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"A milion token context" Big AI says. But the model is accurate for 2-4K tokens

https://unagent.eu/2025/04/22/misleading-promises-of-long-context-llm/
2•kzawpl•1y ago

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kzawpl•1y ago
Over last two years there were claims of better long context capabilities for LLM, but that is often tested on exact text search. New benchmark called NoLiMa shows that long context capability of LLM is still poor, if you want LLM to perform some abstraction and reasoning.
vessenes•1y ago
Meh. NoLima is helpful, in that it shows what we all "feel" working with models -- there's a marked dropoff in accuracy and intelligence as we get past 4-32k of context, depending on the model.

But, it seems unreasonable to be super worried about this -- a year or two ago, models couldn't easily find needles in haystacks of long context. As training and test strategies delivered trainable content, this became a thing that could be done perfectly across millions of tokens of context. There has not been a good way to incentivize models to do anything more but remember locations yet.

We are (mostly) paying the full costs of attending to the entire context in current architectures, and it seems pretty reasonable that we will therefore be able to train those architectures to more fully attend across context if we get the right training data into (ideally) an RL loop.

NoLima is an okay test, but I think the most recent OpenAI tests are significantly better and quite interesting; OpenAI-MRCR and Graphwalks are both super smart ideas about how to programmatically generate data that is easy to evaluate and forces better cross context attention.

From their 4.1 announcement: Graphwalks fills the context window with a directed graph composed of hexadecimal hashes, and then asks the model to perform a breadth-first search (BFS) starting from a random node in the graph. We then ask it to return all nodes at a certain depth.

MRCR asks for direct quotes at semantically identified locations in the text, e.g. poems about tapirs, bears and ballerinas, as well as stories about tapirs, bears and ballerinas are generated, perhaps fifty each. The system is asked "give me the third poem about tapirs". This requires counting, conceptual attention, and also distinguishing between stories and poems.

They only test their own models on MRCR for the benchmark graph, but it's still worth reviewing: the accuracy curves are super interesting. https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/

Adobe to Acquire Topaz Labs

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260625160239/en/Adobe-to-Acquire-Topaz-Labs
1•nycdatasci•21s ago•0 comments

Adobe Acquires Topaz Labs

https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/25/adobe-acquires-image-and-video-enhancement-tool-maker-topaz-labs/
1•nycdatasci•1m ago•0 comments

Talking robot heads and one human with a tinfoil helmet [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aicfLYrRuUw
1•deadprogram•1m ago•0 comments

Bitcoin falls back under $60k, hitting its lowest level since October 2024

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/24/bitcoin-falls-back-under-60000-hitting-its-lowest-level-since-oct...
2•1vuio0pswjnm7•2m ago•0 comments

Human Dignity

https://www.nubero.ch/blog/017/
1•speckx•2m ago•0 comments

UN hypocrisy in AI Environmental demands

https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/un-tracking-without-consent/
2•AlexanderHanff•3m ago•1 comments

Len Sassaman – Satoshi Nakamoto Evidence

https://pmarengo.medium.com/len-sassaman-satoshi-nakamoto-evidence-byzantine-generals-problem-c57...
2•binyu•3m ago•0 comments

Empower Others

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2•benwerd•4m ago•0 comments

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Da8kolAQU
2•surprisetalk•4m ago•0 comments

Good clarity on AI observability and in simple terms

https://posthog.com/blog/what-is-ai-observability
3•pineapple_opus•4m ago•1 comments

Dappfort – Right Technology Partner for Cryptocurrency Exchange Business

https://www.dappfort.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-development-company/
2•shakshichinnah•5m ago•0 comments

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https://mimetiq.substack.com/p/the-tokenmaxxing-hangover
2•greg_V•5m ago•0 comments

Tech billionaires hire Democratic dealmakers in push to build a Bay Area city

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6•cdrnsf•10m ago•0 comments

Federating Clusters for Zero-Downtime Kubernetes

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2•PagCatOli•11m ago•0 comments

Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

2•shantnutiwari•12m ago•0 comments

Synth beats Fable 5 on deep research

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4•ljlolel•16m ago•2 comments

Interactive TUI for Terraform Plans

https://github.com/omarismail/terraform-plan-tui
2•omar-terraform•16m ago•0 comments

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2•feeblefakie•17m ago•0 comments

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3•healeycodes•17m ago•0 comments

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https://github.com/l-zhi/pith-wiki
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2•pcbmaker20•18m ago•0 comments

Formal Verification Benchmarks Are the Key to Ironclad Software Infrastructure

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2•surprisetalk•19m ago•0 comments

Benchmarking four open-source geo-experiment tools against known ground truth

https://research.getrecast.com/geolift-sim-study/
2•mrsoli•20m ago•0 comments

Machine learning rediscovers equations governing ocean biogeochemistry

https://phys.org/news/2026-06-machine-rediscovers-equations-ocean-biogeochemistry.html
2•brandonb•21m ago•0 comments

Meta debuts AI-powered Meta Glasses, starting at $299

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2•gmays•21m ago•0 comments

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https://github.com/NTICompass/NetworkAttachedMouse
2•nticompass•22m ago•0 comments

MAGA Congresswoman Denies Using AI to Write Bill

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4•AdmiralAsshat•23m ago•0 comments

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2•smanuel•25m ago•0 comments

Notes from inside China's AI labs

https://www.interconnects.ai/p/notes-from-inside-chinas-ai-labs
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How do you feel about AI today?

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2•irln•26m ago•0 comments