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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Google will pay people to use less electricity so its data centers can use more

https://www.computerworld.com/article/4239858/google-will-pay-people-to-use-less-electricity-so-i...
1•mikelgan•40s ago•0 comments

Learning as Freedom (2012)

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/opinion/john-deweys-vision-of-learning-as-freedom.html
1•alasr•1m ago•1 comments

AI devours a fifth of companies' IT budgets

https://www.computerworld.com/article/4239898/ai-accounts-for-one-fifth-of-companies-it-budgets.html
2•mikelgan•4m ago•0 comments

Why have coding agents not brought easter-egg utopia?

https://rallywith.ai/blog/bring-back-easter-eggs/
1•ajuhasz•5m ago•0 comments

HumanLayer is now Open Source

https://www.hlyr.dev/blog/open-sourcing-humanlayer
1•dhorthy•6m ago•0 comments

AI Just Raised the Stakes on Continuous Delivery

https://www.bradoyler.com/ai/continuous-delivery-is-a-security-feature/
1•bradoyler•10m ago•0 comments

Window Heat Pumps Offer Efficient Heating and Cooling Without Ductwork

https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/window-heat-pumps-heating-cooling-fd552926
1•bookofjoe•10m ago•1 comments

Factorio version 2.1, the final major update for the game, has been released

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-449
2•haunter•12m ago•0 comments

Ritmo: Type-safe ECS runtime for TypeScript

https://ritmo.typeonce.dev/
1•sandromaglione•15m ago•0 comments

Bitter Lessoned in Automated Theorem Proving

https://essays.johnloeber.com/p/34-bitter-lessoned-in-automated-theorem
1•loeber•16m ago•0 comments

One Man's Pan Am 747 Replica [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAFwHGGfPz4
1•Teever•17m ago•0 comments

Zedis v0.2.0

https://github.com/barddoo/zedis/releases/tag/v0.2.0
1•barddoo•20m ago•0 comments

Empirical agents with hard constraints, strict isolation and trusty protocols

https://qip.dev/essays/empirical-agents-with-hard-constraints-strict-isolation-trusty-protocols
1•codesparkle•21m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Token Beggar, route coding agent subtasks to cheaper models

https://github.com/Arthur031221/Token-Beggar
1•levi74108520963•27m ago•0 comments

Show HN: AiSniff, underline the phrases in a text that read like AI wrote them

https://github.com/Arthur031221/AiSniff
1•levi74108520963•27m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I trained a 160M code model on one GPU and got 22.56% on HumanEval

https://jakubcwirlej.com/ai-dev/
1•jakcwi•27m ago•0 comments

The Hackening

https://thezvi.substack.com/p/the-hackening
1•7777777phil•28m ago•0 comments

Proton hosts map of 300k Flock devices amid legal threats

https://cyberinsider.com/proton-flock-map/
3•DeepLogin•29m ago•0 comments

TechTwitter – For when you want to keep up, but don't like Elon

https://techtwitter-lime.vercel.app/
1•SpyCoder77•30m ago•0 comments

"Slow Horses," Apple TV's Best Show

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/on-television/slow-horses-apple-tvs-best-show-retains-its-punge...
1•amrrs•31m ago•0 comments

Show HN: CAS-X – An input-dominant recursive filter (8.5x recovery acceleration)

1•richardaamaya•32m ago•0 comments

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1•richardaamaya•33m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I gave Claude control of Photoshop

https://github.com/kathan3009/photoshop-mcp
1•kathan3009•34m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Automated newsletter built with Grok bot

https://news.devs.dev
1•westche2222•36m ago•0 comments

Show HN: libfpv - Modding FPV Drone into Any Game

https://hammerill.com/en/blog/libfpv
2•hammerill•37m ago•1 comments

AAS: The Metric for Monitoring DB Performance

https://www.kylehailey.com/post/setting-the-record-straight-a-comprehensive-guide-to-understandin...
1•b-man•37m ago•0 comments

Cveboard: Live Security Incidents

https://cveboard.org/
1•mneves75•37m ago•0 comments

Node2Shell vuln affected Python too

https://opensourcemalware.com/blog/node2shell-affects-python
2•6mile•38m ago•1 comments

White House Directly Intervened to Shut Down Epstein Files Probe

https://newrepublic.com/post/217060/white-house-intervened-shut-down-epstein-files-investigation
9•Betelbuddy•38m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Distributed, deterministically secure agentic swarm runtime. Enclawed

https://zenodo.org/records/23602948
1•enclawed•40m ago•0 comments