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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

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https://www.vincentschmalbach.com/tailscale-ssh-leading-dash-root/
2•vincent_s•2m ago•0 comments

Ukraine's Kill Zone

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/KILL-ZONE/znpnojmknvl/
1•stared•6m ago•0 comments

Free engagement-rate calculator for creators and brands

https://collabios.com/en/tools/engagement-rate-calculator
1•ghassendaoud•7m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Release-gate – a CLI that checks AI-agent PRs for risky changes

1•VamsiSudhakaran•7m ago•0 comments

Donald Trump's AI Brain Trust

https://www.wired.com/story/this-is-donald-trumps-ai-brain-trust/
1•joozio•7m ago•0 comments

A quantum heat engine that simultaneously provides work and refrigeration

https://phys.org/news/2026-07-quantum-simultaneously-refrigeration.html
1•pseudolus•7m ago•0 comments

UX-Context Design: The future of UX design and user research?

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/ux-context-design/
2•TonyAlicea10•9m ago•0 comments

The Ukrainian startup taking the missile fight deep into Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/27/fire-point-ukraine-cruise-missiles-russia
2•Anon84•9m ago•0 comments

The Birth of the American 12-string Guitar

https://www.harpguitars.net/history/grunewald/12-string.htm
2•bilegeek•16m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Horus-runtime – High Performance Computing workflow manager

https://github.com/temple-compute/horus-runtime
2•chdominguez•17m ago•0 comments

America Stopped Reading

https://ilummi.app/how-america-stopped-reading
1•anttonio•19m ago•2 comments

OpenAI is shutting down Atlas

https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/09/openai-is-shutting-down-atlas-but-its-ai-browser-ambitions-are-...
2•quadrige•20m ago•2 comments

Build a Basic AI Agent from Scratch: Security III

https://www.ruxu.dev/articles/ai/build-an-ai-agent-security-3/
2•ruxudev•20m ago•0 comments

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https://dozenal.game
7•sarreph•24m ago•1 comments

Ask HN: Why is every company encorporating AI everywhere?

6•vanessa1211•29m ago•3 comments

If digital computers are conscious, they are conscious at the hardware level

https://smoothbrains.net/posts/2026-05-09-digital-consciousness.html
2•eatitraw•35m ago•0 comments

How to Run an Autonomous Agent Against Your Own Server

https://medium.com/@vektormemory/how-to-run-an-autonomous-agent-against-your-own-server-3ff9335ba69f
2•vektormemory•36m ago•1 comments

A preferred way to design tools for AI agents

https://www.bolshchikov.com/p/your-agent-isnt-dumb-your-tools-are
2•bolshchikov•36m ago•0 comments

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https://github.com/eliasdejong/spsc-ring-threadsafe
1•eliasdejong•41m ago•0 comments

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https://fossil.wanderinghorse.net/r/cssminc/doc/ckout/README.md
1•sgbeal•47m ago•0 comments

How to Build an Automated SEO Workflow That Improves over Time

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1•stevematzal•48m ago•0 comments

Big Companies Are Starting to Hire Again, Defying Predictions of AI Wipeout

https://www.wsj.com/business/big-companies-are-starting-to-hire-again-defying-predictions-of-ai-w...
4•thm•52m ago•1 comments

How to Set Up an On-Premises Project Management Platform

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2•coding1134•56m ago•0 comments

Finance engineering roles are 2.6% of open finance-department jobs

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2•abarbey•59m ago•0 comments

How to Build a 50k Ton Forging Press

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3•Michelangelo11•1h ago•0 comments

Beyond Lambda-Calculus: Intensional Computation (2017) [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmjwdtcu99I
2•sargstuff•1h ago•0 comments

Libsm64: Mario 64 as a library for use in external game engines

https://github.com/libsm64/libsm64
6•klaussilveira•1h ago•2 comments

Is Software Solved?

https://ahmet.ee/is-software-solved/
2•aozisik•1h ago•1 comments

The Odyssey Leaked on X: Bootleg Seen by Millions in Hours Before Takedown

https://variety.com/2026/film/news/the-odyssey-leaked-high-quality-bootleg-x-1236821418/
5•smurda•1h ago•3 comments

Removing React.js from the codebase and adapting Htmx for UI interactivity

https://misago-project.org/t/removing-reactjs-from-the-codebase-and-adapting-htmx-for-ui-interact...
2•Ralfp•1h ago•0 comments