frontpage.
newsnewestaskshowjobs

Open Source @Github

fp.

Open in hackernews

A simple heuristic for agents: human-led vs. human-in-the-loop vs. agent-led

1•fletchervmiles•1y ago
tl;dr - the more agency your agent has, the simpler your use case needs to be

Most if not all successful production use cases today are either human-led or human-in-the-loop. Agent-led is possible but requires simplistic use cases.

---

Human-led:

An obvious example is ChatGPT. One input, one output. The model might suggest a follow-up or use a tool but ultimately, you're the master in command.

---

Human-in-the-loop:

The best example of this is Cursor (and other coding tools). Coding tools can do 99% of the coding for you, use dozens of tools, and are incredibly capable. But ultimately the human still gives the requirements, hits "accept" or "reject' AND gives feedback on each interaction turn.

The last point is important as it's a live recalibration.

This can sometimes not be enough though. An example of this is the rollout of Sonnect 3.7 in Cursor. The feedback loop vs model agency mix was off. Too much agency, not sufficient recalibration from the human. So users switched!

---

Agent-led:

This is where the agent leads the task, end-to-end. The user is just a participant. This is difficult because there's less recalibration so your probability of something going wrong increases on each turn… It's cumulative.

P(all good) = pⁿ

p = agent works correctly n = number of turns / interactions

Ok… I'm going to use my product as an example, not to promote, I'm just very familiar with how it works.

It's a chat agent that runs short customer interviews. My customers can configure it based on what they want to learn (i.e. why a customer churned) and send it to their customers.

It's agent-led because

→ as soon as the respondent opens the link, they're guided from there → at each turn the agent (not the human) is deciding what to do next

That means deciding the right thing to do over 10 to 30 conversation turns (depending on config). I.e. correctly decide:

→ whether to expand the conversation vs dive deeper → reflect on current progress + context → traverse a bunch of objectives and ask questions that draw out insight (per current objective)

Let's apply the above formula. Example:

Let's say:

→ n = 20 (i.e. number of conversation turns) → p = .99 (i.e. how often the agent does the right thing - 99% of the time)

That equals P(all good) = 0.99²⁰ ≈ 0.82

So if I ran 100 such 20‑turn conversations, I'd expect roughly 82 to complete as per instructions and about 18 to stumble at least once.

Let's change p to 95%...

→ n = 20 → p = .95

P(all good) = 0.95²⁰ ≈ 0.358

I.e. if I ran 100 such 20‑turn conversations, I’d expect roughly 36 to finish without a hitch and about 64 to go off‑track at least once.

My p score is high. I had to strip out a bunch of tools and simplify but I got there. And for my use case, a failure is just a slightly irrelevant response so it's manageable.

---

Conclusion:

Getting an agent to do the correct thing 99% is not trivial.

You basically can't have a super complicated workflow. Yes, you can mitigate this by introducing other agents to check the work but this then introduces latency.

There's always a tradeoff!

Know which category you're building in and if you're going for agent-led, narrow your use-case as much as possible.

Allegro

https://liballeg.org/
1•tosh•1m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What internal tool did you build that became a product?

1•nehpets•2m ago•0 comments

CopenPay returns and Copenhagen now rewards tourists who arrive by train

https://www.denmarklifestyledaily.com/article/812071964-copenpay-returns-3-times-bigger-copenhage...
1•slu•5m ago•0 comments

The dispute over what caused Air India flight 171 to crash

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyk9exxp2qo
1•1659447091•6m ago•0 comments

OpenAI mulls slashing prices as it competes with Anthropic for users

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/11/openai-mulls-slashing-prices-ahead-of-competition-from-anthropic-...
7•agentifysh•7m ago•2 comments

Show HN: I built a Red Flag Warning zone-check tool for the East Bay in 48h

https://redflag-check.info
2•vedant28t•7m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Vaportrail – flight recorder for Claude Code, Codex, and OpenCode

https://github.com/B33BMO/vaportrail
2•b33bmo•8m ago•0 comments

Tesla robotaxis stall as Musk's self-driving hype hits real-world traffic

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2026-06-10/tesla-robotaxis-stall-as-musks-self-driving-hyp...
1•1vuio0pswjnm7•9m ago•0 comments

YouTube terms of service allow AI music training, Google says

https://www.billboard.com/pro/google-youtube-terms-of-service-ai-music-training-lawsuit/
1•sdoering•10m ago•1 comments

Feds move to formally allow sports "trading" on prediction markets

https://www.axios.com/2026/06/10/cftc-prediction-markets-sports-event-contract-rules
1•1vuio0pswjnm7•16m ago•0 comments

Nearly Everyone, Everywhere, Veers Left When Walking

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/10/science/humans-walking-veer-left-counterclockwise.html
2•bryanrasmussen•17m ago•2 comments

Agentic Frameworks

https://astledsa.substack.com/p/agentic-frameworks
1•astledsa•19m ago•0 comments

Adafruit files suit against Flux.ai over legal threats [pdf]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.471648/gov.uscourts.cand.471648.1.0.pdf
3•russdill•21m ago•1 comments

TokenPulse – Live token and rate limit tracker for Claude and ChatGPT

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/tokenpulse-—-chatgpt-clau/oimclhdbljodjkankcnalklchfce...
1•Anoop69_•23m ago•0 comments

TikTok

https://tiktok-guahdfjhshrk.com
1•DARKNNESSANKC•24m ago•0 comments

Grit by GitButler: A from-scratch reimplementation of Git in idiomatic Rust

https://github.com/gitbutlerapp/grit
1•maxloh•27m ago•0 comments

It blocked us at 'hello ' Anthropic Fable 5 refusing innocuous prompts

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/06/10/anthropic-claude-fable-5-refuses-innocuous-promp...
6•abliterationai•29m ago•1 comments

I built a tool that reads code and lists features with file:line refs

https://www.verifiablyai.com/projects/requests
1•arvvind•31m ago•0 comments

Join-Calculus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join-calculus
1•tosh•32m ago•0 comments

See what your AI coding agent is doing with Datadog Lapdog

https://chrisebert.net/see-what-your-ai-coding-agent-is-doing-with-datadog-lapdog/
1•cebert•38m ago•0 comments

Terms of Service Ban AI Agents from Using Stack Overflow for Agents

https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/438910/introducing-stack-overflow-for-agents
2•nomilk•39m ago•0 comments

Sales Is the Customer Clock

https://hari.computer/sales-is-the-customer-clock
2•andytratt•39m ago•0 comments

The Algorithm for Precision Medicine

https://www.janestreet.com/tech-talks/algorithm-for-precision-medicine/
2•vismit2000•41m ago•0 comments

Musk Looks to an Army of Loyalists to Help Make Him a Trillionaire

https://www.wsj.com/articles/musk-spacex-ipo-retail-traders-a13e9030
3•1vuio0pswjnm7•44m ago•0 comments

TrueNAS Is Now Red Hat OpenShift Certified

https://www.truenas.com/blog/truenas-openshift-certified/
3•ofrzeta•47m ago•1 comments

Oracle Machine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine
1•marysminefnuf•50m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What software feels exceptionally polished?

2•Adam-Hincu•53m ago•7 comments

The forgotten Scots who gave Kafka his voice

https://engelsbergideas.com/reviews/the-forgotten-scots-who-gave-kafka-his-voice/
1•the-mitr•55m ago•0 comments

Germany's €100B bid to make the trains run on time

https://www.ft.com/content/db75e347-b13b-4753-8130-6301bb55c040
2•latentframe•57m ago•0 comments

Xbox Plans Significant Layoffs as New CEO Plans Overhaul

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-10/xbox-plans-significant-layoffs-as-it-transform...
6•reasonableklout•59m ago•0 comments