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Air France and Airbus found guilty of manslaughter over 2009 plane crash

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd2qmdvmq6o
27•baal80spam•7h ago

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abrowne•2h ago
Hearing this in the news reminded me of William Langewiesche's great piece in vanity fair about the cause: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/10/air-france-...
jbverschoor•1h ago
Stark contrast between Boeing (US) never been guilty of anything vs Airbus (EU)
readthenotes1•36m ago
They have, just not criminal penalties. No one will go to prison. The nearly $19 billion in losses to the value in Boeing is chump change ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings

burnt-resistor•1h ago
What portion of blame does the pilot who yanks back on and holds the side stick without understanding the situation deserve? This is flying 101.

How poorly trained in basic airmanship were they and how were they allowed to be pilots? That's the blame component for AF.

wolvoleo•58m ago
It is indeed very sad that all they had to do is let go of that stick for a moment.
wolvoleo•1h ago
Hmm I don't think it's as black and white as just blaming airbus. The pilots literally flew a perfectly flying plane straight into the ocean. And they had plenty of time to understand what was going on. But they didn't. They didn't willingly do it and the system misguided them but that wasn't the only factor.

I agree airbus shares the blame but it's not the only one. The pilots should have realised the situation they were in, their training should have been better, there were a lot of factors.

Admiral cloudberg has a good deep dive on it. https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-long-way-down-the-cr...

marcosdumay•13m ago
There were other near accidents before due to the exact same problem, the problem was well understood, and the changes needed to solve it was known.

Air France didn't implement them and Airbus didn't require them because of money. They thought the chance of it causing a real accident was low and decided to risk it. Despite there being known near accidents already.

And yes, "[the pilots] training should have been better" is part of the things that put both companies at fault. It's not the pilots fault that their training didn't cover it.

mrnicegu•8m ago
Yes, an autonomous plane would have worked so much better. Can’t wait for AI to replace stupid apes.
Cider9986•33m ago
My cousin was one of the pilots. I heard he was a great guy, but I never got to meet him.
flightsteward1•17m ago
RIP
flightsteward1•18m ago
I remember reading about this 10-15 years ago. How is it possible that this almost took decades to resolve?
fithisux•14m ago
Welcome to Greek style justice.
MichaelZuo•8m ago
The Greeks really wallow in 17 year long court cases?

That seems a bit far fetched.

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