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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Dockframe – modular USB hub compatible with Framework Expansion Cards

https://www.crowdsupply.com/hw-media-lab/dockframe
1•matthiaswh•1m ago•0 comments

A Self-Described 'Junkie' Rode Synthetic Drugs to Oblivion – and Fame

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/29/world/europe/synthetic-opioids-estonia.html
1•JumpCrisscross•2m ago•0 comments

Azure's Weakest Link – Five Full Cross-Tenant Compromises

https://www.binarysecurity.no/posts/2026/10/one-root-case
2•swq115•5m ago•0 comments

Simon Tatham: I often find typos cognitively fascinating

https://hachyderm.io/@simontatham/117529047077355923
2•ColinWright•10m ago•0 comments

Books: Discovering the Art of Mathematics

https://www.artofmathematics.org/books
1•agnishom•11m ago•0 comments

A local-first, private search engine for your Markdown knowledge base

https://benjaminetienne.com/blog/a-personal-markdown-search-engine/
1•betienne•12m ago•1 comments

Project Sunroof

https://sunroof.withgoogle.com/
1•thunderbong•14m ago•0 comments

'Yes in God's Backyard': Churches Are Turning Their Land into Affordable Housing

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/yes-in-gods-backyard-churches-are-turning-their-land-into-affordable-...
1•JumpCrisscross•14m ago•0 comments

PHP Composer 2.11 ships dependency cooldowns

https://blog.packagist.com/composer-2-11-release/
1•moebrowne•17m ago•0 comments

Nielsen Animation Day 2026 Reports

https://www.animationmagazine.net/2026/10/nielsen-animation-day-2026-reports-highlights-key-toon-...
1•vishnukvmd•19m ago•0 comments

The Price of Propaganda: What Governments Spend to Shape Foreign Opinion

https://www.thepricer.org/the-price-of-propaganda-what-governments-spend-to-shape-foreign-opinion/
1•marksmark•20m ago•0 comments

Sculpture re-creates odd optical effects of famed Lycurgus Cup

https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/10/scientists-recreate-the-1600-year-old-recipe-of-lycurgus-...
1•dverlaeckt80•22m ago•0 comments

How Do You Take a Picture of a Black Hole?

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-do-you-take-a-picture-of-a-black-hole-20261029/
3•dverlaeckt80•22m ago•0 comments

Big Tech lobbying pushing EU towards data-protection rollback

https://euobserver.com/245206/revealed-new-data-shows-big-tech-lobbying-pushing-eu-towards-sweepi...
1•robtherobber•23m ago•0 comments

Easel Now Has Tilemaps

https://easel.games/blog/2026-nov-update
1•BSTRhino•27m ago•1 comments

Binance lost $6.3B without leaking a single private key

https://syncroma.com/en-el-hackeo-de-binance-fontaneria-zero-trust/
1•usmanhussainbas•28m ago•0 comments

Europe plans to squeeze out Starlink

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-telecom-giants-team-up-against-starlink/
4•TMWNN•31m ago•3 comments

The Interconcept Space

https://enricobottazzi.github.io/inter-concept-space/
1•demivoleegaston•33m ago•0 comments

Using Lotteries to Make Event Ticket Sales Fairer in South Africa

https://mayberay.bearblog.dev/i-hate-online-waiting-rooms-using-lotteries-to-make-event-ticket-sa...
1•mugamuga•34m ago•0 comments

Convert OST to PST

https://blog.perfectdatasolutions.com/ost-to-pst-converter-software-2/
1•tieanderson•38m ago•0 comments

JavaScript Performance Tips That Make a Difference

https://jsdevspace.substack.com/p/20-javascript-performance-tips-that
1•javatuts•40m ago•0 comments

Binance – Total impact sits at around $6.3B

https://twitter.com/binance/status/2115993361517891592
1•victorbuilds•42m ago•1 comments

Mistral 4 had a release, makes it comparable to Chinese open-weight models

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/mistral-ceo-says-new-ai-model-beats-chinese-ones-some-areas-2...
3•nvmdbljstm•44m ago•1 comments

Global GPU prices rise 35% in just three months

https://videocardz.com/newz/global-gpu-prices-rise-35-in-just-three-months
1•giuliomagnifico•46m ago•0 comments

Audience Analysis – First step to project presentation

https://substack.com/profile/323507903-ukane-favour/note/c-374044494
1•UkaneFavour•47m ago•0 comments

An attack against an LLM agent is either detected or proven

1•consent-substra•48m ago•0 comments

WebGPU Best Practices

https://toji.dev/webgpu-best-practices/
1•mariuz•52m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Post-quantum signatureless authorization with recursive verification

https://zenodo.org/records/23778742
3•notsatoshinotsa•53m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Are you tired too in this AI era?

83•mellosty•54m ago•67 comments

Stone Lighthouses

https://stonewalls.ch/div/histlighthouses
2•tontinton•56m ago•0 comments