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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

The Currency Killer Part II: Howard Lutnick

https://theleahfiles.substack.com/p/the-currency-killer-part-ii-howard
1•xrd•1m ago•0 comments

Trees use a 'muscle' to correct posture–a newly discovered role for tension wood

https://phys.org/news/2026-09-trees-muscle-posture-newly-role.html
1•bookofjoe•2m ago•1 comments

Support Local Variables

https://bernsteinbear.com/blog/support-local-variables/
1•torutofu•2m ago•0 comments

Tim Berners-Lee: A Call for Continued Open Standards and Neutrality (2010)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/long-live-the-web/
1•sparsesignal•4m ago•0 comments

QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

https://beige.party/@intransitivelie/117057396732763183
1•mraniki•5m ago•1 comments

Reddits anti self promo policies are destroying startups

1•Ahhhhhh2664645•5m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Dsnitch – Real-time, zero-config Docker egress inspector via eBPF

https://github.com/infomaniac777/dsnitch
2•infomaniac777•6m ago•0 comments

Bad Vibes Coding

https://spectrecollie.com/2026/09/05/bad-vibes-coding/
1•speckx•6m ago•0 comments

I'm teaching an introductory 12 week course on Quantum Oracle Engineering

https://shukla.io/quantum-oracle-engineering/
1•BinRoo•7m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Claude-hl – syntax colours for shell commands in Claude Code output

https://github.com/rashedInt32/claude-hl
1•rashed_parvez•7m ago•1 comments

Schemy Lisp En DOS

https://sled.neocities.org/
2•AlexeyBrin•9m ago•0 comments

Generate game ready sound effects from text

https://audiomade.app
1•Yasib•16m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Are we normalizing surveillance in the name of safety?

1•dennysora-main•19m ago•0 comments

Scientists map key protein interactions linked with profound autism

https://www.npr.org/2026/09/04/nx-s1-5954823/profound-autism-proteins-genes-map-treatments
1•andsoitis•21m ago•0 comments

The 92-Year-Old Mathematician and the Teenage Apprentice

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/06/science/92-year-old-mathematician-apprentice.html
3•hampelm•22m ago•0 comments

AI coding agents forget the codebase between sessions

https://github.com/thecolourfoundation/rune
2•malikfyua•22m ago•0 comments

FOSS vs. Arthritis

https://alavi.me/blog/foss-vs-arthritis/
3•yolkedgeek•22m ago•0 comments

Floating Point – The Origin Story

https://thechipletter.substack.com/p/floating-point-the-origin-story
3•klelatti•24m ago•0 comments

AI Slop

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5870742&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
4•andy99•25m ago•0 comments

2026 Hugo Awards

https://www.thehugoawards.org/
2•signa11•25m ago•0 comments

What different world maps get right and what they get wrong

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly5r60v4mro
2•andsoitis•26m ago•0 comments

Who said a tech addict can't be comfortable far from home?

https://a.l3x.in/blog/my-travel-setup/
3•alexfortin•31m ago•2 comments

Did you say AI-mish?

https://medium.com/future-of-work-society-towards-the-quaternary/did-you-say-ai-mish-00ad15529e80
1•amelius•37m ago•0 comments

Devnote – Gittykat

https://akshy.codeberg.page/projects/devnote-gittykat.html
3•yhska•37m ago•0 comments

Scientists Hunting Dark Matter Found Something Strange

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/01/science/dark-matter.html
3•JumpCrisscross•37m ago•0 comments

Yes, We're Entering the Era of Artificial General Intelligence

https://www.wsj.com/cio-journal/yes-were-entering-the-era-of-artificial-general-intelligence-d9b0...
3•geox•38m ago•0 comments

Show HN: My portfolio website as a Windows 98 style web OS

https://linkdd.github.io/
4•linkdd•41m ago•0 comments

SSH on the Go

https://bencevans.io/blog/ssh-on-the-go
2•bencevans•42m ago•0 comments

Why NASA keeps sending astronauts to a gas station town in Utah

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/hanksville-utah-robbery-kitsch-22414764.php
2•cainxinth•42m ago•0 comments

Prediction markets have become America's new national pastime

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/sep/06/prediction-markets-gambling-american-pastime
3•pseudolus•43m ago•0 comments