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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Get Started with Gemini 4: Explicit Context Caching Not Supported

https://docs.cloud.google.com/gemini-enterprise-agent-platform/models/start/get-started-with-gemi...
1•waximabbax•31s ago•0 comments

DeepSeek v4.1 Flash matched Opus5.5 and Grok4.7 on a diplomatic negotiation eval

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepSeek/comments/1xw2gyw/comment/19smo7oond4qq/
1•valkrieco•1m ago•0 comments

Amazon Forced into First North American Union Pact in Canada

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-11-13/amazon-s-first-north-american-union-contract-i...
1•toomuchtodo•6m ago•1 comments

FAA Telecommunications Infrastructure (FTI)

https://www.l3harris.com/all-capabilities/faa-telecommunications-infrastructure-fti
1•Betelbuddy•8m ago•1 comments

The Android lockdown seems under-theorized

https://dynomight.net/android/
1•dverlaeckt80•8m ago•0 comments

Adopting Python 3.15's lazy imports: a 4× faster CLI, and where they didn't help

https://namegarage.com/blog/python-3-15-lazy-imports
1•rbanffy•9m ago•0 comments

Formalizing US Tax Code (Using Lean)

https://lexifina.com/blog/formalizing-the-us-tax-code
1•dnw•9m ago•0 comments

Free SVG Maps – Countries, U.S. States and Counties – MapSVG

https://mapsvg.com/maps/
1•eustoria•9m ago•0 comments

PyPI's redesigned project pages with clearer security signals are now live

https://blog.pypi.org/posts/2026-11-06-ui-updates-complete/
2•rbanffy•9m ago•0 comments

Asyncio Internals

https://origintracer.app/excerpt/asyncio-internals/
1•rbanffy•10m ago•0 comments

Traits – Teach your agent to code like you

https://traits.sh/
1•eustoria•11m ago•0 comments

Mouse Party

https://aboard.com/lets-have-a-mouse-party/
1•bookofjoe•12m ago•0 comments

Pondnote – Notes by Hand, and by Keyboard

https://pondnote.ink/
1•eustoria•12m ago•0 comments

FBI Probing FAA Software Update

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-11-13/fbi-said-to-probe-whether-software-update-caus...
1•Betelbuddy•12m ago•1 comments

Ontology Development 101 (2014)

https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Ontology101
1•turtleyacht•20m ago•0 comments

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https://codingcat.dev/post/14-open-source-repos-code-driven-video-how-we-built-3d-aj
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Kildall's Algorithm

https://bike.github.io/posts/kildall.html
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3•Jigsy•27m ago•2 comments

Test and verification technique effectiveness with Astra

https://danluu.com/astra-testing/
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https://trius.canton.graphics/blog/000003.html
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Smallest possible nopert polyhedra: the Septopert

https://github.com/tom7/noperts/blob/main/septopert.md
1•RebelPotato•28m ago•0 comments

Jensen Huang's exit from Nvidia impacts China's AI supply chain

https://restofworld.org/2026/jensen-huang-nvidia-exit-china-ai-chip-impact/
2•mfiguiere•28m ago•0 comments

Spend Management: Spending limits and alerts for Cloudflare

https://blog.cloudflare.com/spend-management/
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When do YC interviews come out?

1•Profazia•30m ago•0 comments

What's better about Ruby than Python? (2003)

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.python/c/xBWUWWWV5RE/m/gyJRB9cihAIJ
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The Secret Life of Components – Tim Hunkin

https://www.timhunkin.com/a241_component-videos.htm
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https://choicervoicerhub.com/
1•fireflywedding•33m ago•0 comments

FAA Rolled Out New AI Traffic Tool Right Before Nationwide Ground Stop

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Too Many Stadiums with Roofs

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2•colinprince•38m ago•0 comments