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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Vibe coding made writing cheap. It made reading expensive

https://blog.crossui.com/2026/09/vibe-coding-made-reading-expensive
1•linb•54s ago•0 comments

Everything Everywhere All At Once was edited on an old iMac (2022)

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/everything-everywhere-all-at-once-editor-interview
2•asimovDev•3m ago•0 comments

Has the DVD-hacking case made a t-shirt illegal? (2000)

https://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/09/08/decss.shirt.idg/index.html
1•1970-01-01•4m ago•0 comments

A meta-analysis of 3 different notions of software complexity

https://typesanitizer.com/blog/complexity-definitions.html
1•harperlee•4m ago•0 comments

SoapUI: The Most Popular API Testing Tool

https://www.soapui.org/tools/soapui/
1•janandonly•5m ago•0 comments

AI Agents Aha Moment

https://k1024.org/posts/2026/2026-09-06-ai-agents-aha/
1•edward•8m ago•0 comments

Could life exist on Venus? Peptides survive harsh acid

https://www.universetoday.com/articles/could-life-exist-on-venus-peptides-survive-harsh-acid
2•Betelbuddy•9m ago•0 comments

The Shortest IPv6 Addresses

https://ache.one/notes/vanity-ipv6
1•torutofu•9m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Rucc – C compiler in Rust, now compile and run SQLite

https://github.com/tamnd/rucc/pull/624
1•tamnd•11m ago•0 comments

Sound Could Make Sense of Big Data

https://spectrum.ieee.org/data-sonification-stephen-roddy
1•pseudolus•12m ago•0 comments

Guest Terminal:~$

https://i.xiaohan.dev/
2•Bluestein•12m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: 3.5 inch diskette read errors, would a period correct drive do better?

2•rietta•13m ago•0 comments

Room and Pillar Mining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_and_pillar_mining
1•simonebrunozzi•13m ago•0 comments

The next valuable file on your computer won't contain your work

https://tansei.io/blog/ai-agent-skills-workflows-as-files
1•Pooja_Tansei•13m ago•0 comments

Pinch Points – a Rust game with crabs

https://agourlay.github.io/pinch-points-a-rust-game-with-crabs/
1•agourlay•14m ago•1 comments

lsfg-vk v2.0.0

https://lsfg-vk.dev/blog/release-v2.0.0/
1•ErenayDev•17m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Neuro, a compiled language for AI that matches Clang -O2

https://github.com/PanzerPeter/Neuro
1•PanzerPeter•17m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A brainstorm canvas with no back end, running on Chrome's on-device AI

https://idea.xiaohan.dev
1•hanstyle•18m ago•0 comments

A Modest Proposal

https://systemsapproach.org/2026/09/07/a-modest-proposal/
2•teleforce•20m ago•0 comments

De-Brainrot Vacations

https://devz.cl/posts/i-spent-my-vacations-de-brainrotting/
55•DanielVZ•22m ago•10 comments

Show HN: BorderCut – Remove image backgrounds locally in 8 kB, without ML

https://github.com/kong75/bordercut
2•kong75•22m ago•1 comments

Nuxt co-creator Alexandre Chopin joins Encore

https://encore.dev/blog/alexandre-chopin-joins-encore
2•machekb•22m ago•0 comments

Splash-free urinals for global sustainability and accessibility

https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/4/4/pgaf087/8098745?login=false
33•u1hcw9nx•23m ago•7 comments

Show HN: The Analyst (A data science analytics simulator)

https://theanalyst.dev
1•Stuart_Jones•24m ago•0 comments

The Year Finding and Exploiting Bugs Became Cheap, and What to Do About It

https://blog.zksecurity.xyz/posts/the-year-finding-bugs-became-cheap/
2•vons•24m ago•0 comments

Does this machine make life easier?

https://www.willpatrick.co.uk/articles/does-this-machine-make-life-easier/
3•willpatrick•25m ago•0 comments

Children Tracking Parents

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2026/09/07/parents-are-tracking-their-kids-kids-are-tracking...
1•bookofjoe•27m ago•1 comments

The volunteers risking their lives to defuse Indonesia's wildfire 'carbon bombs'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kx4lgy4z4o
1•blondie9x•29m ago•0 comments

The UK origins of the Slovenian "Partner" 80s microcomputer's case

https://www.racunalniski-muzej.si/en/the-origins-of-partners-computer-case/
4•markostamcar•30m ago•1 comments

Ask HN: When will the war in Ukraine end?

2•roschdal•31m ago•0 comments