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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

I Am Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde about AI

https://chollinger.com/blog/2026/11/i-am-dr-jekyll-and-mr-hyde-about-ai/
1•otter-in-a-suit•53s ago•0 comments

Show HN: A screen recording CLI for your coding agent (Mac)

https://github.com/notoriousbfg/reel-cli
1•trwhite•1m ago•0 comments

The Feasibility of a Hardwired Pause of Frontier AI Training

https://hardwired-pause.ai/
1•merksittich•2m ago•0 comments

Cut the Onions

https://kinocow.com/cut-the-onions
1•syliconadder•2m ago•0 comments

"Wikihistory" by Desmond Warzel

https://www.abyssapexzine.com/wikihistory/
1•Eridanus2•4m ago•0 comments

The crisis of universal search and the return to environments of knowledge

https://medium.com/@smoking2man/the-crisis-of-universal-search-and-the-return-to-specialized-envi...
1•Aldus551•6m ago•0 comments

Call of the wild angler/fishing binary hack using LLM

https://github.com/cryptoapebot/callofthewildanger-diamond
1•gbolcer•7m ago•1 comments

I built a dice football game solo with an AI coding assistant

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hex-soccer-dice-football/id6830311319
1•cgninan•9m ago•0 comments

Thermal Grizzly PhaseSheet PTM Pro Review (Igor's Lab)

https://www.igorslab.de/en/thermal-grizzly-phasesheet-ptm-pro-review/
1•d3Xt3r•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: ChessKeep – browse grandmaster chess games

https://chesskeep.app/
1•fisher-brett•11m ago•0 comments

Some retailers try blocking agentic AI shoppers

https://www.marketplace.org/story/2026/11/10/some-retailers-try-blocking-agentic-ai-shoppers
2•mooreds•11m ago•0 comments

Impact of Expired Google PageRank Patent on Search Results

https://deepsystemstuff.com/patent-for-pagerank-algorithm-who-made-google-search-what-it-is-today...
2•birdculture•11m ago•0 comments

An open specification for agentic AI security evaluation and testing, from Cisco

https://github.com/CiscoDevNet/foundry-security-spec
1•jamilbk•11m ago•0 comments

Apache Kafka, rewritten in Brainfuck. fast. Memory safe. Diskless

https://github.com/rmoff/kafuck/
2•mooreds•12m ago•0 comments

Shared Signals Framework Receiver Framework

https://easyssf.org/
1•mooreds•12m ago•0 comments

Pottery experiments 11,000 years ago: fired clay fragments from Cemka Hoyuk

https://phys.org/news/2026-11-year-clay-fragments-reveal-early.html
1•titusblair•13m ago•0 comments

Gravitational waves can reveal new worlds

https://science.nasa.gov/missions/lisa/gravitational-waves-can-reveal-new-worlds/
1•titusblair•13m ago•0 comments

Mod_HTTP2: Heap Corruption and RCE in Assign_headers

https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2026-119618
2•linsomniac•13m ago•0 comments

How to read codes from (many) IR remote controls with as little code as possible

https://bitbanksoftware.blogspot.com/2026/11/how-to-read-codes-from-many-ir-remote.html
2•speckx•14m ago•0 comments

Going Out on a Limb: Joha

https://www.jewishideas.org/article/going-out-limb-joha
1•marysminefnuf•14m ago•0 comments

Withdrawing the Primitive Patterns preview feature

https://mail.openjdk.org/archives/list/amber-spec-observers@openjdk.org/thread/UYEK3PGOHN6R56AHJT...
1•luu•15m ago•0 comments

Token Economy – Claude Code/Codex usage, limits and token savings

https://github.com/Baeta78/token-economy
3•Baeta78•15m ago•0 comments

The Best Algebras Are Spinny [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k-Dnw0F3kc
1•surprisetalk•16m ago•0 comments

Factorio playing any song using 2000 speakers [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYSjLv-usuc
1•piebro•16m ago•0 comments

Is AI going to arb away all market inefficiencies?

1•quarkhole•16m ago•0 comments

AI Models Can Tell When Researchers Plant Concepts in Their Neural Networks

https://singularityhub.com/2026/11/11/ai-models-can-tell-when-researchers-plant-concepts-in-their...
1•jonbaer•17m ago•0 comments

Moto: Mock AWS Services

https://github.com/getmoto/moto
2•saikatsg•17m ago•0 comments

AI as a Lifestyle Choice

https://grahamdumpleton.me/posts/2026/11/ai-as-a-lifestyle-choice/
1•lumpa•17m ago•0 comments

Why are we still working this hard?

https://wilsoniumite.com/2026/11/11/why-are-we-still-working-this-hard/
27•Wilsoniumite•18m ago•10 comments

Ask HN: Would you launch a developer tool with only macOS support?

1•harshkrjha•19m ago•1 comments