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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•7mo ago

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tocs3•7mo ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

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https://old.reddit.com/r/Hugston/comments/1pw3oev/best_local_ai_apps_dec_2025_according_to/
2•trilogic•55s ago•1 comments

We log everything except the reason

https://www.sanju.sh/writings/capture-the-why
1•spikey_sanju•2m ago•1 comments

Asus ROG laptops are broken by design: a forensic deep dive

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/s/3hyqIHDd4n
1•pdpi•2m ago•0 comments

Laser-assisted 3D printing can fabricate thermoset-based electronics in seconds

https://techxplore.com/news/2025-11-laser-3d-fabricate-free-thermoset.html
1•PaulHoule•3m ago•0 comments

Nvidia CUDA Tile IR Open-Sourced

https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-CUDA-Tile-IR-Open-Source
1•rbanffy•5m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What information do you always wish you had when debugging a bugs?

1•nishilpatel•7m ago•0 comments

LLM Awards 2025: Based on Workflow, Value and Taste

https://apurva-mishra.com/posts/4/
1•mav3ri3k•8m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Vix.cpp v1.17.0 – Production-grade web back end examples in modern C++

1•gkirira•12m ago•0 comments

LearnixOS

https://www.learnix-os.com
2•gtirloni•14m ago•0 comments

Peter Naur's legacy: Mental models in the age of AI coding

https://www.nutrient.io/blog/peter-naur-legacy-mental-models-age-ai-coding/
1•code_myx•14m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What did you read in 2025?

9•kwar13•18m ago•0 comments

Yann LeCun: New Vision Language JEPA with Better Performance Than LLMs

https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.10942
2•bluedevilzn•19m ago•0 comments

New Linux Patches Improve ExFAT Read Performance via Multi-Cluster Mapping

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-exFAT-Reads-MC-Map
1•Bender•20m ago•0 comments

Remove CapCut Watermarks with AI – Build a Flicker-Free Inpainting System

https://blog.videowatermarkremove.com/remove-capcut-watermark-ai
1•ilmj8426•21m ago•0 comments

Humanoid robots are still novelty acts, but investment is surging make them real

https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/25/humanoid_robots_investment_surge/
1•Bender•23m ago•0 comments

3.5M Affected by University of Phoenix Data Breach

https://www.securityweek.com/3-5-million-affected-by-university-of-phoenix-data-breach/
2•Bender•24m ago•1 comments

Historical mysteries solved by science in 2025

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/23/science/historical-mysteries-solved-2025
1•giuliomagnifico•24m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Figma Alternative Free – [In Progress]

https://www.absl.design/
4•absolute7•27m ago•0 comments

Package managers keep using Git as a database, it never works out

https://nesbitt.io/2025/12/24/package-managers-keep-using-git-as-a-database.html
3•birdculture•27m ago•0 comments

Why international money transfers are more expensive than they look

https://idealremit.com
1•bk-mira•27m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Tiny-UUID – UUID v4 in 200 bytes. That's 40x smaller than UUID package

https://github.com/takawasi/tiny-uuid
1•takawasi•30m ago•0 comments

Transform sources into structured Data Tables in NotebookLM

https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2025/12/transform-sources-structured-data-tables-notebook...
1•gmays•31m ago•0 comments

Turning an old Amazon Kindle into a eInk development platform

https://blog.lidskialf.net/2021/02/08/turning-an-old-kindle-into-a-eink-development-platform/
1•fanf2•31m ago•0 comments

ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

https://community.openai.com/t/timestamps-for-chats-in-chatgpt/440107?page=3
19•Valid3840•34m ago•8 comments

Reverse API Engineer

https://github.com/kalil0321/reverse-api-engineer
2•handfuloflight•34m ago•0 comments

Nano Banana Pro is the best AI image generator, with caveats – Max Woolf's Blog

https://minimaxir.com/2025/12/nano-banana-pro/
1•rcarmo•37m ago•0 comments

Unix "find" expressions compiled to bytecode

https://nullprogram.com/blog/2025/12/23/
2•rcarmo•38m ago•0 comments

Donald Knuth's Annual Christmas Lecture 2025 – Adventures with Knight's Tours

https://online.stanford.edu/donald-e-knuth-lectures
1•vismit2000•42m ago•0 comments

Neuro‑IDE: Universal Kernel Cortex

1•neuro-os•43m ago•0 comments

GNU Mes and the Module System

https://ekaitz.elenq.tech/fasterMes5.html
1•todsacerdoti•45m ago•0 comments