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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Reconsidering My Relationship with the Fediverse

https://mijndertstuij.nl/posts/reconsidering-my-relationship-with-the-fediverse/
1•wseqyrku•3s ago•0 comments

Persistent Memory and Derived Context: A Two-Layer Pattern for Agents

https://blogs.oracle.com/developers/persistent-memory-and-derived-context-a-two-layer-pattern-for...
1•ankitg12•1m ago•0 comments

MCP in the Enterprise

https://medium.com/@parthmghayal/mcp-in-the-enterprise-0d40b64a866b
1•parthmghayal•2m ago•0 comments

"Build In Public" but how do you do it without making it a full-time job?

1•Amrani•3m ago•0 comments

You 're right to push back

https://anedelkos.eu/posts/agentic-disobedience/
2•andned•8m ago•0 comments

Cookies Became the Web's Memory

https://www.makonea.com/en-US/blog/how-cookies-became-the-web-s-memory
2•jdw64•8m ago•0 comments

Calculus-free PID almost in a spreadsheet

https://hackaday.com/2026/08/06/calculus-free-pid-almost-in-a-spreadsheet/
1•znpy•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Aident Loadout – connect Codex to real apps with 25000 actions

https://github.com/Aident-AI/aident-skill
2•luciana1u•13m ago•1 comments

MacGregor the Bridge Builder

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/macgregor-the-bridge-builder
1•Michelangelo11•14m ago•0 comments

Musk's new chip factory will cover 100M square feet

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/2085377974396752305
1•BlueBerry2001•15m ago•0 comments

AetherGrid – Distributed AI compute orchestration without K8s

https://github.com/wycliffRotich-dev/aethergrid
1•WycliffeRotich•18m ago•0 comments

Big Numbers

https://seneth.me/writings/big-numbers/
1•Seneth•18m ago•0 comments

CRTs and other ewaste can no longer be exported from the USA

https://twitter.com/techknight2/status/2085434346501001668
1•tosh•23m ago•0 comments

The AI slowdown is coming

https://www.transformernews.ai/p/the-ai-slowdown-is-coming
1•reasonableklout•25m ago•0 comments

The Event of 2033 – An AI-Imagined Second Coming

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0HCN65Q57
1•aimasterpiece•30m ago•0 comments

90 second power loss causing second day of train disruption

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwy0d0wgy4xt
2•rwmj•35m ago•1 comments

Why and how the Austrian Military moved to LibreOffice (Part 1)

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/08/07/why-and-how-the-austrian-military-moved-to-li...
5•mksaunders2•36m ago•0 comments

DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731: Is It Cheaper to Run It at Home or Pay per Token?

https://grigio.org/deepseek-v4-flash-0731-is-it-cheaper-to-run-it-at-home-or-pay-per-token/
1•grigio•37m ago•1 comments

All memory manufactured in 2027 has been sold out

https://www.ign.com/articles/ramageddon-continues-another-year-as-2027-memory-capacity-is-reporte...
10•inigyou•37m ago•0 comments

Is your Bitcoin seed safe after Coldcard accident? What about iancoleman/bip39?

https://grigio.org/is-you-bitcoin-seed-safe-after-coldcard-accident-what-about-iancoleman-bip39/
1•grigio•38m ago•1 comments

Truckslop

https://truckslop.joshu.dev/
1•tosh•38m ago•0 comments

Marque Terminal

https://marque.at/download
1•scanash00•41m ago•0 comments

The Ones Who Look Outward

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2026/08/06/the-ones-who-look-outward/
2•JPLeRouzic•42m ago•0 comments

Tsang Tsou-Choi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsang_Tsou-choi
1•bondarchuk•44m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Remembrane – agent memory in one SQLite file, zero dependencies

https://github.com/satyasairay/remembrane
3•satyasairay•44m ago•0 comments

Windows Tracks You with Hidden ID. We Built DeGDID to Block It

https://windscribe.com/blog/windows-tracks-you-with-a-hidden-id-so-we-built-degdid-to-block-it/
1•defrost•45m ago•0 comments

AI model achieves breakthrough in forecasting cyclones – Google DeepMind

https://deepmind.google/blog/weathernext-ai-model-achieves-breakthrough-in-forecasting-cyclones/
1•rbanffy•46m ago•0 comments

Operational Tropical Cyclone Forecasting with AI – Nature

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10953-2
1•rbanffy•47m ago•0 comments

Don't get rejected by Apple anymore

https://www.apprejectkit.com/guides/app-store-submission-checklist/
1•jonvolio•48m ago•0 comments

Show HN: CapyToolkit – Browser-native developer and hardware diagnostic tools

https://capytoolkit.com/
2•ChillyCapy•49m ago•0 comments