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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Manticore Search under systemd: beyond fork, PID files, and guesswork

https://manticoresearch.com/blog/systemd_integration/
1•snikolaev•1m ago•0 comments

A Fast Path for Fixed-Length Lists in Parquet

https://www.morling.dev/blog/fast-path-for-fixed-length-lists-in-parquet/
1•gunnarmorling•1m ago•0 comments

Proofs

https://home.omg.lol/info/proofs
1•Tomte•3m ago•0 comments

Wordit – Now in Pt-Br

https://wordit.org/pt-br/
1•atum47•6m ago•1 comments

Mac Studio: Should You Buy? Or Wait?

https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-studio/
1•adithyaharish•8m ago•1 comments

Electric aviation is taking off

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2026/07/22/electric-aviation-is-taking-off
1•Brajeshwar•8m ago•0 comments

I Had 11 AI Subagents Test Every PPTX Skill for Claude Code. Here's What Works

https://www.bulaev.net/p/i-had-11-ai-subagents-test-every
1•sbulaev•9m ago•0 comments

Show HN: blackbar-nano – local PII detection and redaction on CPU

https://github.com/safetype/blackbar-nano
1•My24HR•9m ago•0 comments

Launch HN: Unlayer (YC W22) – Add email and document builders to your app

https://unlayer.com
6•adeelraza•10m ago•1 comments

Denying the Worm

https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/blog/denying-the-worm-sandworm-mode-and-ai-toolchain-supply-cha...
1•yruzin•11m ago•0 comments

Intelligent MFA in FusionAuth: Smarter Security Without the Friction [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwVH_ODLIJU
1•mooreds•12m ago•0 comments

MySQL 9.7 Community Edition: Smarter Join Planning with the Hypergraph Optimizer

https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/smarter-join-planning-with-the-hypergraph-optimizer
1•ksec•12m ago•0 comments

Building the Grace Cathedral Experience

https://blog.playcanvas.com/building-the-grace-cathedral-experience/
1•ovenchips•14m ago•0 comments

Beyond Enumerable: Testing Membership with Bloom Filters

https://baweaver.com/writing/2026/07/20/beyond-enumerable-testing-membership-with-bloom-filters/
1•mooreds•15m ago•0 comments

OpenAI tries consulting – charging boots-on-the-ground prices to deploy agents

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/07/22/openai-tries-the-consulting-path-with-presence-c...
1•beardyw•16m ago•1 comments

GPS Week Number Rollover

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_week_number_rollover
1•mooreds•16m ago•0 comments

Selzix – Turn an Instagram handle into a functional online store in minutes

1•mahikmc•17m ago•0 comments

A Baby Saved 'Toy Story 2' from Near Complete Deletion (2021)

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/09/toy-story-2-saved-from-deletion-ks1/
1•downbad_•20m ago•1 comments

frontier AI labs lost the "deep research" frontier

https://andrewtrask.substack.com/p/6-weeks-ago-frontier-ai-labs-lost
1•williamtrask•20m ago•0 comments

Japanese security guard finds fame as designer of duct tape signs

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japanese-security-guard-finds-fame-designer-duct-tape-...
2•crescit_eundo•20m ago•0 comments

Plausibly Deniable Encryption (2020)

https://spacetime.dev/plausibly-deniable-encryption/
1•downbad_•20m ago•0 comments

Speeding incurs substantial environmental costs for negligible time savings

https://www.nature.com/articles/s44458-026-00100-3
3•hn_acker•20m ago•1 comments

Forget sovereign AI – the world needs business apps and datacenters

https://pluralistic.net/2026/07/22/table-flipper/#graveyard-of-indispensable-nations
1•joebuckwilliams•21m ago•0 comments

Buyer: eBay AI Pop-Ups Disrupt Shopping Experience

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/letters/blog.pl?/pl/2026/7/1784684738.html
1•ilamont•21m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Brew doctor` for Skills and MCP loadouts

https://github.com/dbreunig/drskill
1•dbreunig•21m ago•0 comments

FST 2.0 Is Live: The Trading Agent Era Begins Today

https://henryzhang.substack.com/p/fst-20-is-live-the-trading-agent
1•henryzhangpku•21m ago•0 comments

Got is a vsc which prioritizes ease of use and simplicity over flexibility

https://gameoftrees.org/index.html
1•NicoJuicy•21m ago•0 comments

Wreck of Pan Am plane found 74 years after crash

https://news.sky.com/story/wreck-of-pan-am-plane-found-74-years-after-crash-that-became-rallying-...
3•austinallegro•22m ago•0 comments

Show HN: AI resume spam ruined hiring so I built a tool to keep the bots out

https://permanym.com
2•romanhn•23m ago•0 comments

Unspun – plain-English audits of agency ad reports client-side

https://unspun.report/
2•hapawire•23m ago•0 comments