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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Nvidia Starts Pac as AI Chip Maker Builds DC Influence Force

https://news.bgov.com/bloomberg-government-news/nvidia-starts-a-pac-as-ai-chip-maker-buids-influe...
1•rarisma•18s ago•0 comments

Danrh: A blog won't give you an edge anymore

https://danrh.net/posts/2026-05-18-a-blog-is-not-enough/
1•speckx•49s ago•0 comments

Blogging with (Actual) Paper

https://jhuleatt.com/posts/blogging-with-actual-paper/
1•jhuleatt•52s ago•0 comments

Show HN: Husk a Local-first, open-source, security scanner

https://husk-security.dev/
1•PatrikTang•1m ago•0 comments

The Caped Billboard Bandit of Chicago

https://slate.com/life/2026/07/chicago-superheroes-smoking-cigarettes-black-americans.html
1•bryanrasmussen•1m ago•0 comments

In Hilbert Space, All Things Are Quantumly Possible – Charlie Wood, Quanta

https://www.quantamagazine.org/in-hilbert-space-all-things-are-quantumly-possible-20260826/
1•unprovable•1m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Easily deploy vibecode apps through MCP

https://zerolith.io/
1•yojukawa•2m ago•0 comments

A Fetishist's Guide to the Monochrom (Part 1) (2012)

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1•multisport•4m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Z, minimal agentic harness for engineers that just works

https://github.com/computerex/z
1•computerex•6m ago•0 comments

Aether – live visual su Mac. Create what you hear

https://centroscs.it/pages/aether.php
1•mkovideolab•7m ago•1 comments

Y Combinator's Ankit Gupta faces backlash over H-1B comments

https://americanbazaaronline.com/2026/08/27/y-combinators-ankit-gupta-faces-backlash-over-h-1b-co...
2•Tabular-Iceberg•9m ago•0 comments

Temporal at Loop

https://www.loop.com/engineering-blog/temporal-at-loop---evolution-and-scaling
1•vzhou842•9m ago•0 comments

The AI 'Ghosts' Contaminating Academic Publishing

https://www.404media.co/the-ai-ghosts-contaminating-academic-publishing/
1•saikatsg•9m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Memorial for Athena Strand. She will always be remembered

https://athena-strand.org
2•computerex•11m ago•1 comments

Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ady4523
1•slantedview•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Collaborate with your team on Claude and ChatGPT artifacts

https://www.valet.dev/blog/your-agent-is-only-the-first-collaborator
2•miradu•12m ago•0 comments

Launch of Biological Data Center Prototype in Singapore

https://medicine.nus.edu.sg/news/nus-medicine-dayone-and-cortical-labs-unveil-biological-data-cen...
2•tow21•13m ago•0 comments

Data Became Code: We Ran Code Inside Fortune 500s

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2•jonbaer•14m ago•0 comments

Pushing GPT-5.6 Luna from 0% to 56% on ARC-AGI-3 Public

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3•antinucleon•15m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Interactive SDP Explainer for WebRTC, Sip, and RTSP

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YAMLx

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Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

https://twitter.com/Google/status/2093008576487072064
3•saretup•17m ago•0 comments

Trump Signs Order Renaming Lake Ontario as 'Lake America' in the US

https://apnews.com/article/lake-ontario-canada-america-trump-trade-war-3ac58dca0ca83c15605d4dbff1...
6•olalonde•17m ago•0 comments

Most of U.S. aluminum comes from Canada. Industry says 'good luck' replacing it

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/2026/08/26/most-us-aluminum-comes-from-canada-as-industry-sa...
1•geox•17m ago•1 comments

Meta seems happy to pay a landmark legal settlement

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/08/meta-kids-social-media-settlement/688420/
1•fortran77•18m ago•1 comments

FAA Found LGA Air-Traffic Controllers Left Work Early Before Deadly Collision

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/faa-found-laguardia-air-traffic-controllers-left-work-early...
3•impish9208•20m ago•2 comments

I measured what my Claude.md, skills and hooks are worth

https://github.com/jameskomo/config-drift-checker
4•smartwordworld•22m ago•1 comments

Lp0 on Fire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire
2•EndXA•22m ago•0 comments

More employers are dropping the largest PBMs

https://www.axios.com/2026/08/12/more-employers-are-dropping-the-largest-pbms
2•toomuchtodo•23m ago•0 comments

Reservoir: The Design System of the NYPL

https://nypl.github.io/nypl-design-system/reservoir/v4/
3•willmeyers•23m ago•1 comments