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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Refugee engineer filled bottles with sand to build his grandmother a desert home

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/in-2016-a-refugee-engineer-filled-discarded-bottles-...
1•rmason•24s ago•0 comments

Apple Employee Worked 13-Hour Days Building Her Startup

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-apple-employee-worked-13-hour-days-building-her-startup-20...
1•nothrowaways•29s ago•0 comments

Show HN: Cursor Buddy, get archived Cursor chats out of renderer RAM

https://github.com/professorpalmer/cursor-buddy
1•professorpalmer•45s ago•0 comments

Tailsurf: Streaming gists for live work, build output, and agent conversations

https://tail.surf
2•handfuloflight•2m ago•0 comments

Hy4 Preview

https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hy4-preview
4•JonSchneider•3m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I'm auctioning 10 sticker spots on an RTX 5090 to pay for the GPU

https://gpu-rtx.lol/
2•smakosh•8m ago•2 comments

Creating Post-Training Datasets for Research-Level Mathematics

https://matharena.ai/training/
2•frozenseven•8m ago•0 comments

Running Llama 3.1 405B

https://a11ce.com/llama-3.1-405b.html
1•a11ce•9m ago•0 comments

Six Flags Magic Mountain roller coaster linked to reported brain injuries

https://www.wral.com/news/ap/six-flags-x2-magic-mountain-roller-coaster-linked-brain-injuries-aug...
1•neom•9m ago•0 comments

Own Your Data. Run Your Search. Keep Your Memory

https://moorcheh.ai/blog/moorcheh-on-prem-open-source-own-your-data
1•supportm•9m ago•0 comments

The Pulse Beneath the Job Title: Monthly Readings of Requirements and Tasks

https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.26924
1•chessucation•11m ago•0 comments

We Tested a Smartphone Smuggled from North Korea

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/we-tested-a-smartphone-smuggled-from-north-korea-c2915548
2•fortran77•11m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Dipstick Alerts – Search recalls and service bulletins for your car

https://dipstickalerts.com
1•schultetwin1•11m ago•0 comments

'We are broken': One family's fight against gambling addiction

https://www.espn.com/sports-betting/story/_/id/49547066/sports-betting-gambling-poker-addiction-c...
3•rafaelc•12m ago•0 comments

The Easter Algorithm (Computus)

https://www.algorithm-archive.org/contents/computus/computus.html
1•wooby•13m ago•0 comments

Fuck your AI slop: 5 rules of writing cold messages

https://nmn.gl/blog/ai-slop-cold-message-rules
1•namanyayg•13m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Hacker News Client with Claude Code and Codex Integration

https://github.com/nilbuild/rundown
3•kamranahmedse•14m ago•0 comments

Slimefish.com: Kenyan Prediction Market

https://slimefish.com
1•NibezaK•14m ago•0 comments

Where's Cooper?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mSWehh3p6Wc
1•dambro•16m ago•0 comments

Post Office Horizon replacement 'screw-up' ends in challenge, more cost

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366649787/Post-Office-Horizon-replacement-screw-up-ends-in-ch...
1•latein•17m ago•0 comments

AI Political Compass

https://aipolcom.net/
2•mpalczewski•18m ago•0 comments

Initially delayed, the pass-through of tariffs to consumer prices has arrived

https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2026/initially-delayed-the-pass-through-of-tariffs-to-cons...
3•NomNew•18m ago•0 comments

Juul gets OK to sell vaping device with age-gating technology

https://apnews.com/article/juul-vape-update-fda-age-verification-juul2-10c93d78a67bf5e4be25f43752...
2•geox•20m ago•0 comments

Condensed concepts: Questions to consider when evaluating AI

https://condensedconcepts.blogspot.com/2026/08/questions-to-consider-when-evaluating-ai.html
2•speckx•21m ago•0 comments

Trippi – live translated captions for Google Meet, Zoom, Teams (open source)

https://github.com/skrylkovs/trippi-oss
3•skrylkovs•23m ago•1 comments

Functional Finance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_finance
2•amadeuspagel•27m ago•0 comments

A society that runs on stimulants is badly broken

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/a-society-that-runs-on-stimulants-is-badly-broken
5•pmg101•30m ago•2 comments

EU streaming subscriptions neared 33 per cent in 2025

https://www.eunews.it/en/2026/08/27/eu-streaming-subscriptions-neared-33-per-cent-in-2025-driven-...
2•jruohonen•31m ago•0 comments

Zed: Edit predictions are leaving the free Personal plan on October 7

6•lumpa•34m ago•1 comments

The OG Creator of Task Manager on Windows Built a New Task Manager

https://tmog.org
13•CarbonNanotubes•35m ago•9 comments