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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Torrents Through Mullvad on FreeBSD

https://www.frimin.fr/posts/torrents-through-mullvad/
1•gearnode•56s ago•0 comments

YouTube AV2 streams will be available for Web as soon as early 2027

http://aomedia.org/press%20releases/AOMedia-Rapid-AV2-Adoption-Across-the-Video-Ecosystem/
1•HelloUsername•1m ago•0 comments

KibernetykMono – A Geometric Monospace Typeface

https://pavlokilko.github.io/KibernetykMono/
1•thw_9a83c•2m ago•0 comments

The Inherent Hierarchy of Money (2012) [pdf]

https://sites.bu.edu/perry/files/2019/04/Mehrling_P_FESeminar_Sp12-02.pdf
1•mooreds•2m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Arc-decide – an MIT 0.4B decision model for RAG checks that runs on CPU

https://docs.docsgpt.cloud/Models/decision-model
1•alextttty•2m ago•0 comments

Anthropic's IPO filing shows explosive growth, risks and staggering costs

https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/anthropic-opens-books-ais-explosive-growth-staggering...
2•tartoran•3m ago•0 comments

Anthropic S-1: Inside the 335-page IPO plan

https://www.ft.com/content/4b2b9c0e-adfb-4362-800f-950f5b905984
1•Betelbuddy•3m ago•0 comments

R/open source just banned AI, non-English speakers, and more

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/1018217/reddit-opensource-ai-ban
1•isaacfrond•4m ago•0 comments

Mini: The Minimal Language

https://minilanguage.com/
2•surprisetalk•6m ago•0 comments

Show HN: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash-1017 Safety Evaluation

https://twitter.com/FangcunLeap/status/2114719692137136245
1•mayziem•7m ago•0 comments

Vegemite is not a human right

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/26/australia/prisoner-vegemite-rejected-judge-scli-intl
4•sumnole•9m ago•1 comments

Engineering Evolved. The Rest Didn't. That's Why Your AI ROI Sucks

https://kerno.io/blog/why-your-ai-roi-sucks/
1•karimtr•9m ago•0 comments

Show HN: ToiletBench - Can AI find the toilet without a sign?

https://behu-kea.github.io/toilet-bench/
2•RedGreenBlack•11m ago•0 comments

Identity Verification and Account Recovery

https://ciamweekly.substack.com/p/identity-verification-and-account
1•mooreds•11m ago•0 comments

Anthropic's prospectus: $16.3B in revenue and an $80.7B net loss in H1

https://fortune.com/2026/10/26/anthropics-s-1/
1•golfer•11m ago•0 comments

Brazil sees record fall in Amazon deforestation

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqe8rzg6zl00o
3•Faudgie•12m ago•0 comments

Help! I have a manager!

https://wizardzines.com/zines/manager/
1•mooreds•13m ago•0 comments

Will Fiber-Optic Cables Get Made in Orbit? Maybe

https://spectrum.ieee.org/zblan-fiber-optic-cables-iss
2•dverlaeckt80•14m ago•0 comments

Lighting the Skies

https://computer.rip/2026-10-25-searchlights.html
1•dverlaeckt80•14m ago•0 comments

Filing My Taxes for Free with AI

https://www.robw.fyi/2026/10/19/filing-my-taxes-for-free-with-ai/
2•someguy101010•14m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A desk gauge that shows how hot the Hacker News front page is

https://analoguedesk.co/blogs/news/idx-a-desk-gauge-that-reads-the-hacker-news-front-page
1•veldt•15m ago•0 comments

The Metaphysical Foundations of Conservatism (2021)

https://philarchive.org/archive/EDWTMF-3
1•danielam•16m ago•0 comments

UIMorph: One sentence to a clickable app, site, or game

https://uimorph.com/
1•AveryLinUI•17m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Vmctl – a small, dependency-free macOS/Linux VM supervisor in Swift

https://github.com/raugustinus/vmctl
1•raugustinus•17m ago•0 comments

Crypto Finds Its Ideal User: A Government with a Sanctions Problem

https://dsrupt.news/articles/crypto-finally-finds-its-ideal-user-a-government-with-a-sanctions-pr...
2•zippiest•19m ago•0 comments

Use Temporal Foundation Model to predict drawing

https://github.com/chuanqisun/timesdraw
1•low_tech_punk•19m ago•0 comments

MuscleMemory: Skills learned by Codex, reused by Claude Code

https://github.com/TheWariend/MuscleMemory
3•devthewariend•20m ago•0 comments

Whoops: Meta's Muse Share Links Disclosed All Sorts of Super-Sensitive User Data

https://www.techdirt.com/2026/10/26/whoops-metas-muse-share-links-disclosed-all-sorts-of-super-se...
1•cdrnsf•20m ago•0 comments

How I Work with Agents

https://x.com/thorstenball/article/2114386050638336082
3•iBelieve•20m ago•0 comments

More and more iOS apps are stuck In Review since weeks

https://developer.apple.com/forums/verify-human/verify.html?next=/forums/topics/app-store-distrib...
1•SunboX•21m ago•0 comments