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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Supplement that binds to microplastics may remove them from our body

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2580139-supplement-that-binds-to-microplastics-may-remove-th...
1•littlexsparkee•27s ago•0 comments

One probable outcome of an open-weight-model-dominant world is full AI communism

https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412?s=46
1•rvz•43s ago•0 comments

Databricks hits $188B valuation, extending its run as AI's favorite second act

https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/17/databricks-hits-188b-valuation-extending-its-run-as-ais-favorit...
2•Brajeshwar•3m ago•0 comments

Frame: A New X11 Server Implementation Written in x86_64 Assembly

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Frame-X11-Server-Assembly
2•Bender•3m ago•0 comments

Gnome OS Safe Mode Improving the System Reliability

https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-OS-Safe-Mode
2•Bender•4m ago•0 comments

Micro-drone achieves first insect kill on the way towards eradicating mosquitoes

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/drones/autonomous-micro-drone-achieves-first-air-to-ai...
1•rmason•5m ago•0 comments

North Sea hits record 20.4°C amid marine heat wave

https://nltimes.nl/2026/07/17/north-sea-hits-record-204degc-amid-marine-heat-wave
2•tcp_handshaker•6m ago•0 comments

How to Dox Anyone

https://xcancel.com/i/article/2073823066111590866
2•illliillll•6m ago•0 comments

SpaceX and the myth of independent Wall St research

https://www.ft.com/content/ce345155-d897-4f49-b7c8-13680e3b5434
4•JumpCrisscross•12m ago•0 comments

I wanna make $1M for a thousand indies

https://notes.erlend.sh/3mqvs3zg6zs26
2•erlend_sh•13m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Do you have any plan for post AGI?

4•hypefi•14m ago•5 comments

Sometimes the most resilient thing a system can do isn't retry

https://madflojo.substack.com/p/sometimes-the-most-resilient-thing
2•theanonymousone•15m ago•0 comments

A new wavelet codec for thumbnails/preview (200B–36KB)

https://github.com/lieff/miniwtpc
2•lieff•16m ago•2 comments

Relationships and Power in Startup Ecosystems (2019)

https://siliconhillslawyer.com/2019/02/18/relationships-and-power-startup-ecosystems/
1•robocat•16m ago•0 comments

Pull your calendar availability in 3 seconds

https://www.trytimely.co/
2•jketteringham•16m ago•1 comments

The Camden Fourteen – Identifying America's First Veterans

https://fhdforensics.com/camden-burials-identifications/
1•rmason•24m ago•1 comments

Wp2shell: Pre Authentication RCE in WordPress Core

https://slcyber.io/research-center/wp2shell-pre-authentication-rce-in-wordpress-core/
1•tjwds•27m ago•0 comments

Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

https://morethanmoore.substack.com/p/intel-starts-shipping-high-na-euv
2•zdw•30m ago•0 comments

Give Agents Homeplace via SSH

https://www.xshellz.com/
2•stfnon•30m ago•1 comments

Why huge pages matter for Postgres?

https://clickhouse.com/blog/huge-pages-clickhouse-managed-postgres
1•saisrirampur•30m ago•0 comments

IBM CEO Arvind Krishna Has Nowhere to Hide from AI

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ibm-ceo-arvind-krishna-has-nowhere-to-hide-from-ai-c9ff290f
2•johnbarron•36m ago•0 comments

Sync.md – keep AGENTS.md, Claude.md, .cursorrules in sync by meaning, not diff

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=sync-md.sync-md
1•anzilzedex•36m ago•0 comments

Against Mind-Blindness: Recognizing and Communicating with Diverse Intelligences [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkFmUwW0kM
2•lioeters•37m ago•0 comments

Things I Won't Work With: Dioxygen Difluoride (2010)

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/things-i-won-t-work-dioxygen-difluoride
3•downbad_•40m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Waylou / a multi-provider CLI coding agent / fork of Gemini CLI

https://github.com/helis-d/waylou
1•Emirhan123•41m ago•1 comments

Tool to benchmark AGENTS.md file on swe tasks

https://github.com/emiliolugo/clawmark
1•emiliolugo•41m ago•0 comments

Apple dethrones Nvidia to regain title of world's most valuable company

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jul/17/apple-nvidia-most-valuable-company
4•Brajeshwar•42m ago•0 comments

Tutorial: Introduction to Formal Verification with Lean (Part 1)

https://hashcloak.com/blog/tutorial-introduction-to-formal-verification-with-lean-(part-1)
3•birdculture•45m ago•0 comments

No President Has Embarrassed This Country the Way Trump Did Last Night

https://newrepublic.com/post/213195/trump-primetime-speech-no-embarrassed-country
13•petethomas•46m ago•1 comments

Valve's 14-Year Journey to Make the Steam Machine

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2026-07-17/valve-s-14-year-journey-to-make-the-steam-m...
1•HelloUsername•46m ago•0 comments