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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Show HN: Srvquery, a TypeScript toolkit for querying game servers

https://github.com/carlos-menezes/srvquery
1•carlos-menezes•13s ago•0 comments

As antibiotic resistance grows, researchers turn to copper to fight infections

https://phys.org/news/2026-09-antibiotic-resistance-copper-infections.html
1•mdp2021•53s ago•0 comments

Bioluminescence and Living Earth

https://worldsensorium.com/bioluminescence-and-living-earth/
1•dnetesn•1m ago•0 comments

When Flowers Keep Time

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1•dnetesn•4m ago•0 comments

Shared browser synth room for 8 players Normal By Proxy

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1•bigOrj•5m ago•0 comments

The Examined Life in the Age of Optimisation

https://journal.nyphilosophy.org/p/the-examined-life-in-the-age-of-optimisation
1•mistersquid•7m ago•0 comments

Intel Linux NPU Driver Only Now Officially Supports Ubuntu 26.04 LTS

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1•mdp2021•8m ago•0 comments

Google Play Appeal Checker

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America's air monitors are disappearing

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1•geox•12m ago•0 comments

Reasons to be pessimistic (and optimistic) on the future of biosecurity

https://www.owlposting.com/p/reasons-to-be-pessimistic-and-optimistic
1•Bluestein•15m ago•0 comments

368 of the top 2,771 sites block at least one AI search crawler

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1•reesecalder•17m ago•0 comments

Prototype graph-based social media

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1•Evanescia•18m ago•0 comments

O'Charley's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Charley%27s
1•Bluestein•19m ago•0 comments

Apple, Please Open Up iOS

https://swapnilchauhan.com/blog/apple-please-open-up-ios/
1•swapxstar•20m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Xivizley – Visual Docker Compose and Homelab Architect

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1•Xivizley•20m ago•0 comments

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1•odilelof•24m ago•0 comments

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3•omarammura•27m ago•1 comments

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3•olvy0•28m ago•0 comments

Experiment: How easy is it to buy a research paper on the black market?

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4•jruohonen•29m ago•0 comments

OpenRGB 1.0 Released

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2•MattTheRealOne•31m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Rust-split – save your tokens on large Rust source files

4•owebeeone•32m ago•1 comments

Build with Replit Against Managed Postgres in Databricks Apps

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1•utiiiD•33m ago•0 comments

Journal Editors: How are you evaluating AI assisted papers?

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1•jjgreen•36m ago•0 comments

We're All Going to Die

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2•throw0101a•37m ago•0 comments

Karaoke for one: China's $1T 'loneliness economy'

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1•michaelsbradley•38m ago•0 comments

Overshoot: The World Is Hitting Point of No Return on Climate

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Hydra

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Show HN: Email Client with Backups

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AI changing the calculus for Canadian students interested in comp sci

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3•AnodicElegy•43m ago•1 comments