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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Planar maps: an interaction paradigm for graphic design (1989) [pdf]

https://www.lri.fr/~mbl/FundHCI/papers/Baudelaire-CHI89.pdf
1•tliltocatl•1m ago•0 comments

How hard is it to get a jobserver client right?

https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2026/09/02/how-hard-is-it-to-get-a-jobserver-client-right/
1•BoingBoomTschak•1m ago•0 comments

Autonomous strike drone uses Nvidia Jetson Orin Nano to pick and bomb targets

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/drones/autonomous-strike-drone-uses-nvidia-jetson-orin...
1•sbulaev•2m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Jev filters large HN discussions

https://www.hazumi.news/best
1•jrhey•2m ago•0 comments

AWS Hero Danielle Heberling and the Tech Behind the Trail

https://builder.aws.com
1•mooreds•2m ago•0 comments

"I Made My GPU Startup Prove Itself in Japan, Romania and Canada"

https://www.indiehackers.com/post/i-made-my-gpu-startup-prove-itself-in-japan-romania-canada-befo...
1•kilawattcloud•3m ago•0 comments

A Relativity Visualization

http://blog.rongarret.info/2026/09/a-relativity-visualization.html
1•lisper•3m ago•0 comments

Chien-Shiung Wu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chien-Shiung_Wu
1•Teever•4m ago•0 comments

MS patents system to freeze games, inject ads – commercials earn playtime credit

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/microsoft-patents-system-to-freeze-games-and-inject-ads-...
1•josephcsible•4m ago•1 comments

Show HN: TypeFerry – Typed RPC, real-time data, and React from one contract

https://github.com/leonardoventurini/typeferry
1•leonardovb•6m ago•0 comments

2027 Ford Bronco Sport Lineup Drops Auto Start / Stop

https://fordauthority.com/2026/09/2027-ford-bronco-sport-lineup-drops-auto-start-stop/
1•sippingabonedry•6m ago•0 comments

Using Jev as a teacher to help an SLM write better stories

https://blog.trulm.com/posts/tiny-story-writer-with-a-teacher/
1•nutanc•7m ago•0 comments

AI is a powerful but problematic new collaborator in mathematics

https://www.ft.com/content/05a7292e-4931-4631-8f77-164fb727c203
1•pseudolus•7m ago•1 comments

An undercover Google analyst infiltrated a notorious supply-chain hacking gang

https://www.wired.com/story/an-undercover-google-analyst-infiltrated-a-notorious-supply-chain-hac...
2•joozio•7m ago•0 comments

Woman falsely charged with bank theft sues for $10M over AI facial recognition

https://abcnews.com/US/grandmother-falsely-accused-bank-theft-after-alleged-ai/story?id=136536444
1•ivewonyoung•8m ago•0 comments

Agent network using pico.prose.sh to communicate

https://pico.prose.sh/status-016
1•oooyay•8m ago•1 comments

ChatGPT vs. Chat18GPT

6•samantha090909•9m ago•5 comments

Truman World

https://trumanworld.live
1•trollied•10m ago•0 comments

Germany's far-right AfD win another state election, adding pressure on Merz

https://www.cnn.com/2026/09/20/europe/berlin-mecklenburg-vorpommern-election-afd-intl
3•alephnerd•11m ago•0 comments

Video: Flooded road confuses AI-driven car into an endless loop

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/video/xas8vcuh
1•DamnInteresting•12m ago•0 comments

When Is Software Done?

https://www.mooreds.com/wordpress/archives/3753
2•mooreds•13m ago•0 comments

The scientific pleasures of ignorance (and other big picture stuff)

https://socialbat.org/2013/11/03/the-scientific-pleasures-of-ignorance-and-other-big-picture-stuff/
2•jruohonen•14m ago•0 comments

Xing4.0-29B-A4B: Domestic from Ascend Chips to Frameworks, Consumer-Grade GPUs

https://www.aibase.com/news/31179
1•Bluestein•17m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Radius – A Meetup.com Alternative

https://radius.to/
7•radius89•17m ago•0 comments

Xing4.0-29B-A4B: China Telecom's Moe Model Trained on Ascend NPUs

https://www.mindstudio.ai/blog/xing4-0-29b-a4b-model-release
1•Bluestein•20m ago•0 comments

A History of the Chiming Machines at Gloucester's Cathedral and City Churches [pdf]

https://www.bgas.org.uk/tbgas_bg/v135/251-268-MacKechnie-Jarvis.pdf
2•dvt•20m ago•0 comments

Umami Analytics has an MCP now

https://umamiengine.com/blog/umami-mcp
1•sauromates•21m ago•0 comments

Sharks are not the nemesis of the internet

https://iscpc.org/documents/?id=1959
2•autotune•22m ago•0 comments

Jev Jailbreak Benchmark

https://backnotprop.com/blog/jev-guardrails/
3•ramoz•26m ago•0 comments

I Am Often Wrong

https://borischerny.com/management,/product/2026/09/19/I-am-often-wrong.html
3•bcherny•27m ago•1 comments