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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

So you want to learn physics (second edition, 2021)

https://www.susanrigetti.com/physics
1•azhenley•1m ago•0 comments

Show HN: AI or Not

https://aiornot.vote/
1•buffer_overlord•2m ago•0 comments

Agent Data Injection Attacks

https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.05120
4•juppytt•3m ago•1 comments

On vibe forks

https://rahulpandita.me/blog/2026-06-29-vibe-forks/
1•azhenley•3m ago•0 comments

Maine librarians are helping patrons resist AI and Big Tech

https://www.bangordailynews.com/2026/07/02/midcoast/midcoast-culture/maine-librarians-are-helping...
3•cdrnsf•6m ago•0 comments

Copy That Floppy – Cambridge guide for preserving data from fragile floppy disks

https://www.digipres.org/the-floppy-guide/
2•whiteblossom•6m ago•0 comments

Japan's borrowing costs soar to 30-year high on debt fears

https://www.ft.com/content/851aa883-073f-4423-a43e-9b09fdbe7c86
1•petethomas•8m ago•0 comments

3.5M Developers. Then Microsoft Pulled the Plug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPhAkzb4kUo
1•cable2600•9m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A quiet new tab that replaces your default boring new tab in Chrome

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/nook-tab/loogeapnnikphlehifdfmmceaeidbhnd
1•masterbrewer•12m ago•0 comments

Protobuf-py: Protobuf for Python, without compromises

https://buf.build/blog/protobuf-py
1•ming13•12m ago•0 comments

Paseo: Orchestrate coding agents from your desk and your phone

https://paseo.sh/
1•jerlendds•12m ago•0 comments

I made an "evolving scene" presentation creation skill

https://github.com/Codagent-AI/and-scene
1•paulcaplan•13m ago•1 comments

Forget the GPU Shortage: The Real AI Bottleneck Was Diagnosed in 2007

https://sal4rkhn.substack.com/p/forget-the-gpu-shortage-the-real
2•salarkhannn•15m ago•0 comments

China May Restrict Access to Its Most Powerful AI Models

https://time.com/article/2026/07/07/china-ai-models-alibaba-bytedance/
1•stenlix•16m ago•0 comments

SQLite (2.2k files) vs. MySQL-Server (58k files) visualization

https://old.reddit.com/r/PrincipalAi/comments/1uqgpll/mysql58k_files_vs_sqlite22k_files_visualiza...
1•fernando-ram•17m ago•0 comments

How America's Wealth Distribution Has Changed Since 1989

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/americas-wealth-distribution-1989-2025/
2•theanonymousone•21m ago•1 comments

We built a Rust EDR. macOS notarization tried to kill it

https://www.nemesislabs.xyz/
1•davidobi023•21m ago•0 comments

Wall clock is the wrong metric

https://www.anantjain.xyz/posts/wall-clock-is-the-wrong-metric
1•anant90•21m ago•0 comments

A battery 'hacking' app can strand an e-rickshaw – and the risks it poses

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-sci-tech/bms-apps-e-rickshaw-battery-hack-g...
1•Abishek_Muthian•23m ago•0 comments

Ancient Denisovan DNA is still shaping human immunity today (Science Daily)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260613034210.htm
1•indynz•30m ago•0 comments

Show HN: ChatGPT, Claude and Codex-style chat inputs in one React component

https://prompt-area.com/styles
1•kachar•31m ago•0 comments

Malleating Git commit signatures

https://iter.ca/post/git-malleate/
1•smitop•31m ago•0 comments

Real 3D Minecraft on the GameBoy [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hwYoG96GQQ
1•zetamax•31m ago•0 comments

ForkMind – Git for LLM context: branch, offload, and restore it

https://github.com/Medhovarsh/forkmind
1•medhovarsh•32m ago•0 comments

Smolbren: Local search for your Markdown vaults

https://github.com/junaidrahim/smolbren
2•handfuloflight•35m ago•0 comments

Reminder Email to yourself with voice option

https://remindmyemail.com/
1•texasjosh•38m ago•1 comments

Chorus: A fast, single-writer write-ahead log on Google Cloud Storage

https://github.com/rockwotj/chorus
1•handfuloflight•39m ago•0 comments

Luteolin, an antioxidant, may contribute to prevention of hair graying (2025)

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2025-02-luteolin-antioxidant-vegetables-contribute-hair.html
2•OutOfHere•41m ago•0 comments

Code trails: A new way to understand software

https://app.principal-ade.com/
1•thunderbong•46m ago•0 comments

Egg producers will pay $3.3M and donate 53M eggs to settle price-fixing

https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-collusion-settlement-d32b05892541613df3f4e4932109ee0c
3•SilverElfin•48m ago•1 comments