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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Crawlie Cloud: monitoring for your marketing sites SEO and GEO (+ MCP server)

https://crawlie.dev/
1•seandotexe•1m ago•1 comments

Skillgrade: "Unit tests" for your agent skills

https://github.com/mgechev/skillgrade
1•handfuloflight•1m ago•0 comments

AI Fiction Is Easy to Detect Because It's Stupid and Bad, Research Finds

https://www.404media.co/ai-fiction-is-easy-to-detect-because-its-stupid-and-bad-research-finds/
1•cdrnsf•1m ago•0 comments

The Frank Zappa Interview That Still Feels [?] Today (1984) [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUJ9aFS2GbA
1•mdp2021•1m ago•0 comments

Clojure FFI layer for libgdx-core

https://github.com/damn/com.badlogic.gdx/tree/main
1•resatori•3m ago•0 comments

All you never wanted to know about corporate bond market issuance

https://www.ft.com/content/47a66129-548e-45c6-8855-0691616e92da
1•JumpCrisscross•7m ago•0 comments

Package Management as Org Chart

https://nesbitt.io/2026/07/10/package-management-as-org-chart.html
1•zaik•7m ago•0 comments

AI developers are buying up old books in Germany in large numbers

https://logos-pres.md/en/news/ai-developers-are-buying-up-old-books-in-germany-in-large-numbers/
1•koeploade•8m ago•0 comments

iPod: No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame. (2001)

https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod
1•simonebrunozzi•8m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Spacemap.co – A 3D, real-time, real-scale map of the solar system

https://spacemap.co/b/399/Earth
1•juliie•9m ago•0 comments

I think I was part of a model distillation attack

https://sebastianmarines.com/post/i-think-i-was-part-of-a-model-distillation-attack/
1•marinesebastian•11m ago•0 comments

Is OpenRouter miss pricing GPT 5.6 models?

https://openrouter.ai/models
1•tmaly•12m ago•2 comments

Announcing Linkwarden 2.15

https://linkwarden.app/blog/releases/2.15
1•daniel31x13•16m ago•0 comments

Welcome back, cable? Netflix could be getting live TV

https://www.neowin.net/news/welcome-back-cable-netflix-could-be-getting-live-tv/
1•bundie•17m ago•0 comments

Tempolocus looks at time-series activity patterns to infer a location

https://github.com/ail-project/tempolocus
1•adulau•19m ago•0 comments

The Game Disc May Be Dying and I Think I'm Okay with It

https://www.zenofdesign.com/the-game-disc-may-be-dying-and-i-think-im-okay-with-it/
3•speckx•20m ago•0 comments

Karmic Predicament

https://www.guidavid.com/writing/karmic-predicament
1•gdss•21m ago•0 comments

GPT-5.6 Sol Wrote a 50k-Word Novella in 8 Hours

https://gamecult.org/Blog/gpt-5-6-sol-wrote-a-50000-word-novella-in-8-hours
1•pixelbro•21m ago•1 comments

Don't discontinue Gemini 2.5 Flash

https://discuss.ai.google.dev/t/please-dont-discontinue-gemini-2-5-flash/174246
2•NickDob•26m ago•0 comments

Streaming Taylor Swift on Mac OS 9 via Gopher

https://debene.dev/posts/casquinha-macos9/
2•fdebene•26m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Cactus v2 – On-device AI with cloud fallback

1•rshemet•29m ago•0 comments

Book Summaries

https://brettfisher.dev/posts/book-summaries/
1•fisher-brett•30m ago•0 comments

Superfile: Terminal File Manager

https://superfile.dev/
1•thunderbong•34m ago•0 comments

The oceans are full of heat, and it's coming ashore

https://grist.org/climate/heatwaves-oceans-record-temperatures-el-nino/
1•speckx•34m ago•0 comments

Show HN: chwire – Native-Format ClickHouse JavaScript Client over HTTP/TCP

https://github.com/maxjustus/chwire
1•maxjustus•35m ago•0 comments

Guy is banned by OpenAI for cyber abuse, his AI appeals, another AI approves it

https://twitter.com/endpointarena/status/2075245286339846145
3•binyu•36m ago•2 comments

An OpenAI model crushed top human programmers at a world coding competition

https://www.understandingai.org/p/an-openai-model-crushed-top-human
1•speckx•41m ago•2 comments

Do Smart Glasses Have a Surveillance Problem?

https://www.vogue.com/article/do-smart-glasses-have-a-surveillance-problem
2•cdrnsf•43m ago•0 comments

Casual Viewing: Why Netflix looks like that (2025)

https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/
1•zem•45m ago•0 comments

An Update on the scraper situation

https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1080822/990a8a5e2d379085/
5•chmaynard•48m ago•1 comments