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tyleo•12h ago
The MacBooks have insane performance and everything else is falling behind.
It won’t be surprising if Apple overtakes Windows as a gaming platform in coming decades IMO if Intel can’t catch up.
honeycrispy•12h ago
Apple may have good hardware, but their software support is comically bad. Their support for backwards compatibility (aside from Rosetta) has basically been "FU, I'm apple", which you need for gaming.
Apple has had little to no interest in becoming a real gaming platform. Unless that changes, gamers will more likely be moving into the sweet embrace of Gaben on Linux.
latexr•12h ago
Open the App Store on a iPhone. Of the four tabs, two are game-centric (“Games” and “Arcade”). Another (“Today”) has been consistently using more than half of its features for games.
In their most recent operating systems, they have released a separate app specifically for games (look at that domain, even).
Plus, whenever they announce new chips they feature games and gaming personalities in the keynote.
Those are clear signs they are interested in gaming happening on their platforms. Whether they’re succeeding at it is another story.
Induane•12h ago
Of course they also took the route of inventing a new 3d api Metal which is at odds with Vulkan. There is HoneyKrisp of course, but if one want's decent gaming on an M1 or M2 laptop, Asahi Linux is actually the superior choice.
I don't think one can call it even close to success when the best way to run AAA games on your hardware is to literally replace the entire operating system which uses cobbled together components like FEX and wine/proton, etc... the fact that that works with more games is insane.
latexr•11h ago
Again:
> Whether they’re succeeding at it is another story.
You may disagree with their strategy all you like. You may even think they are doing everything wrong, that’s perfectly legitimate. But they are clearly interested in having gaming happen on their platforms. The claim that they aren’t is the only thing I disputed.
abtinf•11h ago
And how about all the games no longer on the App Store?
Say, Flight Control (one of the first games to hit a million unit sales), or the Infinity Blade series (which wiki says was removed due to incompatibility with newer Apple platform changes)?
latexr•11h ago
Both of those examples are old and precede current efforts. Plus, for the third time:
> Whether they’re succeeding at it is another story.
I’m not arguing Apple excels or is even decent at video games, I’m simply pointing out that it’s clear they are interested in having them on their platforms.
realusername•12h ago
They'll never take the gaming segment as they would need proper backward compatibility.
No game developer want to update their game continuously just to keep the lights on.
The opposite is happening at the moment, they fell lower than Linux as a gaming platform.
sublinear•12h ago
I was under the impression the only reason the macbook was mentioned is that it normally wouldn't be able to render this so well.
Seems like a post about the software on display. i.e. "look it can even run on an m2 macbook air"
semi-extrinsic•12h ago
The Apple hardware is indeed very nice, but it's not a good environment for gaming. They've traditionally been quite gaming-hostile with refusing to support the later generations on OpenGL. Then there was a wrapper for Windows games called Whisky, but it was finicky and became unmaintained. Apple has their own App store which sells some games, which is in direct competition with Steam and others, so those actors are probably a bit wary of spending too much resources on the platform. Also a lot of gamer culture is related to building your own hardware, which Apple will never support.
Meanwhile gaming on Linux is becoming better than Windows these days, especially with all the trash to be circumvented on Win11, and Steam working hard on SteamOS etc.
bigyabai•12h ago
I hate to break it to ya, but Apple Silicon isn't in the top 25 highest-performing consumer GPUs. It's probably not even in the top 25 most-efficient either: https://browser.geekbench.com/opencl-benchmarks
jiehong•12h ago
Neither is their target, they are more in the perf/watt segment.
bigyabai•11h ago
Which is why it's confusing that the M3 Ultra is less efficient than several 130w laptop chips.
rafram•11h ago
That chart shows that M4 achieves 25% of the Geekbench scores of GPUs that pull >10x more power. That's definitely efficient.
bigyabai•11h ago
Are you comparing it with other 3nm GPUs? When you normalize for process, Apple Silicon is definitely not the most efficient raster architecture.
rafram•11h ago
It doesn't seem like Nvidia even has any 3nm GPUs on the market. But sure. When you control for power efficiency, it turns out there's no difference at all!
bigyabai•11h ago
Process is not equivalent to power efficiency. It's a step-change enabling better designs.
Apple and Nvidia both have 5nm and 4nm GPUs. Take those scores and divide it by the TDP, you'll be shocked at the difference design can make.
wtallis•9h ago
Please never divide anything by TDP. Use actual power measurements, unless you're trying to ensure your numbers end up being bullshit. (In particular, any number someone claims is a TDP for an Apple processor is made up, because Apple doesn't publish or specify any quantity remotely similar to TDP.)
bigyabai•8h ago
Okay, then don't divide by TDP. Measure the GPU wattage frame-by-frame and you'll still end up with similar numbers. The point stands.
> because Apple doesn't publish or specify any quantity remotely similar to TDP
1) That doesn't mean that power usage isn't measurable.
I'm a huge fan of Apple's hardware since they introduced their own silicon, but this is just silly. Apple doesn't have the personality needed to court and work with game companies. They're busy expecting everyone to come to them when they'd have to actually work to entice them.
tigranbs•11h ago
Is this the WOW effect of the hardware price-to-performance ratio? The only significant benefit I can see is that the M-series chips have RAM as GPU memory, which is slower than traditional GPUs, but at least you can run things with that memory.
Ya Jakub really did an amazing job with Splatter, Martin and Will at SuperSplat also have something similar and works great. Only difference with us is that ours is light weight, native, support XR (VisionPro) and LOD structure is computed on load time, so you can load in any splat file within a couple of seconds.
unbelievably•11h ago
Is there some sort of level-of-detail going on to make this possible? I'd think that's the only way but the tweet says no preprocessing.
Arun_Kurian•11h ago
Yup we compute the LOD structure on load within a couple of seconds using GPU compute shaders.
christkv•11h ago
Runs fine on my iphone 14
lifty•11h ago
Why can't they make video games with this tech?
deadbabe•11h ago
Will be a nightmare to license the use of all this data for commercial purposes. Each house, each building, requires consent.
Sorry, but the answer is no. Unless you are willing to pay.
segmondy•11h ago
prove it, under what law?
carlosjobim•11h ago
That's why Hollywood movies are so expensive. When they have a scene with spider man jumping around in New York, they have to pay a fee to every owner of real estate depicted in the scene.
Worst of all is of course space documentaries, where you can see the whole Earth. The licensing fees are horrendous.
Arun_Kurian•10h ago
wait... so what about Google Maps ?
JSR_FDED•10h ago
He’s kidding
thfuran•11h ago
Has anyone sorted out a good way to do dynamic lighting or animation with it?
Arun_Kurian•10h ago
I think they are coming, should see a few pop up in 2026 for sure.
jncfhnb•10h ago
Real world is a shitty map design
meffmadd•10h ago
From what I have heard „Bodycam“ uses scans of actual locations for its maps.
tyleo•12h ago
It won’t be surprising if Apple overtakes Windows as a gaming platform in coming decades IMO if Intel can’t catch up.
honeycrispy•12h ago
Apple has had little to no interest in becoming a real gaming platform. Unless that changes, gamers will more likely be moving into the sweet embrace of Gaben on Linux.
latexr•12h ago
In their most recent operating systems, they have released a separate app specifically for games (look at that domain, even).
https://games.apple.com
They created the Game Porting Toolkit.
https://developer.apple.com/games/game-porting-toolkit/
When they discontinue Rosetta next year, they’ll continue limited support specifically for old games.
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple-silicon/abou...
Plus, whenever they announce new chips they feature games and gaming personalities in the keynote.
Those are clear signs they are interested in gaming happening on their platforms. Whether they’re succeeding at it is another story.
Induane•12h ago
I don't think one can call it even close to success when the best way to run AAA games on your hardware is to literally replace the entire operating system which uses cobbled together components like FEX and wine/proton, etc... the fact that that works with more games is insane.
latexr•11h ago
> Whether they’re succeeding at it is another story.
You may disagree with their strategy all you like. You may even think they are doing everything wrong, that’s perfectly legitimate. But they are clearly interested in having gaming happen on their platforms. The claim that they aren’t is the only thing I disputed.
abtinf•11h ago
Say, Flight Control (one of the first games to hit a million unit sales), or the Infinity Blade series (which wiki says was removed due to incompatibility with newer Apple platform changes)?
latexr•11h ago
> Whether they’re succeeding at it is another story.
I’m not arguing Apple excels or is even decent at video games, I’m simply pointing out that it’s clear they are interested in having them on their platforms.
realusername•12h ago
No game developer want to update their game continuously just to keep the lights on.
The opposite is happening at the moment, they fell lower than Linux as a gaming platform.
sublinear•12h ago
Seems like a post about the software on display. i.e. "look it can even run on an m2 macbook air"
semi-extrinsic•12h ago
Meanwhile gaming on Linux is becoming better than Windows these days, especially with all the trash to be circumvented on Win11, and Steam working hard on SteamOS etc.
bigyabai•12h ago
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rafram•11h ago
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bigyabai•11h ago
Apple and Nvidia both have 5nm and 4nm GPUs. Take those scores and divide it by the TDP, you'll be shocked at the difference design can make.
wtallis•9h ago
bigyabai•8h ago
> because Apple doesn't publish or specify any quantity remotely similar to TDP
1) That doesn't mean that power usage isn't measurable.
2) They actually do, although it's not a perfect breakdown chip-by-chip: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102027
alsetmusic•11h ago