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A misalignment of AI in mathematics

https://mathandai.org/
486•meredydd•5h ago•552 comments

I spent $220 on Google app ads and 60% of the installs were robots

https://dayzlegame.com/blog/google-ads-bot-farm/
174•nickabe•4h ago•81 comments

GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

https://github.com/GrapheneOS/Messaging/releases/tag/13
152•microtonal•4h ago•87 comments

A Design Space Exploration of Async/Await

https://cel.cs.brown.edu/blog/design-space-async-await/
75•wcrichton•2d ago•14 comments

Project Blinkenlights

https://blinkenlights.de/en/
13•doener•35m ago•6 comments

Show HN: ResolveHQ – A Helpdesk Built on Cloudflare Workers, D1, R2 and Queues

https://github.com/mirza-rizvi/ResolveHQ
8•mirza_rizvi•1h ago•1 comments

Litelm: LiteLLM Without the Bloat

https://github.com/kennethwolters/litelm
78•kennethwolters•4h ago•27 comments

Λ Snap – An inviting programming language for kids and adults for CS study

https://snap.berkeley.edu/
92•dr_kiszonka•5h ago•50 comments

AlphaGenome maps 9B DNA variants

https://spectrum.ieee.org/alphagenome-atlas
55•ltononro•2d ago•5 comments

GPT-6 built this earth exploration site in 5 prompts

https://earth.ethanplus.ai/
21•ethanplusai•1h ago•30 comments

The EPA is planning to scrap public review rules for data center pollution

https://capitalbnews.org/data-centers-permit-rules-epa/
273•doener•4h ago•184 comments

Rune is now open source

https://rune.build/blog/rune-is-now-open-source
116•ernestrc•7h ago•47 comments

I've operated petabyte-scale ClickHouse clusters for 5 years

https://www.tinybird.co/blog/what-i-learned-operating-clickhouse
163•adastral•4d ago•60 comments

So you want to use OpenRouter?

https://mmoustafa.com/blog/so-you-want-to-use-openrouter/
675•player85•2d ago•185 comments

Mind-altering drugs played key role in rise of Andean civilization

https://www.science.org/content/article/mind-altering-drugs-played-key-role-rise-andean-civilization
80•geneticdrifts•5h ago•59 comments

Txt: A fast, keyboard-driven terminal text editor for engineers

https://txt.hellman.io/
17•jlundberg•3h ago•15 comments

Logo Programming Language

https://el.media.mit.edu/logo-foundation/what_is_logo/logo_programming.html
226•azhenley•2d ago•94 comments

Zep AI (YC W24) Is Hiring a Head of Forward Deployed Engineering

https://www.getzep.com/careers/
1•roseway4•5h ago

118M Queries per Second on Neki

https://planetscale.com/blog/118-million-queries-per-second-on-neki
83•joshmgross•6h ago•38 comments

Show HN: Godot and Rust based multiplexer (terminal panes and more)

https://github.com/godot-pty/gpty
71•1nv1n•6h ago•38 comments

Claude is only available to people over 18 years

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15171100-age-assurance-on-claude
535•Muhammad523•12h ago•576 comments

There is no 10x RBAC

https://infisical.com/blog/folder-based-rbac
4•FinnLobsien•2d ago•0 comments

RTK reports token savings, but our cost benchmarks disagree

https://quesma.com/blog/does-rtk-make-ai-coding-cheaper/
140•michalwarda•11h ago•68 comments

From Front Panel to Program: Thinking Like a PDP-8

https://pikuma.com/blog/pdp-8-minicomputer
13•atan2•1d ago•2 comments

Show HN: Bodily Oddities

https://vester.si/bodily-oddities/
141•vesterde•1d ago•117 comments

CIA Releases President's Daily Briefs in Commemoration of 9/11

https://www.cia.gov/stories/story/cia-releases-presidents-daily-briefs-in-commemoration-of-the-25...
76•stmw•4h ago•48 comments

Stop making swap partitions—use swap files instead

https://gist.github.com/joshenders/c4960cec9c63a7b7d68ffa9543356c43
106•jenders•3d ago•171 comments

Global Glacier Extinction Explorer

https://glacierextinction.com
146•guillego•6h ago•48 comments

How the Chorleywood Bread Process transformed British bread

https://edconway.substack.com/p/the-little-holes-in-your-bread-are
93•baud147258•3d ago•92 comments

Measuring the sloppiness of code

https://earendil.com/posts/measuring-code-sloppiness/
230•doppp•9h ago•218 comments
Open in hackernews

ElevenLabs Music v2.5

https://elevenmusic.io/blog/introducing-music-v2-5
52•sigvef•1h ago

Comments

gorgoiler•1h ago
Gosh, the voice singing “unlimited downloads!” but the underlying text saying “400 per day” sure hit hard. As if generative AI needed more publicity for its “we are literally just making stuff up” approach to getting stuff done.

Cool presentation, but who signed off on this?

andrewstuart2•1h ago
My favorite was right before that.

Text: You have rights to what you make.

Music: You own what you make.

written-beyond•1h ago
I thought that was on purpose...
DrewADesign•1h ago
> As if generative AI needed more publicity for its “we are literally just making stuff up” approach to getting stuff done.

To be fair, there are technical considerations. Like, technically, nobody in charge of these companies gives a shit about misleading people.

embedding-shape•1h ago
I don't think this could be a model issue with not following properly (I hope for the sake of ElevenLabs), otherwise this would the most botched model release we've seen so far. Their main product release with a demo and not a single person listened to/read that demo and noticed the difference?!

Something must have happened here, miscommunication between departments so the blog post authors/owners and whoever made the actual music generation missed some update in-between when they made this and the release. If it's truly that the model chose not to follow passed lyrics/hallucination, and they still released this, I'd be lost for words.

Rochus•1h ago
Great sound quality, definitely better than Suno 5 and 6. It let me download a WAV file which goes unfiltered up to 20kHz (Suno goes to ~15kHz and has more artefacts).

Here is my first attempt: http://rochus-keller.ch/Diverses/Polyphonic_Threshold_1.mp3

And here are some Suno v5 tracks with the same prompt for comparison: https://rochus-keller.ch/?p=1428

All in all, Suno still has much better musicality (or at least had in version 5), but the sound quality of elevenmusic is clearly better.

aabhay•1h ago
This probably corresponds to compute. ElevenLabs can burn compute for now, Suno can’t.
Rochus•1h ago
They also seem to use a different encoding scheme which has more bandwidth and less artefacts up front. If you download a WAV from Suno, you still essentially have MP3 quality, just serialized to a WAV file. The elevenlabs WAV has full audio bandwidth instead and I checked frequency sections with a parametric EQ and noticed that e.g. the cymbals go high up in spectrum (which is not obvious in the given sample song where middle and bass frequencies dominate); with a bit of mastering the result is much better, but I posted the original here. I can also upload the WAV file if needed.
scosman•1h ago
highly recommend clicking "Listen to this blog post". Not what I was expecting...
aabhay•1h ago
The music shows the post before legal got to put their hands on it lmao..
crazysim•1h ago
It's interesting to see there are text differences between the audio and the blog post. At the point where it vocalizes unlimited downloads by Plus users, the text says 400. I wonder if that's hallucination or a post-music-generation edit.
lellow•1h ago
Completely agree! First time seeing something like this.
claaams•1h ago
Incredibly depressing
maxdo•1h ago
Why? I use to work as a dj 15 years ago , this is just a dream !
dwb•5m ago
Any DJ playing this shit deserves to have all their equipment taken from them.
looksjjhg•1h ago
The demo is actually pretty good
aabhay•1h ago
Note that ElevenLabs claims the right to train on any data you upload to the service, such as editing a song you made etc.

> (d) License to Your Content and NILV. You hereby grant to ElevenLabs a license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, make available, communicate to the public, publicly perform, display, and use your Uploaded Music and Input (including your name, image, likeness, voice rights and other indicia of your persona that may be embodied in your Uploaded Music or Input (collectively, “NILV”)) and your Output, in each case, to provide the Services (including the trust and safety features therein), to promote and improve the Services, and to develop and improve our other services and products. Such license shall be…

cypherpunks01•1h ago
Are people asking for this to exist? There isn't a big enough pool of talented humans willing to work for low pay, widely available cheap recording gear and free musical educational material, that music needs to be made even cheaper and soullessly?

I'm not against some AI uses, I use LLMs myself where it makes sense, but music is one of the things that we were told AI would free up all our time to do!!

redox99•1h ago
This is orders of magnitude cheaper and faster than paying for a song to be created from scratch by a human.
sho_hn•1h ago
Ouch, yes. One time I commissioned a musician I had befriended to make a piano arrangement of a favorite song to be played at our wedding. The result was great, but it sure wasn't cheap, even if reasonable.

I'd still do this again however, because I really enjoyed the feeling of the community of people contributing our wedding and all the little stories attached. "I prompted ElevenLabs for this!" wouldn't be a memory; a fellow human spending some hours of their life on making this for us and what lead to it is.

There's often value in the provenance of things.

sho_hn•1h ago
> Are people asking for this to exist? There isn't a big enough pool of talented humans willing to work for low pay, that music needs to be made even cheaper and soullessly?

Hiring someone is work and takes effort, and can take a few tries. People, especially solo creators, generally don't want to bother, and are excited at what they can now do without requiring people to fill in skills they haven't acquired. This ironically goes for creatives as well!

I think it's been telling past week, when Astra demonstrated a step change in 3D modeling/art abilities. I have a few friends who are indie game devs, and who had been excited about AI because it allows them to create without requiring programmers all of a sudden. And they reacted with dismay to Astra - like what many programmers were feeling two years ago. But previously they had not quite been able to empathize and were in no way hiding their enthusiasm about making games without being handicapped by programmer inavailability.

This won't replace pop stars; those remain analog because they sell better. This is why South Korea for example went all-in on the idol system of kpop: South Korea had pervasive broadband before most other markets, so when MP3 came along physical album sales crashed over night. Music companies shifted to the most analog product they could think of: People. (I'm almost literally quoting J.Y. Park.)

It might well replace the session musician you hire to sing the demo tape that's delivered to those pop stars to model their performance on, though.

The moral debate also isn't entirely new to music production, with software emulations having replaced many physical instruments and having put plenty of instrument or gear makers out of work.

Counter-example: This is pre-AI, but I also have a friend who runs a very successful small company in a niche he's all but cornered. When he started he needed a programmer, and he found this almost-no-cost kid working from his parents' home in a small village in Argentina on a platform like Fiverr or something. It worked out so well he offered to make him a 50% partner, and now they're both incredibly well off and the kid, now in his 30s, is the richest man in his village. This could be you, but chances are you'll give the money to Sama or ElevenLabs because it's the path of least resistance.

whimblepop•1h ago
I chose to listen to the blog post instead of just reading it. I don't know how much if it is just the idea of AI-generated music for me, but the listening experience was extremely repulsive.
kridsdale3•1h ago
I hate that this is actually perfectly listenable as background coding music I don't focus on.
maxdo•1h ago
What a dream for creation , I already see my daughter in the future will create her own album just for specific event or party .

It’s almost like dj but now you’re not just picking tracks of a similar theme , you choose a theme , and the rest of the music bands . Wow .

BrokenCogs•1h ago
Hugged to death
verytrivial•1h ago
If only ...
daemonologist•56m ago
Yeah, the blog post itself loads for me but everything else is really struggling.
system2•1h ago
>ElevenLabs recently announced a multi-year strategic agreement with Universal Music Group (UMG) spanning licensing and product development. This agreement is separate from Music v2.5.

I am more interested in knowing what this will bring in the future. This is bigger than their 2.5 or whatever version.

snovymgodym•1h ago
Impressive technology I guess, but god things are trending in such a soulless direction.
tidbeck•1h ago
Side note: a bit funny they launched ”Muse, a conversational co-writer for ElevenMusic” August 27[1] and Facebook launched ”Muse: The World’s First Personal AI Agent” September 8[2]

Naming is hard!

[1]https://elevenmusic.io/blog/introducing-muse [2]https://about.fb.com/news/2026/09/introducing-muse-personal-...

embedding-shape•59m ago
The list of "Muse"s keep growing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse_(disambiguation)
vegancap•1h ago
Thanks, I hate it
msub2•55m ago
Currently not getting any kind of response on their UI when attempting to create something. No console messages or network requests are triggered when clicking the "Create" button.
devinprater•39m ago
I'll be much more interested when they combine this, ElevenReader, and their soundscapes, into audio dramas on-demand. I'd pay a good $20-30 per month for that.
louisjoejordan•5m ago
Same here - the pieces exist & our music model can now do voice + sfx + music in a single generation (5 min limit so these were chained together to form longer pieces).

I made some here with our last model: https://elevenmusic.io/artists/elevenmusic-spaces

louisjoejordan•38m ago
I'm an engineer on elevenmusic and we are working hard to restore availability (which has been sporadic over the last 10 minutes). We're working very hard behind the scenes to bring it back online.
d3Xt3r•25m ago
Quick question, is it possible to create/extend tracks longer than 5 minutes, or is that a hard limit?
6thbit•28m ago
First got a "Could not start playback".

Then I got the music, which promises Unlimited lossless downloads for Pro tier, whereas the text says only 400 per month! Isn't this false advertising?

luckydata•1h ago
this is for things like elevator and lobby music, background music for infomercials etc... it's simply not economically plausible to hire a person, plus it's a hassle, and royalty free libraries are a hassle to use.
tehlike•1h ago
I have a friend who came to me and said "i found a new french musician/singer that i really liked on <some platform>. Her voice is really good". and a day or two later he said "god dammit, it turned out to be AI"

So yes, there'll be demand, no people won't often know it.

howunfortunate•1h ago
Yes. I'm having fun making an indie game, which will most likely never see the light of day, let alone profit. I'd definitely pay cents to dollars to have fitting background music. There's no chance I'd pay for a human musician.
embedding-shape•1h ago
> There's no chance I'd pay for a human musician.

Why not? The experience of working with a freelancer for a piece of creative art is more or less like prompting except they take longer to reply, understand better most of the time, write/spell worse, but produce way better results, especially after two/three iterations ("prompts").

redox99•1h ago
The two times I tried to use fiverr I literally got ghosted.
meric_•1h ago
Their $ per mtok is quite high though for an indie project with no roi
sho_hn•1h ago
I occasionally commision visual art from young artists/students via Krita's web forum, and what I find to be true is that if I had AI do the same art, it would just be exactly what I ask the AI to do or iterate toward (I'm detail-oriented enough, and iteration rounds are cheaper and more plenty). If I ask a human instead, I get the somewhat-unpredictable input of another creative mind besides my own brain, and often this sums up to something greater.

It really depends on what you want/need, augment/extrapolate your own creativity with AI tools, or invite someone else's.

The AI debate is for now most often centered on whether AI is capable of replacing individuals, but replacing the results you get when you put multiple humans together is another dimension entirely.

embedding-shape•1h ago
Yes, you raise a really good point too! The best collaborators I've worked with, has pushed back on what I've said and we got rolling with coming up with how it should be together, they leverage their experience and creativity, and they're good at teasing out what the client (me) actually wants and can combine it all.
ronsor•58m ago
That often costs a fair bit of money for an indie game that won't make any.
bckr•51m ago
I’ve had poor luck working with freelancers. Some good luck for the occasional drawing. But good help is hard to find.
embedding-shape•50m ago
It again works like LLMs, you gotta try a few and see which one works out for your use cases and tasks, some are better at some things, others not. Also, both quality and style of communication differs a lot, worth trying to figure out if that basically matches first, then quickly move on if it doesn't.
mlboss•46m ago
What if there is no potential of the game making any money ? I am sure if a musician wants to create cover art they will give AI image generator a first pass.
maxdo•1h ago
Think of it as an extension of a dj . Instead of downloading the music , you refer , bend , and create your own . The quality of entire electronic music will balloon due to this .
embedding-shape•1h ago
I don't understand how something can "balloon" something like electronic music when it's a generator of mediocrity, it doesn't expand and "come up" with things, it uses what it knows to extract, condense and generalize patterns, it gets bland, and nothing so far I've heard been innovative and new.

But, I'm generally open minded to new things, and I won't claim I hold some absolute truths here, so if anyone heard anything generated that feels like it really pushes some horizon and actually innovates, creates something new or similar, please link it so I could hear it too and I promise I'll hear it with an open mind! :)

CuriouslyC•1h ago
I don't care about AI bands and wouldn't listen to the music by itself for pleasure, but for video game music? Or soundtracks to sub-AAA/hollywood productions that can't afford someone who's won an Oscar/Golden Globe? I don't see a problem with it, and I play an instrument (it's in my lap right now!) and am involved in my local music scene. Samples, VSTis and autotune already killed commercial music, and this isn't going to change anything for people who do it because they love it.
epiccoleman•1h ago
> video game music

I think it's a bit unfair to draw the line here. Some of the most memorable music in my life has been from video games and I'd hate to lose the human touch here just as much as I'd hate to lose the human touch at live shows.

DOOM 2016, FTL, the Donkey Kong Country games, Mega Man and the Mega Man X series - and of course anything Koji Kondo's done - just to mention a few off the top of my head. I've never really been the type to listen to game music outside the context of a game (unless I've got a particularly bad earworm), but man, I do appreciate good game music.

MattGaiser•1h ago
Lots of music is just filler. It’s not intended to be really listened to, but to break up silence.
porridgeraisin•42m ago
A lot of streaming platform listen minutes has always been this type of filler music. Until now, you could not really disambiguate intentional listening and filler listening. Now you can and the filler listeners wont even notice[1]. A huge chunk of the listen minutes whose value flowed to the artists (from a market perspective, technically this is inefficient), is now not going to go to them. Spotify will prompt optimise based on listening stats and perfect it. TBH until now, many artists were doing stream minutes optimisation of their pop music as well, this is kind of the logical conclusion of that. Human artists will have to stick to intentionally listened music, which is going to be a difficult competitive market. And most listeners actually don't care about this type of music to the same extent, measured in streaming minutes, so the market will be smaller as well. Popularity will end up mattering quite a bit more than it does today I suppose.

Example: This one is easily a replacement for people who listen to linkin park type music passively: https://elevenmusic.io/tracks/6aa1ca95740e34b282c33b0a Well except the vocal only pre-drop part, that was horrendous lyrical flow from the clanker.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/EDM/comments/1mq3s5p/just_noticed_t...

jives•1h ago
Yes, the popularity of Suno indicates that people are asking for this to exist. I know a number of people who regularly generate songs in Suno.
nba456_•1h ago
Yes absolutely. Like me.
tidbeck•1h ago
I think it also creates music that would have never existed like a song for our beer league hockey team.
shermantanktop•1h ago
Take a hard look at the people who are super into this stuff. Ignore the people who have a direct financial interest in it. Look at the people who are left, who are truly enthusiastic about AI-generated music as users.

In my experience they are inexplicably excited by how easy it is to make something shitty.

Not everyone is a born musician, just like not everyone is a born writer, sprinter or mountain climber. But it takes a certain kind of person to hit the "easy" button and still feel like they accomplished something.

avereveard•53m ago
Yes nobody is producing early 90s punk with the same intensity and dinosaurs never died, sorry nofx, so now I have my personal playlists.
fishtoaster•2m ago
Well, a coworker recently rigged up eleven's api to a coffee machine sensor. It now sings, loudly, an original composition to the effect of "make a new pot you asshole" whenever it gets low. We've gotten country, symphonic metal, southern hip hop, smooth british singing, accusatory broadway musical, 20's-style jazz singer, and more - it's different every time.

While the advisability of this particular project is up for debate, I do think it's something that could only exist with an API like eleven's.