapons that CAN hurt a lot, but Oreshnik is not one of them.

pjc50•53m ago
I am increasingly skeptical as to whether the nukes would actually work if tried, given some of the failures of the start of the Russian campaign, and I suspect they also have that concern. If you're brandishing a gun to threaten people and it goes "click" rather than "bang", suddenly your situation collapses.

Which means there's an intermediate step: carrying out an above ground nuclear test. This obviously violates the Test Ban Treaty, but is a lower step than just blowing away Kyiv.

Zigurd•46m ago
Uranium and plutonium bombs can tolerate a lot of neglect if conservatively engineered. Even a dud H bomb would make quite a mess and kill a lot of people if exploded over a city.
DANmode•26m ago
EMP effects alone.
BadBadJellyBean•52m ago
Everything could lead to nukes with Russia. There is no "this far and no closer or I will use nukes". They will or won't use them at their own discretion.

Ukraine has long decided that they will not be deterred by the threat of nuclear bombs. They seem to be determined to win back the territory that they have lost or at least put themselves into a better bargaining position.

giwook•27m ago
It is not an existential threat. Ukraine simply does not have the manpower to overtake a country that is many multiples larger and more populous than them.

And territorial expansion and conquest of neighboring countries is Russia's MO, not Ukraine's.

Der_Einzige•23m ago
If I and everyone I love have to die in WW3 just to know that Putin/his Vatnik allies also died horribly fiery deaths, it will have been worth it.
sameers•58m ago
https://archive.ph/QEbgT
Zigurd•54m ago
Yet another way in which the US has bungled an overseas conflict. The best time to have strongly supported Ukraine was in the past couple of years leading up to this outcome. Now, if Trump somehow can stop gazing lovingly into Putin's eyes, it will be seen as getting on the bandwagon.
arvid-lind•52m ago
He admires autocrats and aspires to be one, in addition to aligning the US with Russian interests. You think he will get on the Ukraine/NATO bandwagon?
Zigurd•50m ago
Maybe. Probably late. Transparently lacking credibility. But he'll make a loud noise about it.
SanjayMehta•48m ago
Which conflict has the US won in the last 25 years? Strike that: 50 years?

There's a strong case that they didn't even defeat the nazis, that was done by the Soviets.

mathgeek•14m ago
> There's a strong case that they didn't even defeat the nazis, that was done by the Soviets.

With Lend-Lease equipment. No matter what way you cut it, multiple nations defeated the Nazis together.

AnimalMuppet•1m ago
What conflicts has the US won? Panama. Grenada. Kosovo. Iraq. The latter was a serious regional power, not a lightweight.

The Soviet Union defeated the Nazis with US materiel. Without that, they probably don't get it done.

And even if what you said were true, the US still should have supported Ukraine more than it did, and should do so now.

squidbeak•19m ago
This was one of the rare cases it would have been easier and more in character if the US had just done the right thing. But no.

First Biden's timidity and dithering over arms, which looks ridiculous today and led to so much needless difficulty and suffering for Ukraine. And then Trump, quite clearly favouring Putin and (obscenely) shaking down Ukraine at its most vulnerable point with the 'mineral deal'.

It's hard to imagine any earlier US administration not backing Ukraine to the hilt - pouring in advanced arms, strangling Russia with much harder sanctions, maybe even patrolling the skies of western Ukraine. The chance to take down the worst sort of nationalist tyrant, and one of the world's nastiest troublemakers? And one of the USA's longest standing enemy countries to boot? What President before these last two wouldn't have jumped at it?

llm_nerd•49m ago
Ukraine is a legitimately impressive country, and at this point it would be rational for NATO to kick the US out and add Ukraine in its place. Close all of those US bases throughout Europe that are largely used to bomb various Middle Eastern nations.

This isn't hyperbole. The US has descended to being a corrupt, busted idiocracy that is engaging in wanton piracy and terrorism, and there is zero indication this will change. It crosses both sides of the aisle, and Americans have decided this is ay okay. This can't simply be waited out.

Ukraine is innovative, capable and brave.

And a number of NATO members need to rapidly become nuclear capable, understanding that some of those weapons need to be aimed at former allies.

pjc50•38m ago
> And a number of NATO members need to rapidly become nuclear capable

I don't think we should cheer the end of non-proliferation in the long run.

llm_nerd•34m ago
How does my post in any way "cheer" the end of non-proliferation? It is a simple statement of fact that there have been geopolitical changes that demand nuclear armaments for any sovereign nation that wants to remain so. There was a detente that is gone, and it is very much every nation for itself.

There are a dozen+ nuclear capable -- almost overnight -- nations, for whom the inputs have dramatically and irreversibly changed. These nations will, with utter certainty, go from non-nuclear one day to nuclear-armed the next.

atmavatar•26m ago
> It crosses both sides of the aisle, and Americans have decided this is ay okay.

What gives you this impression?

imglorp•47m ago
I'm not at all clear on what Putin gains with expansion. Russia has way more land than they need. Their population has been flat since the 80s. Their military is already depleted and skeletal. Anyone who's played Diplomacy understands that if you spread too thin as you expand into your neighbors, they will keep taking back your gains like we see here. Complete occupation is clearly out of the question at this point, they're going to keep fighting over a stolen sliver here and there. No ego has been satisfied here, nor will it be.
pjc50•40m ago
On the other hand, it is extremely Russian to not surrender no matter how badly it is going and regardless of the cost in human life. Leningrad, Stalingrad, even burning Moscow to keep it from Napoleon. For nationalist purposes, it doesn't matter if the objective is worthless or unachievable.

Like so many other situations, we have to wait for him to die.

NordStreamYacht•36m ago
Wait for whom to die?
DANmode•29m ago
Only one person was mentioned in this thread.
aworks•25m ago
I hope Peter Zeihan lives a long life.
DANmode•21m ago
That’s a different thread

that didn’t even exist when the comment you’re replying to was posted.

So…

Find something better to do.

I’m going to.

everdrive•28m ago
According to Peter Zeihan, it's not so much that Russia needs more _land_ but that its current land is difficult to defend militarily given the facts of its geography. I'm not necessarily defending Zeihan's view, but simply claiming that there is some analysis which suggests there's a strategic benefit for Russia here. (or perhaps there would have been back when they thought the war would be easy) And let's also not forget the importance of Crimea with regard to Black Sea shipping. It's also the case the the "Kievan Rus" has quite a bit of historical and cultural importance to some in Russia.

Now to be clear I'm completely opposed to the war in Ukraine, and I'm quite happy to see Russia getting pushed back. My hope would be that Ukraine takes back all of its remaining territory. But, I think there are at least some justifications that could have made sense for someone who thought the war would be easy, and who did not care about the human cost either side would bear.

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