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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Patch the Planet – The Trail of Bits Blog

https://blog.trailofbits.com/2026/06/22/introducing-patch-the-planet/
1•janandonly•55s ago•0 comments

Terminal Setup for macOS: ZSH and Oh My Zsh

https://solomk.in/posts/terminal-configuration
1•ankitg12•1m ago•0 comments

Compaction Laundering:Provenance Destruction in Context-Compacting Coding Agents

https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.29869
1•ersinesen•2m ago•0 comments

ChatGPT Ads as over 100k advertisers have used the platform

https://openai.com/index/chatgpt-ads-expands-26-new-countries/
2•haebom•5m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A stateless MCP server over our docs – search, list_topics, get_article

https://chinaready.co/docs/api/
2•martinliucn•6m ago•0 comments

ZK-irp-firewall: Zero-knowledge invariant enforcement for AI agents

https://github.com/trenttrinder1111-byte/zk-irp-firewall
3•trenttrinder111•7m ago•0 comments

A Markdown File Should Just Open

https://joshuamorris.info/notes/2026/10/13/a-markdown-file-should-just-open/
5•TheWoollyBully•8m ago•1 comments

Halloween Gothic Reading Pathway

https://www.betterreads.dev/blog/halloween-gothic-pathway
2•zlu•12m ago•0 comments

AI Agent Observability with OpenTelemetry

https://signoz.io/blog/opentelemetry-ai-agent-observability/
7•dhruv_ahuja•13m ago•0 comments

They Want Your Blood

https://www.theverge.com/column/1015563/blood-death-clock-longevity-apps-health-tech
2•saikatsg•16m ago•0 comments

Show HN: no-fi – a linter for the ASCII wireframes agents draw

https://github.com/p-a-u-l-i-e/no-fi
1•PaulVanOijen•19m ago•0 comments

Turning IPv6 tunnels into programmable delay lines for pulsing DoS

https://blog.apnic.net/2026/10/22/turning-ipv6-tunnels-into-programmable-delay-lines-for-pulsing-...
1•frostbyte7•21m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Aw-1 – Deterministic AST circuit breaker and kernel jail for AI agents

https://github.com/MvikManners/aw1-circuit-breaker
1•MvikVela•21m ago•0 comments

Digital Hygiene (2025)

https://karpathy.bearblog.dev/digital-hygiene/
1•vinhnx•22m ago•0 comments

Claude Code install script is down

https://downloads.claude.ai/claude-code-releases/bootstrap.sh
2•sspross•25m ago•0 comments

Chasing a Flake into OpenSSL's GCM Kloak Path

https://getkloak.io/blog/the-h-that-wasnt-there/
1•neo2006•27m ago•0 comments

Enterprises keep buying software upgrades that IT thinks will make things worse

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2026/10/survey-enterprises-waste-28-percent-of-sof...
2•joozio•28m ago•0 comments

"Ignore the Slop"

https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/10/22/ignore-the-slop/
7•asimovDev•30m ago•0 comments

Accrescent: A novel Android app store focused on security, privacy and usability

https://accrescent.app/
1•teekert•33m ago•0 comments

Apple Ordered to Open iPhone to Rival App Stores in Australia

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-ordered-to-open-iphone-to-rival-app-stores-in-australi...
3•mjy78•35m ago•0 comments

As Politicians Argue About China, US Patients Find Cutting-Edge Treatment There

https://kffhealthnews.org/health-industry/china-cancer-drugs-foreign-travel-pharma-biotech-fda-re...
2•mathgenius•38m ago•0 comments

Show HN: git-found, fixes "Repository not found" with multiple GitHub accounts

https://github.com/advaith334/git-found
1•Advaith_12•39m ago•1 comments

Raycast Glaze

https://www.raycast.com/blog/meet-glaze
2•ankitg12•43m ago•0 comments

AI firms say UK has a year to head off datacentre protests

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/22/ai-firms-say-uk-has-a-year-to-head-off-datacentre...
3•beardyw•47m ago•1 comments

The CMS Isn't the Problem. The Boundary Is

https://compiledrogue.com/articles/the-cms-isnt-the-problem-the-boundary-is/
1•hypergeneric•50m ago•0 comments

Mortal Kompute

https://mortalkompute.xyz/
1•potatothrowings•54m ago•1 comments

IBM CEO says open weight models are now irresistibly good and cheap on-prem

https://www.theregister.com/systems/2026/10/22/ibm-ceo-says-open-weight-models-are-now-irresistib...
4•beardyw•57m ago•2 comments

AI revealed 400 years of seafaring history

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr93z9zq5l9jo
5•1659447091•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Kuron – An LLM acts as your app so you can try ideas before building

https://kuron.pages.dev/
1•kofdai•1h ago•0 comments

Samsamelo – Silicon Valley selling trolley problem lies [no link]

1•awbvious•1h ago•8 comments