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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Freerange: Static fit checks for ordinary TypeScript layout code

https://github.com/chenglou/freerange
1•handfuloflight•2s ago•0 comments

British Standard – "Preparation of a liquor of tea for use in sensory tests" [pdf]

https://www.teahong.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/bs-6008-or-iso-3103.pdf
1•gregsadetsky•2m ago•0 comments

Homeric Question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question
2•thunderbong•12m ago•0 comments

Eye Tracking on Your Cellphone

https://gazecapture.csail.mit.edu/
1•soupspaces•12m ago•0 comments

Expect More Data Center Moratoriums – and Slower Growth

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-07-20/new-york-data-center-moratorium-friction-sl...
1•petethomas•14m ago•0 comments

Industrial DevOps

https://itrevolution.com/product/industrial-devops-book/
1•firesteelrain•16m ago•0 comments

Absurdity and hypocrisy in war, Celine [pdf]

https://neoalchemist.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/louis-ferdinand-celine-journey-to-t...
1•DaveZale•23m ago•0 comments

Anthropic's Landmark $1.5B Copyright Settlement Is Approved

https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/20/anthropics-landmark-1-5b-copyright-settlement-is-approved/
2•golly_ned•32m ago•2 comments

The Rise (and Fall?) Of Palantir [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfGUzSYEqY0
2•figmert•36m ago•0 comments

Official Package Registry of Veryl

https://veryl-lang.org/blog/official-package-registry/
2•dalance•37m ago•2 comments

Cairn|personal finance your own AI can read over MCP, read-only by construction

https://cairn.nnnsightnnn.com/dashboard
2•kautryii•40m ago•0 comments

Sharon Stone on Quitting Weed

https://variety.com/2026/film/columns/sharon-stone-quitting-weed-stopping-stroke-medication-like-...
3•andsoitis•42m ago•1 comments

Show HN: How to Get a Fable CoT for the Jacobian Conjecture Refutation

4•SonOfLilit•45m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I made email signatures less boring

https://esigna.app
4•rodgetech•49m ago•5 comments

Emily Wilson on Translations and Language (Ep. 63)

https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/emily-wilson/
2•paulpauper•52m ago•1 comments

How To Choose A Subproblem

https://millicosm.substack.com/p/how-to-choose-a-subproblem
4•paulpauper•52m ago•0 comments

On Being a Conservative

https://casssunstein.substack.com/p/on-being-a-conservative
3•paulpauper•53m ago•0 comments

OneCLI Is Live on the 1Password Marketplace

https://onecli.sh/blog/onecli-1password-marketplace
3•Jonathanfishner•54m ago•0 comments

Turning robot video into training-ready data

https://www.eventual.ai/blog/announcing-daft-physical-ai
1•DISCURSIVE•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: AI Secretary – Stop checking your phone "just in case"

https://github.com/mathigatti/telegram-ai-secretary
1•mathigatti•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Yaml2json.com, YAML/JSON converter that runs in the browser

https://yaml2json.com
1•zacattack8•1h ago•1 comments

Generative Bionics launches Gene.01 ahead of shipyard welding trials

https://runtimewire.com/article/generative-bionics-gene01-tactile-humanoid-shipyard-trials
1•ryanmerket•1h ago•0 comments

FDE Interview Questions

https://superml.org/tutorials/fde-interview-questions
2•bps1418•1h ago•0 comments

With the Help of Codex: A Reproducible Proof Against the Jacobian Conjecture

https://blog.clidey.com/a-reproducible-proof-against-the-jacobian-conjecture/
2•hemangkandwal•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Agent Search Engine – an independent index of 247 AI agents

https://agentsearchengine.app
1•ASE-APP•1h ago•0 comments

Flathub's AI slop ban looks like it was the right call

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/07/flathub-ai-slop-ban-data
6•csmantle•1h ago•0 comments

Huawei Just Built an Impossible Chip [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ekndZwyOzo
3•binyu•1h ago•1 comments

Show HN: Ekko – post-quantum E2EE layer for Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram Web

https://useekko.app/
4•kvasilev•1h ago•0 comments

A Meta-Epistemological Reason for Rejecting AI-Written Philosophy

https://dailynous.com/2026/07/16/a-meta-epistemological-reason-for-rejecting-ai-written-philosophy/
1•zetamax•1h ago•0 comments

Flock Credibility Lost as It Repeatedly Lies to City Councils, Police, & Public

https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/tracking-alpr-cameras/flock-safety-credibility-lost-...
35•StatsAreFun•1h ago•2 comments