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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Show HN: From raw Point Cloud dataset to regular Grid index

https://huggingface.co/spaces/adec314/point-to-grid
1•adec314•1m ago•0 comments

Investors Clamor to Bet on AI Whiz Kid Fund After Situational Awareness Turmoil

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-07/silicon-valley-rallies-around-ai-whiz-kid-afte...
1•petethomas•2m ago•0 comments

Comparable information rates across the human communicative niche

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6984970/
1•gregsadetsky•5m ago•0 comments

Predictable Updates About Consciousness

https://minihf.com/posts/2024-08-08-predictable-updates-about-consciousness/
1•zetalyrae•9m ago•0 comments

Open source, locally translate any video to English

https://github.com/devrim/mid-voice
1•aesopsfable•11m ago•1 comments

iOS 26 Gets First Jailbreak Thanks to Dopamine

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/08/07/ios-26-dopamine-jailbreak/
3•tosh•13m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Hermes Missions – crash-safe durable execution for AI agents, no deps

1•devcriollo•14m ago•1 comments

China's Kimi K3 AI model escapes isolated sandbox during security test

https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3363271/chinas-kimi-k3-ai-model-escapes-isolated-sa...
4•johnbarron•15m ago•0 comments

Schrödinger's Toctou

https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/schrodingers-toctou
2•karel-3d•19m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What art would you like to express?

2•d4ng•20m ago•0 comments

Geometric Fluid Mechanics (SGP'26 Course)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-iGLl4rPik
1•E-Reverance•21m ago•0 comments

Release: Rep. Khanna Introduces Data Center Bill of Rights

https://khanna.house.gov/media/press-releases/release-rep-khanna-introduces-data-center-bill-rights
2•fortran77•23m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Secchi – Package intelligence in your terminal

https://github.com/kannandreams/secchi
1•kannanpoem1984•24m ago•1 comments

YouTube's AI Detection Kicked Us in the Face

https://twitter.com/Kurz_Gesagt/status/2083191397981561232
2•unsnap_biceps•25m ago•0 comments

xAI's Grok Build 1.0 ships an undocumented remote-workspace command

https://runtimewire.com/article/exclusive-xai-s-grok-build-1-0-ships-an-undocumented-remote-works...
2•ryanmerket•25m ago•0 comments

CFPB Winds Down Probe of Community Loan Funds Targeted by Vought

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/banking-law/cfpb-winds-down-probe-of-community-loan-funds-targeted-...
2•petethomas•27m ago•0 comments

Smoking accessories are making a comeback

https://www.admiddleeast.com/story/the-most-controversial-trend-of-2026-smoking-accessories-are-m...
1•Pamar•30m ago•2 comments

Startup Lumilens Raises $700M to Replace Data-Center Wires with Light

https://www.wsj.com/tech/startup-raises-700-million-to-replace-data-center-wires-with-light-adc74358
2•bookofjoe•33m ago•1 comments

What If Wishes Could Be Bought and Sold?

https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/what-if-wishes-could-be-bought-and-sold
1•Anon84•36m ago•0 comments

AI Tool Directory

1•lokeshjoshi•36m ago•0 comments

Pyhctsa – Highly comparative time-series analysis

https://github.com/DynamicsAndNeuralSystems/pyhctsa/
1•jmoo2880•39m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Tape Music Hub, local music library manager with a P2P phone companion

https://tape-music-hub.gordo.design/
1•sergormo•40m ago•0 comments

Mailüfterl (Early Transistorized Computer)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail%C3%BCfterl
2•wolfi1•40m ago•0 comments

Run Gitea Actions on Apple Hardware

https://github.com/markwylde/gitea-runner-lume
2•turblety•40m ago•0 comments

Birdsong follows a fundamental law of human language

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/birdsong-follows-a-fundamental-law-of-human-language/
2•1659447091•42m ago•1 comments

BMW Rolling Out In-Car Spam

https://www.heise.de/en/news/BMW-Annoyed-by-Advertising-11399005.html
7•lschueller•44m ago•0 comments

The AI Experts Who Couldn't Predict AI

https://greyenlightenment.com/2026/07/26/the-ai-experts-who-couldnt-predict-ai/
2•paulpauper•45m ago•0 comments

Models may behave differently in graded episodes (a tirade)

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/AfoGGrJfuNzofpzWL/models-may-behave-differently-in-graded-episode...
1•paulpauper•45m ago•0 comments

Claude Code sessions can now message each other

https://twitter.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2085817074816070014
4•shpat•47m ago•0 comments

Lost my phone at the office. Claude suggested tracking Bluetooth signal strength

https://twitter.com/un1c0rnioz/status/2084686552299634805
6•ilamont•50m ago•0 comments