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American Retirees on Different Incomes Rely on Social Security

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/12/business/social-security-income-retirement-benefits.html
1•toomuchtodo•1m ago•1 comments

Solar surpasses nuclear power globally for first time – pv magazine Global

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2026/09/29/solar-surpasses-nuclear-power-globally-for-first-time/
2•xbmcuser•1m ago•0 comments

Scientists Reveal How Pancreatic Cancer Evolves to Evade Treatment

https://today.ucsd.edu/story/scientists-reveal-how-pancreatic-cancer-evolves-to-evade-treatment
1•gmays•2m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: How do I stop Gemini Live from asking."Would like to know more about..?"

1•orsenthil•3m ago•0 comments

Null Surprises

https://wizardzines.com/comics/null-surprises/
1•vismit2000•3m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Why people do not want to believe weight loss is possible without GLPs?

1•faangguyindia•4m ago•1 comments

I built a Telegram bot that tells me when watched Instagram accounts post

https://hikerapi.com/
1•SAdfzVGBXCNVB•5m ago•0 comments

Making Chicken Transparent Using Dorito Dust

https://chillphysicsenjoyer.substack.com/p/making-chicken-transparent-using
1•crescit_eundo•6m ago•0 comments

Using the brella to re-create Reddit

https://ahptour.com/blog/using-the-brella-to-re-create-reddit/
2•andrewfromx•7m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Esp32sim – Run ESP32 firmware in the browser

https://github.com/mikroverk/esp32sim
1•joakimeriksson•11m ago•0 comments

New Tesla Roadster: My Honest Reaction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scwlR0QHGOk
1•Betelbuddy•13m ago•0 comments

Life After Death?

https://pudding.cool/2026/10/lifeafter/
1•gmays•16m ago•0 comments

Seminal Book Auction at Sotheby's

https://www.sothebys.com/en/series/reason-and-revolution-extraordinary-works-from-a-distinguished...
1•herodotus•16m ago•1 comments

Nexus-Q update: V4 native back end is now in main

https://nexus-q.link/
1•lecodev•17m ago•0 comments

Takto open-source hand exoskeleton

https://github.com/molanocortes/takto-one/tree/main
2•andsoitis•19m ago•1 comments

Internet access a fundamental right for all age groups – India's Supreme Court

https://scroll.in/latest/1096477/children-have-fundamental-right-to-use-internet-says-sc
2•drewfax•21m ago•1 comments

Are You Sure Your LLM Is Sure?

https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.22139
2•Betelbuddy•23m ago•1 comments

Stop ATSC 3.0 DRM

https://blog.velocifyer.com/Posts/7,Stop%20ATSC%203.0%20DRM/
1•Velocifyer•24m ago•0 comments

Microsoft AI chief says the company beat OpenAI's models, using less compute

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-ai-ceo-new-model-beats-openai-using-less-compute-2026-10
1•khalidkhair•24m ago•2 comments

Academics should self publish textbooks

https://andrewpwheeler.com/2026/10/14/why-academics-should-self-publish-textbooks/
1•jruohonen•24m ago•0 comments

Prior-Data Gravity and Framework Reabsorption: A Behavioral Theory of LLMs

https://zenodo.org/records/23431917
1•RhizomaticMind•26m ago•0 comments

Developing for Debugging (2025)

https://www.davepacheco.net/blog/2025/developing-for-debugging-dns-propagation/
2•mpweiher•27m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Vramkit – lossless VRAM compression for LLM inference, on a MacBook

https://github.com/SRKRZ23/vramkit
1•sardor_r1•29m ago•0 comments

Welcome to the tour (AHP tour that is, Association of Hackathon Professionals)

https://ahptour.com/blog/welcome-to-the-tour/
2•andrewfromx•29m ago•0 comments

FDE-Gym: The Last Mile of AI Delivery

https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.22350
1•Betelbuddy•30m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: It's still worth to show own handmaded games to the public internet?

1•Wormaus•31m ago•1 comments

Show HN: High-quality duck audio synthesizer

https://celphase.github.io/duck-pond/
1•celphase•33m ago•0 comments

Sl – A Scalable, User-Friendly Source Control System

https://github.com/facebook/sapling
1•modinfo•39m ago•0 comments

Is there a temp phone number like temp email?

5•blacksinger•43m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Solo business must have tool, Tamo

https://heytamo.com/
1•berkaycubuk•46m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

Comments

tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."