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The US has a new most powerful laser hitting 2 petawatts

https://news.engin.umich.edu/2025/05/the-us-has-a-new-most-powerful-laser/
66•voxadam•5h ago

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cnees•3h ago
I got a tour of the lab during construction. As a software engineer, what I found most incredible about the project was how well they stuck to their delivery proposal and timeline over the course of five years of development.
otteromkram•3h ago
> Optical devices called diffraction gratings stretch it out in time so that when the pump lasers dump power into the pulse, it doesn’t get so intense that it starts tearing the air apart.

Oh,my.

> "The crystal that we’re going to get in the summer will get us to 3 petawatts, and it took four and a half years to manufacture"

This entire thing is beyond cool. I hope the rest of the process goes smoothly for the teams involved!

hinkley•2h ago
I was hoping I could hear it make noise but it operates for millionths of nanoseconds. Human ears have trouble with anything less than 30 ms so when it runs a trillion times longer we’ll be able to hear it make a sound.
mitthrowaway2•2h ago
You can hear femtosecond lasers because they ionize the air, creating a spark. They buzz at the pulse repetition frequency.
hinkley•1h ago
Do you know how often this one pulses? I was getting the impression it fires once per hour given the power levels.
FiatLuxDave•1h ago
Big powerful lasers can actually be quite noisy. Once I was talking on the phone with a friend who was working on one of the big lasers (don't remember which one, but it was in the bay area) and he said,"What? What? I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my laser!". When he could hear me, I told him that was one of the coolest things I'd ever heard anyone say.
chneu•1h ago
It's usually the accessories and support equipment that makes lasers loud. Cooling equipment, electrical stuff, etc.

If those can be put in another room then the noise goes way down.

ourmandave•2h ago
Mount it in a jet and you could pop an entire house full of popcorn in seconds.
cnees•2h ago
In femtoseconds!
hinkley•2h ago
That’s popcorn. Get it away from me, I can’t stand popcorn. I hate popcorn.
loloquwowndueo•1h ago
More for us, then!
MisterTea•1h ago
It's an on topic movie quote: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/quotes/?item=qt0435723&...
amelius•38m ago
Point it downwards and make that hole through the center of Earth.
megous•2h ago
I don't think anyone should be impressed by watts. Jouls are where all the real work is.

Asside for the PR article. What's the use case for pettawatt laser pulse lasting 25 quintillionths of a second?

cnees•2h ago
A previous press release lists some research applications and potential practical developments. https://news.engin.umich.edu/2019/09/most-powerful-laser-in-...
hinkley•2h ago
Laser pulses can ablate materials and the shorter the pulse the crisper the edges. Back in the 90’s or early 00’s they demonstrated pulses laser cutting of tissue where the heat damage to surrounding tissue had a width of a single cell.
ourmandave•2h ago
What, like a surgical laser?

"Okay, hold really still..."

hinkley•2h ago
Yeah and I think this and radiological tools are why chemo tattoos exist. The system has to react to the twitch you can’t control when a weird noise happens next to your head. Instead of stabbing bolts into your skull through your skin with a device Torquemada would have been proud of, they target versus the dots and if the dots move? Well this is where my knowledge runs out. Either they shut down the beam or they target in realtime. But either way the payload is delivered where it’s supposed to be or not at all.

I don’t know if they are using laser scalpels in surgery. My medical fascination mostly ends at diagonostics and experimental procedures. If I don’t know anyone with a disorder I tend not to hear about new procedures. My friend in college was helping a prof work on picosecond violet lasers and now we are on femtosecond.

gosub100•1h ago
Some radiation therapy machines use metal fiducial markers and can account for movement such has patient breathing
mmastrac•2h ago
At femtoseconds, assuming your tracking matches, you could probably sit a sugar-loaded kid in a chair without instructions and just make it work.
hinkley•1h ago
Probably like watching people play war sims with a sniper rifle. Just waiting for the crosshairs to bounce over the target’s head and then blam.

Bigger problem I suspect is children with white coat syndrome. When I was a kid doctors got away with being monstrous to children.

fragmede•1h ago
Why the Dougie Howser hate?
frollogaston•2h ago
Well you probably don't want a petawatt laser lasting a second, cause it'll obliterate a lot more than what you wanted to.
ta1243•13m ago
Including of course the laser. It's about 240 kilotons of TNT, or over 10 times the power of the nagasaki or hiroshmia bombs.
EnPissant•1h ago
Watts are just joules per second.

It doesn't make any sense to measure joules alone. _Any_ laser can output 2 petajoules. The only question is how long it takes to do that: hence Watts.

floxy•1h ago
Seems like you always start somewhere. First you have 25E-18, then bump it up to 1e-15, and maybe someday you are at 1e-9 and are doing inertial confinement fusion.
spookie•2h ago
For anyone interested, the most powerful one is in Romania at the Extreme Light Infrastructure (ELI) in Măgurele. It's about 10 petawatts.
Alifatisk•1h ago
In that case, the titles claim is false, right?
0xffff2•57m ago
No. Maybe slightly ambiguous, but I immediately read the title as "most powerful laser in the US".
pitaj•54m ago
The title can be interpreted as "there's a new laser that is now America's most powerful"
baxtr•2h ago
Instead of petawatts I’d love to hear what it can destroy.

I imagine a scale like:

1: Mosquito

…

10000: Planet (Death Star)

vlmutolo•2h ago
To kill a mosquito, you need "a few tens of millijoules, delivered within a few milliseconds" [0], so let's say 10W. To destroy the Earth (so that it turns into scattered dust and never reforms) you need about 10^32 J [1]; if we assume this is applied over maybe 100s, the laser would be 10^30W.

So the log10 scale goes from 1–30, where mosquitos die at 1 and the Earth dies at 30. The 2 PW in the article is about a 15.3. The Vulcan 20-20 project (set to complete in 2029) will register at about 20PW, or a 16.3 on the mosquito-Death Star scale [2].

So on a log scale, we're over halfway to building the Death Star.

[0]: https://spectrum.ieee.org/backyard-star-wars

[1]: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-energy-w...

[2]: https://news.sky.com/story/worlds-most-powerful-laser-to-be-...

jvanderbot•1h ago
Thank you for this, I will be using this for the rest of my life!
baxtr•1h ago
This is awesome! Thank you!!

I’m still not sure what 15.3 on the MDS scale can destroy but I am sure the Emperor will be pleased to hear that we are half-way to building the Death Star.

codyb•1h ago
The on a log scale is doing a fair amount of lifting here I think
amelius•1h ago
Next question: on what planet/moon should the mosquito be to be _just_ safe from the laser?
zahlman•53m ago
Well, mass scales as the cube of radius, and we have 15 orders of magnitude to work with, so I guess it should be an object on the order of hundreds of meters in radius. But as noted, the duration of firing matters as well. Given https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44054239, the actual laser can only vaporize much smaller things.
dyauspitr•50m ago
I don’t like log scales, they’re not intuitive.
SamBam•30m ago
> if we assume this is applied over maybe 100s

I think this is the crux of the assumption right here. It sounds like this is apply for well under a nanosecond.

I think we're closer to maybe killing a mosquito than "half way to building a Death Star on a log scale" (which, I guess is already much closer to a mosquito than a planet).

outadoc•2h ago
What if we tried more power?
Sohcahtoa82•28m ago
I'm assuming this is an XKCD reference.

https://what-if.xkcd.com/13/

pryelluw•2h ago
I am embarrassed to admit of thinking there’s a Family Guy joke somewhere in that headline.
pugworthy•1h ago
Could you explain the joke?
SietrixDev•1h ago
Probably Peta => Peter who is one of the main characters in the show.
tonyhart7•1h ago
star wars??? space wars???
metalman•1h ago
china is on track to have a 100pettawatt laser operating this year called "The Station of Extream Light", SEL for short, which is going to be used to try and seperate energy and matter by breaking empty space. think that this links to the place building it http://english.siom.cas.cn/Newsroom/rp/202207/t20220701_3071... all in all good to have a competitive environment in reseach.......though the US government, cough, cough, might, nudge, think about, some funding there
torcete•1h ago
In this very interesting video, a Russian drone developer gives his thoughts about laser weapons. In theory they work, they test it always on ideal atmospheric conditions. In practice, they don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmfNUM2CbbM

owenversteeg•55m ago
I see a number of comments here misunderstanding the power of this laser. Laser facilities like this one are designed for incredibly short pulses that are femtoseconds long, and total energy per pulse is typically on the order of tens of joules, roughly equivalent to a few seconds of your phone flashlight. They can’t destroy much of anything on human scales. They are made to do physics research, and there is absolutely no pathway from a 2 petawatt laser that delivers a few joules a minute to a 2 petawatt laser that hits full output power for a few seconds: that would be 10^16 times more energy, not to mention it that brief pulse would use more electricity than all the US uses in a year and completely destroy the University of Michigan in spectacular fashion (very roughly equivalent to a five megaton nuclear explosion.)

If you’re interested in the most energy per pulse, you want the “most energetic” laser, which is the NIF at LLNL. That’s about 2 megajoules per pulse or half a kilowatt hour. Definitely enough to kill a mosquito, but it doesn’t even register on the scale of Death Star style lasers from fiction.

And if you want the most destructive power, those are all military lasers. Which can absolutely destroy things science fiction style, but on a fairly small scale and with some important limitations.

babyent•51m ago
So.. We just need to figure out wormholes and make an infinite loop the laser goes through and harness its true power!!
Dylan16807•38m ago
I understand that you're being silly, but even in this silly theory land how is that supposed to work? While the laser is in a loop it's not hitting anything, and if you let it out it's the same as when you put it in.
babyent•32m ago
You're right, I am being silly because I am too uneducated to really make sense of any of it.

I love smart people who work on this stuff, a lot of what I take for granted is due to their efforts :)

z2•18m ago
I figure it's a matter of stacking/charging the laser in that loop with a lot of pulses, then letting that all out at once? Like, what if we shot pulses into the orbit of a mini black hole, but then managed to unwind it back out into a single direction?
ta1243•19m ago
The article said 2 Petawatts for 25 quintillionths of a second. That's about 50mJ.

That's about the amount of power used in your phone's flash when taking a picture, not a few seconds, but the LED being on for about 50-100 milliseconds.

owenversteeg•5m ago
Not sure if the article is accurate (the accuracy of numbers in written text took a nosedive concurrent with the rise of LLMs), but the capabilities page of the laser’s website claims 23 femtoseconds pulse duration, 2 PW power, 50 J energy, and 1 shot per minute. 50 J is roughly a 3W light for 15 seconds.

https://zeus.engin.umich.edu/about/capabilities/

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