Edit - good information on this here: https://news.bgov.com/environment-and-energy/data-centers-us...
The "Consumptive Use vs. Withdrawals" section discusses the trouble with using withdrawal as a meaningful data point.
California alone has about half a million acres of rice cultivation.
But big scary numbers are big and scary.
I am not kidding
They have endless cheap or even free power from the months/years of offgassing burning off methane, it can be seen from space
* https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/01/16/169511949/a...
And the water (and air) is already so toxically polluted from the fracking that no-one can live near or drink that water or they will get sick
It's a perfect match, again not kidding
Datacenters only need a few people to run it and they can live in highly filtered rooms like hospitals or cleanrooms, heck with bots+ai they won't even need people to run them eventually
Generalizations unfortunately serve the subtle purpose of many people who are pro or anti datacenter, ironically while they use datacenters to write articles and use datacenters to post on social media, as well as consume video and nearly anything else.
For example the style and approaches datacenters built in desert like regions, which can be in the US, often misinform the overall understanding and conversation in this space.
Direct and indirect water use is an issue in many areas, its peculiar why it's being brought up when it's not comparing datacenters as a percentage of overall water use in an area.
- If you're going to attribute water use via electricity to data centers you need to be fair and apply it to the rest of the electricity users. And in the end, you're just raising everyone's baseline water consumption in proportion to their electricity use. Why not leave the baseline increase out and leave water use attributed at the industry level (datacenters vs coal plants vs solar plants vs ...)?
- Different kinds of electrical generation plants use different amounts of water. To get an accurate number for an electricity consumer you're backing out the mix of generation sources in your model. You've introduced complexity to your model and reduced the precision of the answers your model gives when you could just get simpler and better answers leaving it at the industry level.
- Suppose we had a place with genuinely scarce water. There is some level of water draw that's unsustainable; you can never cross that level because it'll damage the environment. If there's ever a risk of hitting that limit you're interested in all users of water (so you can correctly model how much draw happens when XYZ business or person leaves the state) pushing you back to direct attribution at the industry level. If you can't model the effects of each choice correctly how do you know the choice you made will fix the problem?
I’d be fine seeing that compared to the water used by the rest of the normal electricity generation baseline I use.
Do the facts matter? If the water issue is “fake” or overblown, but it’s resonating with voters who are packing town halls and ultimately effecting the change you want (a broad slowdown in the construction of new compute) is that a problem? Congress isn’t going to get off its ass. There is momentum here. Who actually cares if people are making misinformed choices if the outcome is correct? Isn’t this how literally all politics works?
(If you think the outcome is not correct, that’s a different debate entirely.)
The only thing an article like this tells you is that the author has an ax to grind.
CodingJeebus•1h ago
People want to compare this to the pre-industrial rail buildouts, and sure there are some parallels, but I'd be curious to know if that period had the widespread political resentment towards to infrastructure construction that we're seeing today. Because I can also envision a scenario in which the capacity just doesn't get built since being pro-data center is becoming a political death sentence. And what happens then?
0: https://www.businessinsider.com/greg-abbott-texas-data-cente...
chucksta•58m ago