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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Show HN: AI System Design Primer

https://github.com/daneb/ai-system-design-primer/
1•danebalia•2m ago•1 comments

Resolving 3-SAT in Linear Time via Macro-Switch Implication Graphs

https://zenodo.org/records/23855969
1•RudraCS•8m ago•0 comments

Future of Software

https://blog.ianhsiao.me/future-of-software-ii
2•_mad_eye_•11m ago•0 comments

Httpd 2.4

https://downloads.apache.org/httpd/CHANGES_2.4
1•lsferreira42•17m ago•0 comments

My first open-source service reached its first 20 stars on GitHub

https://github.com/embedcatalog/embedcatalog
1•aanthonymax•18m ago•1 comments

The Little Book of Semaphores

https://greenteapress.com/wp/semaphores/
2•dboon•26m ago•0 comments

What Does Your Data Reveal About Sports Betting Apps? Help ProPublica Find Out

https://projects.propublica.org/sports-betting-uploader/
2•toomuchtodo•28m ago•0 comments

Midgarth Quest. Browser-Playable Mmorpg Written by AI

https://midgarth.quest/
1•anacrolix•37m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Wikihack – HackerTube, but for Wikipedia articles mentioned on HN

https://wikihack.netlify.app
2•aizk•38m ago•0 comments

Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World?

https://asteriskmag.com/issues/16/why-don-t-we-life-in-an-art-nouveau-world
1•shcallaway•39m ago•0 comments

CEPO: General Framework for Improving Prompt Optimization in Multi-Agent Systems

https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.34722
2•matt_d•45m ago•0 comments

Chambers

https://chambers.gross.is
2•endtwist•46m ago•0 comments

Linux Plumbers Conference

https://lpc.events/
1•gregsadetsky•47m ago•0 comments

GPT-6.1 Terra vs. Claude Opus 5.5: Cheaper and faster in three tests at max

https://thenewstack.io/gpt-6-1-terra-vs-claude-opus-5-5/
1•runwithdata•49m ago•0 comments

Show HN: 13M opinions on 48k products extracted from Reddit and HN

https://www.trustmebro.reviews/r/hackernews
2•davidzweig•51m ago•0 comments

The $3.1T Commercial Real Estate Crisis [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdhu3_OI2A
2•toomuchtodo•53m ago•1 comments

Asking my AI teacher how to spell seventeen

https://twitter.com/huskirl/status/2116941001335947635
4•xvxvx•53m ago•1 comments

A Brief History of Regulation and Deregulation (2018)

https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/brief-history-regulation-and-deregulation
1•peter_d_sherman•55m ago•0 comments

ASML's CEO is putting his paycheck on the line for employee morale

https://fortune.com/2026/10/31/asml-ceo-christophe-fouquet-executive-pay-employee-satisfaction/
2•osnium123•58m ago•1 comments

HTML Clocks

https://tudza.org/HTML_Clocks.html
1•MitPitt•59m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Why is AWS such a pain for using Bedrock?

1•runwithdata•1h ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Has anyone vibe coded in Common Lisp? Is it even possible?

1•palad1n•1h ago•2 comments

Open Coaster: an open source web/mobile RollerCoaster Tycoon clone

https://github.com/tilework-tech/opencoaster
4•theahura•1h ago•1 comments

Nine people dead in Learjet crash in South Florida, officials say

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/nine-people-dead-in-learjet-crash-in-south-florida-officials-...
4•measurablefunc•1h ago•0 comments

Tom7/noperts: Reproducible nopert proofs

https://github.com/tom7/noperts/
1•RebelPotato•1h ago•0 comments

Selected Ambient Works X Matrix

https://selectedambientworks.com/
1•bonefishgrill•1h ago•0 comments

Amdahl 470V

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl_470V
2•kristianp•1h ago•0 comments

How the facial recognition blame game leaves shoppers stranded

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/shaking-from-head-to-toe-how-the-facial-recogn...
1•rawgabbit•1h ago•0 comments

Japan's Jimi 'Mundane' Halloween Costumes of 2026

https://spoon-tamago.com/japan-jimi-mundane-halloween-costumes-2026/
2•zdw•1h ago•0 comments

What happens when the AI money loop breaks?

https://fvdge.com/AI_Circularity_Stress_Lab.html
1•teja_nemana•1h ago•0 comments