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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Zepto Scales Customer Support on Databricks and MLflow

https://www.databricks.com/blog/evaluation-first-ai-agents-how-zepto-scales-customer-support-data...
1•akbarnama•55s ago•0 comments

Who lives without a car in the Bay Area

https://maxmautner.com/2026/10/16/sf-car-free.html
1•mslate•5m ago•2 comments

Calling all GPUs: help us benchmark SonicBoom v0.0.3

https://github.com/hardenedlinux/SonicBoom/issues/2
1•nalaginrut•5m ago•0 comments

Remade.Wiki

https://remade.wiki/
1•beatthatflight•7m ago•0 comments

Dead German Guys

https://blog.coredump.cx/p/dead-german-guys
1•surprisetalk•7m ago•0 comments

China Plans to Tighten Export Controls on AI Technologies

https://wallhop.io/https://www.theepochtimes.com//china/china-plans-to-tighten-export-controls-on...
2•jamiesonbecker•10m ago•2 comments

If you want to make a bajillion dollars, solve agent identity

https://12gramsofcarbon.com/p/agentics-agent-identity-is-a-really
1•theahura•13m ago•0 comments

Gaming's all‑digital future doesn't include Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Pikmin 2

https://sethmlarson.dev/gaming-all-digital-future-and-creative-constraint
1•aray07•17m ago•0 comments

"The AI bubble is about to burst and a big market correction's coming" – NY Post

https://nypost.com/2026/10/17/business/the-ai-bubble-is-about-to-burst-much-like-the-infamous-dot...
4•MilnerRoute•17m ago•0 comments

Mathematics, Science and Artificial intelligence by Prof. Weinan E [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oUM-TdRds
1•belleville•19m ago•0 comments

Why Humanity Might Have to Declare War on AI (By: William Spaniel) [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAU3lAadXLM
1•4diii•20m ago•0 comments

Designing LLM failover as a route change, not a retry loop

https://modelflare-blog.static.hf.space/model-groups-and-failover.html
1•Matthewmodelfla•20m ago•0 comments

Can AI Automate Epoch?

https://epoch.ai/publications/can-ai-automate-epoch
3•gmays•31m ago•0 comments

The most powerful and free local AI note taking app I've ever used

https://github.com/seacen/meetcap
2•seacen•34m ago•2 comments

Show HN: Fan Transition – Generate outfit transition videos from a single photo

https://fantransition.com/
1•humphrey_liu•38m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Stream Reducer – Audio AI Summarization at Scale

https://reducer.xgoose.org/
2•lobstey•39m ago•0 comments

Show HN: PredixLab – my personal system to discover investment opportunities

https://github.com/predixlab/predixlab-infra
1•unliftedq•41m ago•0 comments

Show HN: See diffs of Wikipedia over time

https://memoryhole.app/wiki-timeline
1•flippant•41m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Simulate an engineering blog, or an idea or an incident

https://github.com/smarchone/sim-xp
1•smarch27•47m ago•0 comments

The Paradox at the Heart of AI and Science – Terence Tao [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svl_1upFpQo
1•ent101•51m ago•0 comments

I built an LMSR prediction market for a classical music competition

https://www.ratemyfestival.com/competitions/wieniawski-2026/odds
1•onesemble•53m ago•1 comments

What is the ultimate truth? We asked leading AI models

https://ultimatetruth.one
2•regnull•53m ago•1 comments

Using AI as a tutor to do math with pen and paper

https://twitter.com/nichochar/status/2111822781214294329
4•nichochar•54m ago•1 comments

Chums

https://chums.club/
1•soheilpro•54m ago•0 comments

MS Project – I made my own app finally

2•sttock•54m ago•0 comments

Show HN: DogCatTrace – Clapt was distilled from some random dog

https://github.com/xiebaiyuan/DogCatTrace
2•xiebaiyuan•57m ago•0 comments

Jio Platforms IPO

https://finshots.in/archive/a-few-more-things-about-the-jio-platforms-ipo/
1•vismit2000•58m ago•0 comments

Good Interfaces Make Good Neighbors

https://boz.com/articles/good-interfaces-make-good-neighbors
2•swolpers•1h ago•0 comments

ZX Spectrum Next Laptop

https://www.dorchester3d.com/printing/blog/2020/11/zx-spectrum-next-laptop-version-2
1•utopcell•1h ago•0 comments

IMF World Economic Outlook 2026 [pdf]

https://www.imf.org/-/media/files/publications/weo/2026/october/english/text.pdf
4•gmays•1h ago•0 comments