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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

NASA's New $4B Space Telescope Just Saw Starlight for the First Time

https://gizmodo.com/nasas-new-4-billion-space-telescope-just-saw-starlight-for-the-first-time-her...
1•gmays•1m ago•0 comments

What Happens When the Model Eats the Stack?

http://muratbuffalo.blogspot.com/2026/09/what-happens-when-model-eats-stack.html
2•mark4•2m ago•0 comments

EU Tech Push Boosts Ultrafast Laser Startups

https://spectrum.ieee.org/ultrafast-lasers-europe
1•maxall4•2m ago•0 comments

Wiring memory into an agent costs tokens every turn. This one earned it back

https://vshulcz.github.io/deja-vu/guide/day-zero.html
1•vshulcz•2m ago•0 comments

Europe Must Choose Between Power and Dependence

https://slavoj.substack.com/p/europe-must-choose
1•vincvinc•4m ago•0 comments

Mathematics in the Age of AI Oracles [pdf]

https://colala.berkeley.edu/papers/piantadosi2026mathematics.pdf
2•pharmacy7766•4m ago•0 comments

CVE-2026-91766: PHP had the redirect credential leak curl fixed in 2018

https://daubois.dev/blog/cve-2026-91766-php-http-redirect-credential-leak/
2•amvalex•6m ago•1 comments

LinkedIn wins court order blocking mass scraping of user data

https://therecord.media/linkedin-wins-court-order-blocking-mass-scraping
2•ilamont•8m ago•0 comments

Megafauna Extinction and Startups

https://johnjwang.com/post/2026/09/23/megafauna-extinction-and-startups
1•johnjwang•8m ago•0 comments

Discovering and exploiting a remote code execution vulnerability in OpenCode

https://securitylabs.datadoghq.com/articles/opencode-upgrade-remote-code-execution/
2•meetpateltech•11m ago•0 comments

Chicago No. 1

https://dynamicallytyped.org/typewriters/176
2•Bluestein•11m ago•0 comments

Oracle invokes force majeure on New Mexico AI data center

https://qz.com/oracle-force-majeure-new-mexico-ai-data-center-092426
2•dgellow•12m ago•0 comments

Making the case for Ed Zitron as the last of the great bloggers

http://observationalepidemiology.blogspot.com/2026/09/i-think-you-can-make-case-that-ed.html
3•bediger4000•13m ago•0 comments

I Have a Confession: I Built This Site with AI – Please Forgive Me

https://dynamicallytyped.org/blog/i-have-a-confession-i-built-this-site-with-ai
3•joelberger•16m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Timebar, a Mac timer shown as a thin line below the menu bar

https://github.com/velvet-shark/timebar
1•sabon•17m ago•1 comments

Pixel Composer: Node based VFX compositor for pixel art

https://pixel-composer.com/
1•epestr•18m ago•0 comments

The Medicaid Work Requirement's Gambling Loophole

https://www.aei.org/commentary/the-medicaid-work-requirements-gambling-loophole/
1•mooreds•19m ago•0 comments

Null, a Skill and a Blog Post

https://probablyfine.dev/blog/why-i-created-null
2•maxfieldallison•19m ago•1 comments

Nikon Made a $1,400 Full-Frame Camera for Gen Z and I Might Be Too Old for It

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nikon-made-a-1400-full-frame-camera-for-gen-z-and-i-might-be-too-old-for
2•PaulHoule•19m ago•1 comments

The Geography of Bear Attacks [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qG5nrkkz1E
1•mooreds•19m ago•0 comments

QR Codes That Route to the Appropriate App Store

https://matthuggins.com/blog/posts/qr-codes-that-route-to-the-appropriate-app-store
3•matthuggins•20m ago•0 comments

Why Influence Is Deeply Human

https://letters.unchartedpathbreakthroughs.com/posts/why-influence-is-deeply-human
1•mooreds•20m ago•0 comments

GitHub has not removed malicious imitation software after 3 weeks

https://successfulsoftware.net/2026/09/24/github-has-not-removed-malicious-imitation-software-aft...
6•hermitcrab•20m ago•0 comments

Nine countries without internet that never disconnected

https://observedstate.com/en/cases/ioda-probe-contrast.html
2•xsofiaeven•20m ago•0 comments

The United States of Walmart, According to WiFi Data

https://ipinfo.io/blog/united-states-walmart-wifi-data
1•emot•22m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Scalar.dev – Python/SQLite server-rendered starter app, no build step

https://getscalar.dev/
1•felipeccastro•22m ago•0 comments

My obsession making native resolution PS2 emulation look good

https://themaister.net/blog/2026/05/09/emulating-old-junk-from-yesteryear-or-my-obsession-making-...
3•vient•23m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Trify3D – Compare AI 3D engines on one input and keep the best mesh

https://trify3d.com
2•lizoenn•23m ago•0 comments

AI Evals: Everything You Need to Know

https://hamel.dev/blog/posts/evals-faq/
2•tosh•24m ago•0 comments

Flip Fluid on Flip Dots

https://mitxela.com/projects/flipflip
1•bariumbitmap•24m ago•0 comments