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"A milion token context" Big AI says. But the model is accurate for 2-4K tokens

https://unagent.eu/2025/04/22/misleading-promises-of-long-context-llm/
2•kzawpl•7mo ago

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kzawpl•7mo ago
Over last two years there were claims of better long context capabilities for LLM, but that is often tested on exact text search. New benchmark called NoLiMa shows that long context capability of LLM is still poor, if you want LLM to perform some abstraction and reasoning.
vessenes•7mo ago
Meh. NoLima is helpful, in that it shows what we all "feel" working with models -- there's a marked dropoff in accuracy and intelligence as we get past 4-32k of context, depending on the model.

But, it seems unreasonable to be super worried about this -- a year or two ago, models couldn't easily find needles in haystacks of long context. As training and test strategies delivered trainable content, this became a thing that could be done perfectly across millions of tokens of context. There has not been a good way to incentivize models to do anything more but remember locations yet.

We are (mostly) paying the full costs of attending to the entire context in current architectures, and it seems pretty reasonable that we will therefore be able to train those architectures to more fully attend across context if we get the right training data into (ideally) an RL loop.

NoLima is an okay test, but I think the most recent OpenAI tests are significantly better and quite interesting; OpenAI-MRCR and Graphwalks are both super smart ideas about how to programmatically generate data that is easy to evaluate and forces better cross context attention.

From their 4.1 announcement: Graphwalks fills the context window with a directed graph composed of hexadecimal hashes, and then asks the model to perform a breadth-first search (BFS) starting from a random node in the graph. We then ask it to return all nodes at a certain depth.

MRCR asks for direct quotes at semantically identified locations in the text, e.g. poems about tapirs, bears and ballerinas, as well as stories about tapirs, bears and ballerinas are generated, perhaps fifty each. The system is asked "give me the third poem about tapirs". This requires counting, conceptual attention, and also distinguishing between stories and poems.

They only test their own models on MRCR for the benchmark graph, but it's still worth reviewing: the accuracy curves are super interesting. https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/

Electric soup cup that enhances salty taste

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/09/10/japan/kirin-electric-cup-enhances-salty-taste/
1•geox•2m ago•0 comments

Mini-SGLang: A lightweight yet high-performance inference framework for LLM

https://github.com/sgl-project/mini-sglang
1•limoce•5m ago•0 comments

US admits liability in helicopter collision with American jet that killed 67

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/17/us-army-helicopter-collision-american-airlines-jet.html
2•pseudolus•8m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Solance – Discover Music Through Friends

https://www.solance.app/
1•Solance•13m ago•0 comments

I made a simple form for restaurants and cafes to list their location on OSM

https://localcafe.org/locations/submit/new
1•fullstacking•14m ago•2 comments

Tucker claims Trump will declare war on Venezuela tonight address to nation

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15393611/venezuela-trump-address-nation-oval-office-war....
2•Bender•15m ago•4 comments

Apple Announces Changes to iOS in Japan

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/12/apple-announces-changes-to-ios-in-japan/
3•soheilpro•19m ago•0 comments

We Built GPT Image 1.5 Because AI Image Generators Still Suck

https://loraai.io/es/gpt-image-15
1•xbaicai•20m ago•2 comments

English has become easier to read

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1•pseudolus•23m ago•0 comments

Shiver Offroad lives and operates on the move

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1•gnabgib•24m ago•0 comments

Coinbase adds prediction markets and stocks in push to be one-stop trading app

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/17/coinbase-prediction-markets-stock-trading-stablecoins.html
2•PieUser•24m ago•0 comments

How China built its Manhattan Project rival west AI chips

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4•markus_zhang•26m ago•0 comments

Waymo and Tesla's self-driving systems are more similar than people think

https://www.understandingai.org/p/waymo-and-teslas-self-driving-systems
1•cusaitech•26m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Made a plugin where you can generate consistent illustrations in Figma

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1•Kristjan_Retter•26m ago•0 comments

Top Quality Sportswear Training Wear Available Now

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1•alicebossgoo•30m ago•0 comments

How Much Water Do AI Data Centers Use?

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1•EA-3167•31m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Alternative to lean domain search without .blog

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1•aleks5678•32m ago•1 comments

Dan Bongino announces he's QUIT FBI to return to popular talk show

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1•Bender•37m ago•0 comments

The ATF's digitization of 900M gun sales records and the legal debate around it

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2•delschlangen•38m ago•0 comments

Definitions of "AI" differ and why advanced systems might escape both

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1•delschlangen•40m ago•0 comments

Miriam Adelson pledges $250 million for a third Trump term at White House party

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3•sipofwater•40m ago•1 comments

Made a Portfolio Diversifier

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1•mangonese•41m ago•1 comments

Why does Windows take the scenic route converting from CF_TEXT to CF_OEM­TEXT?

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20251216-00/?p=111873
2•zdw•41m ago•0 comments

Exchange Online Mailbox Audit Logs "On" might not mean "On"

https://twitter.com/itguysocal/status/2001383890574020648
1•fowl2•41m ago•1 comments

Is Cognitive Dissonance Actually a Thing?

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2•mitchbob•42m ago•2 comments

Cisco decides its homegrown AI model is ready to power its products

https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/17/cisco_foundation_model_indentity_intelligence/
1•Bender•42m ago•0 comments

Typosquatting in Package Managers

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1•zdw•44m ago•1 comments

Umm so I created a black hole

https://iamdinakar.github.io/blackhole/
2•DinakarS•44m ago•0 comments

Sanders: Pushing for a moratorium on AI data centers

https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/2001057004370948131
2•tekacs•46m ago•0 comments

Gut bacteria have evolved rapidly to digest starches in ultra-processed foods

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2•strangeloops85•46m ago•0 comments