Regular people use keyboard covers?? I don't think I've ever seen that. I have only seen them on machines that are ruggedized for harsh environments or keyboards that are in public areas for public use.
monkeymagick•2d ago
Ruggedized for harsh environments? looks at my messy desk Yup.
hjkl0•1h ago
> I have only seen them on machines that are ruggedized for harsh environment
FWIW, you can also see them used for switching to DVORAK and other alternative layouts.
And for adding a second writing script to a keyboard with Latin-only labels.
ktallett•59m ago
It is annoying mac don't sell Dvorak or Neo2 layouts now.
Arainach•56m ago
You are dramatically underestimating the cost of manufacturing, stocking, and distributing an entirely different SKU and probably also dramatically overestimating the number of users of alternative keyboard layouts in the world.
Put another way: I am absolutely certain that more users would get a Mac with a Dvorak layout by mistake and want to return it than would actually purchase and keep one.
BigJono•48m ago
Plus most people that use Dvorak probably don't give a shit at this point because they've been touch typing on qwerty or blank keyboards for their whole life. I'm not sure it'd even be a selling point for me.
Groxx•34m ago
Given how many other laptop vendors do this and don't charge extra for it, I think you might be over-estimating it somewhat.
Plus Apple already does this for 20(+?) languages, some of which have difference shapes, which for a macbook means different frame milling. One more letter arrangement isn't much.
_thisdot•6m ago
Which other manufacturers offer this? I went looking for Dell, HP, and Lenovo laptops with Dvorak and couldn't find any. Even Framework or System76 doesn't have one in offer. The separate keyboard sold by System76 doesn't offer it in Dvorak or Colemak. It's difficult to even find MX profile keycaps for any alternative layouts in my experience.
Plus we're overestimating the number of users of alternative keyboard users in the world. There's maybe a few hundred thousands of us. Compared to the millions of speakers these 20+ languages have.
_thisdot•_thisdot•31m ago
Using a keyboard cover when learning a new layout is a bad idea in my experience. Better to have a layout map printed out next to your monitor. The idea is to look at the keyboard as little as possible
ktallett•1h ago
I always thought keyboard covers on macs were not realistic unless removed everytime as there is not enough of a gap between screen and keyboard. However, I found on macs the keys get damaged very easily from oils, far more so than other laptops. I see the need for one, but it does damage the typing experience somewhat.
justinc8687•47m ago
I've found the screen cover to be almost essential. I had 2 MacBooks where the screen was ruined by somehow making contact with whatever on the keys. Not sure how it's possible but the first thing I do now after buying a MacBook is put a glass screen cover over it.
Keyboard covers are pretty popular in dry, dusty areas. Like cities like New Delhi, Cairo, etc. A good rule of thumb: if you go outside and can easily spot dust on tree leaves, you'll probably want a keyboard cover.
Groxx•35m ago
I really can't stand the typing-feel of covers. Any of them.
I would MUCH rather buy and use a cheap external keyboard that can be trivially disassembled to clean. Plus then you get to sit back further, and not look down at the screen as much. Win/win as far as I can tell.
34m ago
It really is not. The people who need to look at keyboards are typing in QWERTY anyway. And the people who type in alternative layouts aren't looking at their keyboards. The few keys that you need to look at (function keys up at the top maybe), don't really change positions between layouts.
JohnFen•2d ago
monkeymagick•2d ago
hjkl0•1h ago
FWIW, you can also see them used for switching to DVORAK and other alternative layouts.
And for adding a second writing script to a keyboard with Latin-only labels.
ktallett•59m ago
Arainach•56m ago
Put another way: I am absolutely certain that more users would get a Mac with a Dvorak layout by mistake and want to return it than would actually purchase and keep one.
BigJono•48m ago
Groxx•34m ago
Plus Apple already does this for 20(+?) languages, some of which have difference shapes, which for a macbook means different frame milling. One more letter arrangement isn't much.
_thisdot•6m ago
Plus we're overestimating the number of users of alternative keyboard users in the world. There's maybe a few hundred thousands of us. Compared to the millions of speakers these 20+ languages have.
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_thisdot•31m ago