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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

The Evolution of the Agent Harness – By Dan McAteer

https://www.latent.space/p/attention-interface
1•JohnBerryman•9s ago•0 comments

Largest AI Infrastructure in Space announced by the president of France

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260909411854/en/Worlds-Largest-AI-Infrastructure-in-Spac...
1•4thelol•1m ago•0 comments

Diagnosing schizophrenia is tricky. Can AI help?

https://knowablemagazine.org/content/article/mind/2026/how-ai-can-listen-for-signs-of-schizophrenia
1•knowablemag•3m ago•0 comments

Chrome tells ~1M users Magic Actions is malware, despite Safe Browsing clearance

https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-extensions/c/MUe0EkfKCnY
1•OzzyOzbour•3m ago•0 comments

Apple Unveils $1,999 Foldable iPhone Duo

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2026-09-09/apple-unveils-1-999-foldable-iphone-duo-video
1•sbulaev•5m ago•0 comments

Design for iPhone Duo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do3UqxfYc3I
1•hbarka•8m ago•0 comments

Andrew Tulloch Departs Mark Zuckerberg's Meta AI Lab

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/star-ai-researcher-is-leaving-meta-8906e4aa
2•bobrenjc93•9m ago•0 comments

Japan's 'killing stone' splits in two (2022)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/07/japans-killing-stone-splits-in-two-releasing-supers...
1•robotnikman•10m ago•0 comments

Pro wrestling for reinforcement-learning ducks

https://duckfight.club
1•ecares•11m ago•0 comments

WeatherNext 3 by Google in the simplest weather app

https://weather.alen.ro/
1•alentodorov•15m ago•0 comments

Core War: three crowns on the King of the Hill

https://dm2tim.de/en/offtopic/core-war.html
1•Levitating•15m ago•0 comments

US airports to let some people without tickets pass through security

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/sep/09/airport-security-tsa-precheck
1•bookofjoe•18m ago•0 comments

HexOS Buddy Backups

https://docs.hexos.com/blog/2026-09-09
2•abraham•24m ago•0 comments

How safe are digital driver's licences?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/community/1309151/how-safe-are-digital-driver-s-licences
3•billybuckwheat•26m ago•0 comments

Engineering students made a self playing piano from scratch [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se_admCx8cM
2•duck•29m ago•1 comments

United States Ships War Material to Israel Aboard Passenger Flights

https://theintercept.com/2026/09/09/united-airlines-flights-israel-weapons-hardware-transport/
5•jbegley•29m ago•0 comments

What makes $BigTechCompany's products bad, anyway?

https://herecomesthemoon.net/2026/09/why-is-big-tech-bad/
2•Mond_•30m ago•0 comments

The IBM PC, Part 2: Tsunami

https://technicshistory.com/2026/08/29/the-ibm-pc-part-2-tsunami/
1•cfmcdonald•30m ago•0 comments

Durable execution without history replay

https://trigora.dev/blog/durable-execution-without-history-replay/
1•hypervs•30m ago•0 comments

Google pixel 11 pro fold

https://store.google.com/product/pixel_11_pro_fold?hl=en-US
1•nothrowaways•33m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Would you use an MCP server for your personality test result?

1•LeoLeaS•34m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Jobrake: Fetch Jobs from LinkedIn and Indeed

https://github.com/eyayaw/jobrake
1•eyayaw•37m ago•0 comments

Nam A2: The Team Behind the Technology [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24FCS8tFHcE
1•arbayi•38m ago•0 comments

Oops, Android 16 on the Boox Go 7

https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/1wb6v6b/oops_android_16_on_the_go7/
1•seam_carver•39m ago•0 comments

Show HN: An open-weight LLM whose answer/stop decision can be flipped internally

https://github.com/theonlypal/PCCG-Qwen3-4B-continuation-control
1•rayanpal_•39m ago•0 comments

Adios.dev – Fast, isolated execution sandboxes for AI agents

https://www.adios.dev
2•clovis818•39m ago•0 comments

LaunchPaywall – Open-source Swift 6 boilerplate for iOS paywalls

https://github.com/launchapp-studio/launchpaywall-ios
1•launchappstudio•40m ago•0 comments

Hollywood CEOs Are Spending Millions on Bodyguards as Threats Soar

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hollywood-ceo-security-costs-soar-threat...
4•cocacola1•42m ago•1 comments

Digital Sovereignty: What It Is, What It Could Be

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/09/digital-sovereignty-what-it-what-it-could-be
2•hn_acker•46m ago•0 comments

Cops Play Hide and Seek About Using Spy Tech to Avoid Scrutiny and Bad PR

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/09/cops-play-hide-and-seek-about-using-spy-tech-avoid-scrutiny...
2•hn_acker•47m ago•0 comments