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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

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https://9to5mac.com/2026/09/30/apples-homepad-smart-home-hub-launching-on-oct-13-bloomberg/
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Let's Ditch Google (Verb)

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Arc UI

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Ask HN: Is there a market for AI critics?

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Ask HN: Do you even use Copilot? Why would someone prefer this to just ChatGPT?

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