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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Exploring Super-Agent Design: Towards a More Autonomous Agent System

https://twitter.com/DeepSeekHarness/status/2116857257245987236
1•pretext•9s ago•0 comments

Brazilian lawyers fined $16K for hiding a prompt injection in a court filing

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/brazilian-lawyers-busted-for-a...
1•entryleveljobsc•1m ago•0 comments

Ransomware gang bypassed AI guardrails by posing as red-team testers

https://www.sophos.com/en-us/blog/ai-used-in-aur0ra-ransomware-testing-and-execution
1•khalidkhair•3m ago•0 comments

The Abandoned PR Page

https://aictrl.dev/blog/open-source-review-ai-era
1•zomtorg•4m ago•0 comments

More than 300 arrests at Palestine Action support protest outside US embassy

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98rz23ed781o
2•onemoresoop•4m ago•0 comments

From AGI to ASI

https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.12683
1•CharlesW•6m ago•0 comments

A World of Warcraft guild for tech workers

https://unplanned-downtime.com/
1•jdpigeon•7m ago•0 comments

Parallel and distributed programming for Lean using composable monadic programs

https://github.com/palladin/lean-cloud
1•andsoitis•7m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Amidumb – scores how you direct Claude Code and Codex, from local logs

https://github.com/jjinendra3/amidumb
1•jjinendra3•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Say Cheese Game Hub – Roblox endings, board-game solver

https://saycheesegame.org/
1•fireflywedding•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Folio Refresh, a Mac Duplicate Photo Cleaner for Lightroom/Capture One

https://caddora.ie/folio
1•mactifosi•12m ago•0 comments

End-to-End Learning of Hierarchical World Models for Visual Planning

https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.06805
1•andsoitis•12m ago•0 comments

Scaling Agentic Coding as If People Still Mattered

https://adamtornhill.substack.com/p/scaling-agentic-coding-as-if-people
1•kamyarg•12m ago•0 comments

Symplectic Latent Dynamics for World Models

https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.15267
1•andsoitis•13m ago•0 comments

MiniCPM-OCR 1.0: 1.3B open model scores 93.68 on Real5-OmniDocBench

https://huggingface.co/openbmb/MiniCPM-OCR-1.0
1•wondersky•14m ago•0 comments

Sell a developer problem that LLM's can't solve?

1•campervans•16m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Mantissa – a distributed scheduler and container orchestrator

https://github.com/MantissaLabs/mantissa
1•abronan•17m ago•1 comments

Ingetrazo v0.6 (GPL Python/Qt SketchUp Clone with OpenSKP Integration)

https://ingetrazo.com/en/
1•tannhaeuser•17m ago•0 comments

How to Prove What Your AI Agent Did – ZizkaDB's Two GitHub Actions

https://medium.com/@MirArshadTalpur/how-to-prove-what-your-ai-agent-did-in-minutes-zizkadbs-two-g...
1•Arshad-Talpur•20m ago•0 comments

Course Feedback as a Measure of Teaching Effectiveness

https://evals.stanford.edu/evaluating-teaching/course-feedback-measure-teaching-effectiveness
1•Betelbuddy•21m ago•0 comments

AirPano

https://www.airpano.com/
2•bookofjoe•23m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Mwmbl Index Dumps

https://mwmbl.org/dumps
1•daoudc•24m ago•0 comments

Ant: Can unprecedented revenue growth outrun irresponsibly large investment

https://leonlins.com/writing/anthropic_ipo
3•avoidboringppl•29m ago•0 comments

Polybius – The Video Game That Doesn't Exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7X6Yeydgyg
1•CharlesW•31m ago•0 comments

Did Anthropic value itself at $1.2T in August?

https://www.ft.com/content/60fb40ed-f1bf-416e-982b-1b9b80582ab4
4•Betelbuddy•31m ago•1 comments

Why Design in the 1980s Looked So Weird and Why It's Relevant Today [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zVQ_SibpyM
1•ViktorRay•31m ago•0 comments

RPG Mapper – Mapping Software for Classic RPGs and Tabletop Adventures

https://www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?t=3077
1•erickhill•32m ago•0 comments

Shrinking NixOS RAM footprint and resource requirements to the bare minimum

https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/11543/shrinking-nixos-ram-footprint-and-resource-requirements...
3•birdculture•33m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Bowerbird – Open-source NotebookLM for any model, with checked quotes

https://github.com/jolovicdev/bowerbird
2•yolovich•33m ago•0 comments

Parts of Northwestern Ontario Moving to Permanent Daylight Saving Time

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1008130/ontario-moving-to-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-pa...
2•geox•36m ago•0 comments