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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Show HN: Celorga – A portable re-implementation of Org for you and your agents

https://github.com/aviaviavi/celorga
1•aviaviavi•56s ago•0 comments

DeepSeek banned from U.S. federal civilian agencies under new DHS order

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2026-21447.pdf
2•cmrdporcupine•2m ago•0 comments

Microsoft pulls out of UK's largest AI data centre

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9m26kl5y7epo
1•HatchedLake721•3m ago•0 comments

Indians' rights have been chipped away for decades

https://www.economist.com/asia/2026/10/18/indians-rights-have-been-chipped-away-for-decades
1•privacyishuman•6m ago•0 comments

Vendor Hooks in the Android Kernel

https://lwn.net/Articles/1098493
1•hn9zmdcaou•7m ago•0 comments

Components Are Dead; and Now for Something Different

https://www.wix.engineering/post/components-are-dead-and-now-for-something-completely-different
1•yoava•7m ago•0 comments

AI and the future of human made music (2023)

https://www.furious.com/perfect/artificialintelligencemusic.html
1•LichenStone•8m ago•1 comments

Lessons Learned building an MCP proxy that acts as a behavioral firewall

https://wiki.alcidesfonseca.com/blog/lessons-learned-building-fronteira/
1•alcidesfonseca•9m ago•0 comments

Japanese TV Station Interviews Americans About Their Love for Kei Trucks

https://www.thedrive.com/news/japanese-tv-station-interviews-americans-about-their-love-for-kei-t...
1•cf100clunk•10m ago•0 comments

Pentulive (Puppy Live) [video]

https://yle.fi/t/18-332106/fi
1•NaOH•10m ago•0 comments

Check if AI crawlers are blocked by your robots.txt – free tool

http://crawl-check.user-sentry.com/
1•soloviber•11m ago•0 comments

Magnetic Declination

https://www.magnetic-declination.com/
1•jacquesm•12m ago•0 comments

Dungeon Generation in the Gnomish Mines of NetHack

https://www.boristhebrave.com/2026/10/18/dungeon-generation-in-the-gnomish-mines-of-nethack/
2•ibobev•12m ago•0 comments

US Rep proposes bill to give video game buyers "ownership," not "a license"

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2026/10/us-rep-proposes-bill-to-give-video-game-buyers-ownership-n...
2•jaredwiener•13m ago•0 comments

Monopoly Round-Up: Goodbye AI Bubble, Hello Real Economy

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/monopoly-round-up-pop-the-damn-ai
1•PaulHoule•13m ago•0 comments

Chain of Thought for Humans

https://www.boristhebrave.com/2026/10/18/chain-of-thought-for-humans/
1•ibobev•13m ago•0 comments

Rioters loot stores, set fires in central Milan during cost-of-living protest

https://apnews.com/article/italy-milan-riots-living-costs-aada57790a8d2d3c02ab55911b9ecead
2•aliasxneo•13m ago•0 comments

Now You're Cooking – Announce Postmortem

https://gamesbymason.com/blog/2026/nyc-announce-postmortem/
1•ibobev•13m ago•0 comments

Fans/users replaced by bots. Anybody worried?

1•joaquieneCnix•14m ago•1 comments

Contextbridge-AI

https://github.com/mujtabamisri/contextbridge-ai
1•mujtabamisri•16m ago•0 comments

AI companies are coming for the plumbers

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-lab-offers-free-plumbing-an...
15•whatdowecallu•16m ago•8 comments

Are Countries with Lower Inequality More Altruistic?

https://www.nominalnews.com/p/lower-inequality-altruism-selfishness
1•NomNew•16m ago•0 comments

Distributed AI Models

https://dismodels.com/tutorials
2•agentsocializer•17m ago•0 comments

A Chinese rocket deorbited over Minnesota and left this in a farmer's cornfield

https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/10/a-chinese-rocket-deorbited-over-minnesota-and-left-this-in-...
1•tatersolid•18m ago•0 comments

Boxer – A lightweight 2D game library in C (WIP)

https://github.com/n67094/boxer
1•n67094•18m ago•0 comments

Launch HN: Laminar (YC S24) – We trained a model to catch silent agent failures

6•skull8888888•19m ago•0 comments

Is Entry Level Dead?

https://seeglassbox.com/market/entry-level-software/is-entry-level-dead
1•muturii•20m ago•0 comments

Tinycast

https://github.com/abue-ammar/tinycast
1•chrkl•22m ago•1 comments

Aesthetic Compass: mapping an art portfolio on two aesthetic axes

https://teia.cafe/dashboard/sample/
1•ryangtanaka_tei•22m ago•0 comments

Terra Incognita: The Economics of a Shrinking World [pdf]

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jesusfv/Demographics.pdf
1•mooreds•24m ago•0 comments