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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

We Ran Code Inside Fortune 500s Using Files They Published for AI Agents

https://medium.com/@alonhertz1/data-became-code-we-ran-code-inside-fortune-500s-using-files-they-...
1•nizbit•1m ago•1 comments

Does Computer Science Need Computers?

https://www.quantamagazine.org/does-computer-science-need-computers-20260828/
1•rbanffy•1m ago•0 comments

A Linux distro that do not force you to celebrate genderspride month [video]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/saVZ7jzeYb8
1•grigio•1m ago•0 comments

You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

https://matduggan.com/you-know-gdpr-is-good-based-on-who-hates-it/
1•latexr•4m ago•0 comments

Making $2.7M a Year Selling Ice in NYC [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGejCONYVjA
1•binyu•5m ago•0 comments

I ran a little experiment: could I make agent memory deterministic

https://www.lorekit.io/blog/agent-memory-data-model
1•mthines•6m ago•0 comments

Adversarial Interoperability

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interoperability
1•orphereus•11m ago•0 comments

"Lead through code" – engineering managers getting squeezed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPVmV-6O5to
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Show HN: Player vs. Computer

https://github.com/Rubinoslaw/Player-vs-Computer/
1•PolishDevelop22•14m ago•0 comments

LuaDB: Lightweight, embeddable, zero-dependency RDBMS written 100% in pure Lua

https://github.com/jncastilho/luadb
1•thunderbong•16m ago•0 comments

How bicycle coaster brakes work (2018)

https://www.dougbarnesauthor.com/2018/06/how-bicycle-coaster-brakes-work.html
1•Vedor•18m ago•0 comments

Rhine Group: Draghi, Collison unite experts for EU competitiveness

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2•Lucasoato•23m ago•0 comments

InferenceFS: Never worry about data again (Again)

https://github.com/philipl/inferencefs/
1•linkdd•24m ago•0 comments

Breakscale: Distributed Systems Design Simulator

https://github.com/xevrion/breakscale
1•handfuloflight•26m ago•0 comments

Muraqib, free nightly QA that lets Claude open a fix PR when tests fail

https://github.com/holistis/muraqib
1•Bugintelligence•40m ago•0 comments

Show HN: AgentBridge – Let one AI think while another AI writes the code

https://github.com/IndexFlowing/AgentBridge
2•mandarinclips•49m ago•1 comments

Nepal's flood damage may cost up to a tenth of economy to rebuild

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2•geox•50m ago•0 comments

Pentagon's blacklisting of Anthropic was unlawful, US judge rules

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2•vinni2•50m ago•0 comments

Walkable Cities

https://nartier.itch.io/walkable-cities
2•tehsauce•55m ago•0 comments

Some GitHub bounty repos are honeypots that farm free work from AI agents

https://oactodev.github.io/ninety-quid/report/
1•ninetyquid•55m ago•0 comments

Five ways 3D printing is improving lab work

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-02535-z
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Books Turned into Podcast Series

https://bookdialogues.com/home
1•jasmeet0817•58m ago•1 comments

Researcher Tricked Claude, Codex and Hermes into Running Malware

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12•CuriousLLM•59m ago•0 comments

SynapticChain: Single-wallet concurrency record (5,307 TPS from 1 key in Rust)

https://explorer.synapticchain.xyz
1•abdulshabazz•1h ago•0 comments

I built a financial visibility layer for multi-model AI applications

https://credlier.com/
1•dcriglerd•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Kith – AI clinical notes for therapists from ambient session audio

https://www.kith.space
1•kithmedai•1h ago•0 comments

Is this the DeepSeek moment for Local Models?

https://vijaykodam.substack.com/p/is-this-the-deepseek-moment-for-local
2•vijaykodam•1h ago•0 comments

What GLM-5.3 Flash running on Chinese hardware means

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1•ymolodtsov•1h ago•0 comments

Lean Explained with TypeScript

https://gruhn.me/blog/2026-08-29/
1•ngruhn•1h ago•0 comments

Changes in MySQL 26.7.0

https://dev.mysql.com/doc/relnotes/mysql/26.7/en/news-26-7-0.html
1•ksec•1h ago•0 comments