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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

HermOS – a local-first AI agent IDE

https://hermos.is-a.dev/
1•WFekik•40s ago•0 comments

We tackled the blockchain trilemma with multi‑bucket parallelism (niumeta)

https://github.com/niumeta/niumeta
1•niumeta_TZ•1m ago•0 comments

Lyft Charged Me $150 for Vomiting in a Car, but I Didn't Do It

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/20/travel/lyft-cleaning-charge.html
1•lxm•4m ago•0 comments

Domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0B birds and 6.3–22.3B mammals annually

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380
2•agnosticmantis•6m ago•0 comments

Just finished building a security audit tool

1•AIwebPageSEO•9m ago•0 comments

Stay logged out of Reddit and keep the old.reddit.com layout. Beta testers plz

https://github.com/kookaburrabarrel/sheddit/
1•kookaburrabarre•9m ago•1 comments

The Airlink Embraers just flew dangerously low over DHL Stadium in Cape Town

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1w1pcbs/the_airlink_embraers_just_flew_dangerously_low/
1•mcapodici•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: RecQL – A portable query language for search and recommendation

https://github.com/recql
1•jonahharris•12m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Niu Lai Series Website

https://niulaify.com
1•bookbyter•13m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Shell utility for encrypting and decrypting files using scrypt

https://github.com/nodesocket/cryptr
1•nodesocket•14m ago•0 comments

Show HN: How to Fish Game Wiki

https://howtofish-game.org/
1•bookbyter•15m ago•0 comments

The Absurdity of Desktop Linux

https://www.augustl.com/blog/2026/absurdity-of-desktop-linux/
2•ingve•16m ago•0 comments

Copilot code review: Resolution reasons and expanded capabilities

https://github.blog/changelog/2026-08-27-copilot-code-review-resolution-reasons-and-expanded-capa...
1•kyisaiah47•25m ago•0 comments

Before NTP there were Time and Daytime

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/rfc-867-868-time/
1•ingve•29m ago•0 comments

The Shapes of Agent Memory – Files, Stores, and Experience

https://pinglin.tw/blog/the-shapes-of-agent-memory/
1•gmays•31m ago•0 comments

Special Is Optional

https://nik.art/special-is-optional/
2•herbertl•34m ago•0 comments

Creative Clarity

https://herbertlui.net/creative-clarity/
3•herbertl•35m ago•0 comments

Clips Kitty Open-source local AI video clipping and editing

https://github.com/ColinGPT9/clips-studio
1•ColinGPT•38m ago•1 comments

Understanding ChatGPT Work

https://simonwillison.net/2026/Aug/30/understanding-chatgpt-work/
14•gmays•41m ago•1 comments

Reimagine-it – redesign existing HTML from its own content (CLI)

https://github.com/Kayforkind/reimagine-it
1•kazimrmerchant1•46m ago•0 comments

PocketJS: UI runtime for every kind of computer

https://pocketjs.dev/
4•tomcam•1h ago•1 comments

Transitous – Community-run public transport routing service

https://transitous.org
2•rickcarlino•1h ago•0 comments

Learn about Meshtastic and Austin Mesh

https://www.austinmesh.org/about/
1•simonpure•1h ago•0 comments

Cursor launches Origin code hosting platform as GitHub outage exposes opening

https://venturebeat.com/infrastructure/cursor-launches-origin-code-hosting-platform-as-github-out...
2•gmays•1h ago•0 comments

Minutes to 33 Seconds

https://luca.lowndes.net/blog/bun-tests-10-minutes-to-33-seconds
2•lucalow•1h ago•0 comments

Sitegeist – The ultimate design extraction toolkit

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sitegeist/npgjkgkkjcbbafihmojgodekkfgnjgdc
2•BillyMangino•1h ago•0 comments

Gram Editor Release 3.3.0

https://gram-editor.com/posts/release-3.3.0/
2•signa11•1h ago•0 comments

Google Maps Changes Lake Ontario to 'Lake America' on US Phones

https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/6059553-google-maps-renames-lake-america/
6•LopRabbit•1h ago•0 comments

Armageddon by Anthropomorphism: On Security and the Frontier

https://hardcoresoftware.learningbyshipping.com/p/242-armageddon-by-anthropomorphism
2•jeffreyrogers•1h ago•0 comments

Is Japan backpedaling on its work-style reforms?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2026/08/30/japan/society/japan-work-life-overtime/
2•mikhael•1h ago•0 comments