frontpage.
newsnewestaskshowjobs

Made with ♥ by @iamnishanth

Open Source @Github

fp.

Open in hackernews

AI is right about em-dashes

https://joeldueck.com/ai-is-right-about-em-dashes.html
12•freediver•10mo ago

Comments

mattl•10mo ago
Yeah I never used them before I worked at the FSF. The FSF used the Chicago Manual of Style.
neom•10mo ago
Joel is a great guy who apparently loves the em dash. Personally, I find them particularly annoying, pedantic, and always have. Just use a comma, when I'm reading something with an em dash it's always unclear to me exactly how long I should pause, especially when reading aloud..., how dramatic...?!
damhsa•10mo ago
a short dash - with spaces around it - is clearly a punction mark, not a word-joiner. what nonsense! anyway, you can not expect everyone to use 4 or more different key combinations depending what style they want. the only solution is to make firefox, word, etc choose the right dash for word-joining, punctuation, minus, number ranges, etc. somewhat similar to how they can choose the width of spaces in justified text.
dragonwriter•10mo ago
> a short dash - with spaces around it - is clearly a punction mark, not a word-joiner. what nonsense!

That's not a "short dash", it is a hyphen with spaces around it (more precisely, an ASCII hyphen-minus, but that's really a hyphen that is overloaded in contexts where a proper typographic minus sign isn't available.) There are shorter dashes than the em-dash, one of which (the en-dash) is the normal print alternative for some uses of the em-dash, set open (with spaces) where the em-dash would be set closed (without spaces).

Also, both hyphens and en-dashes are used as word joiners in different contexts; this is not distinct from punctuation but a form of punctuation.

> anyway, you can not expect everyone to use 4 or more different key combinations depending what style they want.

For very informal writing, sure, people are often, according to their own personal comfort, going to be sloppy and approximate punctuation (heck, they are going to do that with spelling quite often.)

> the only solution is to make firefox, word, etc choose the right dash for word-joining, punctuation, minus, number ranges, etc.

Some apps have tools that automatically handle simple cases, but...it's not simple for software to figure out what your intent is and subsitute the correct punctuation mark (the are all punctuation). The actual solution is, as for other less common punctuation marks to accept that there's going to be lots of variation and substitution of easier-to-access characters in informal writing, while recognizing what is correct and maintaining it in formal contexts. But also recognizing that people that know what they are doing and know their tools are going to often use the correct ones in informal contexts, as well.

damhsa•10mo ago
it is a dash. you could use an em dash - or a 2em dash - but this dash is probably shorter than 1em - unless like me you have a monospace font. if it can be a hyphen-minus, it can be a hyphen/minus/dash. and that is what it is, because that is how it is used, ASCII be damned. the english language and its typography is beholden to neither ASCII™ nor UNICODE™.
dragonwriter•10mo ago
The hypen/minus/<various dashes> distinction long predates ASCII (much less Unicode), conflation between them is a product of ASCII with some contribution from the limitations of mechanical typewriters, the distinction isn't an imposition from ASCII onto the English language.
jasonthorsness•10mo ago
I use a plugin[1] on my blog that automatically translates ‘--‘ or ‘---‘ into em or en dashes. I did not see it coming that now my articles will look AI-written :p

Edit: just discovered iOS keyboard input also does this when you type multiple hyphens

1 - https://daringfireball.net/projects/smartypants/

Trivy Compromised a Second Time – v0.69.4 binaries, setup-trivy, trivy-action

https://www.stepsecurity.io/blog/trivy-compromised-a-second-time---malicious-v0-69-4-release
1•dotty-•1m ago•0 comments

Authorities disrupt largest IoT DDoS botnets

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ak/pr/authorities-disrupt-worlds-largest-iot-ddos-botnets-responsibl...
1•Imustaskforhelp•1m ago•0 comments

Test: -/

1•WaterRun•4m ago•0 comments

Final Testing Phase of Tesla FSD (Supervised) in EU

https://twitter.com/i/status/2034872940542800361
1•denysvitali•5m ago•0 comments

30 Days in China's California

https://www.cocreate.cafe/stories/30%20Days%20in%20China%27s%20California
1•serenityux•8m ago•1 comments

Orange built an API where AI agents can test apps and submit feedback

https://github.com/ORANGEWEB3/orange-skills
1•Bob442•10m ago•0 comments

Fixy – Real-time group chat with humans and AI agents (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini)

https://fixy.ai/
2•frdfrd•22m ago•0 comments

Suddenly Everyone in San Francisco Is a 'Builder,' Whatever That Means

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/suddenly-everyone-in-san-francisco-is-a-builder-whatever-that-means-0...
3•thoughtpeddler•26m ago•0 comments

AI Benefits – But at What Cost?

https://ardalis.com/ai-benefits---but-at-what-cost/
1•ardalis•28m ago•1 comments

The simple macroeconomics of AI: Daron Acemoglu (2024)

https://www.nber.org/papers/w32487
2•pramodbiligiri•28m ago•0 comments

Podcast Transcripts API for Agents

https://spoken.md/
1•lifesaverluke•30m ago•1 comments

Android 16 VPN Bug Has Gone Without a Fix for 7 Months

https://www.pcmag.com/news/this-android-16-vpn-bug-has-gone-without-a-fix-for-7-months
3•amichae2•32m ago•0 comments

A Trillion Transactions

https://tigerbeetle.com/blog/2026-03-19-a-trillion-transactions/
2•vinhnx•32m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: How are you handling market-state verification for financial AI agents?

1•Headless_Oracle•34m ago•0 comments

iOS / Swift Engineer – BLE, Maps, Real-World Asset Tracking and Gamification

https://www.dudewhereisthiscar.com/contact/
1•timgavern•36m ago•0 comments

Review: The Design and Engineering of Curiosity

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/3491/1
2•teleforce•42m ago•0 comments

Agenlon – let your agents bid in tenders for tasks

https://github.com/ufukkaraca/agenlon
2•ufukkaraca•51m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Is this the new normal, a generational gap, or an AI psychosis epidemic?

1•ozozozd•51m ago•3 comments

Prompt-hacking the new p-hacking?

https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/prompt-hacking-the-new-p-hacking/
2•kgarten•53m ago•0 comments

In Search of Banksy

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/global-art-banksy/
2•divbzero•53m ago•0 comments

Perfect Green Screen Keys

https://github.com/nikopueringer/CorridorKey
1•dan353hehe•55m ago•1 comments

Sheetbest

https://sheetbest.com/
1•skogstokig•55m ago•0 comments

OpenFuse: Persistent shared context for AI agents, via plain files

https://github.com/wearethecompute/openfused
2•wearethecompute•1h ago•0 comments

Core JavaScript and TypeScript Features Become Free in IntelliJ Idea

https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2026/03/js-ts-free-support/
4•vilasa•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Unwind – I built a security proxy for AI agents on a Raspberry Pi

2•David-Brug-Ai•1h ago•0 comments

VerifySignups – real-time API to block disposable and invalid emails

https://www.verifysignups.com/
2•likelystoryllc•1h ago•0 comments

Ships cross St. of Hormuz as Iran exports oil bbl. despite war

https://apnews.com/article/ships-iran-oil-china-us-trump-hormuz-82a9acb473837f1bf7a821d0c3f95205
3•dr_kiszonka•1h ago•2 comments

UK Officials to investigate if meningitis outbreak bacteria has mutated

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/meningitis-outbreak-kent-university-london-canterb...
3•petethomas•1h ago•0 comments

The free-energy principle: a rough guide to the brain? [pdf]

https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/The%20free-energy%20principle%20-%20a%20rough%20guide%20to%20...
2•nill0•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: GTM Simulator – Build a B2B Startup from Seed to IPO

https://gtmsimulator.com
1•anoop4bhat•1h ago•1 comments