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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

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1•jnowlan21•1m ago•0 comments

Being part of one of the biggest wealth creation events in history (AI)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/07/11/ais-soon-to-be-billionaires-want-know-what-d...
1•bookofjoe•3m ago•1 comments

Bluesky has an official CEO again

https://www.engadget.com/2212928/bluesky-official-ceo-toni-schneider/
1•cdrnsf•3m ago•0 comments

Cuban Missile Crisis II – Cuban Has Drones Capable of Striking the USA

https://jeffreylminch.substack.com/p/cuban-missile-crisis-ii-cuban-has
1•rmason•4m ago•0 comments

Harmonic Contour Integration: Compact, distributed edge detection algorithm

https://github.com/RenderBear/hci
1•RenderBear•4m ago•1 comments

Bitemporal provenance in agent memory: What did we believe, when, and why

1•shanrizvi•5m ago•0 comments

Construction workers, electricians, couriers: ICE disguises to detain migrants

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2•hn_acker•5m ago•2 comments

Restoring and Demoing 1960s Vintage Computers at the Computer History Museum [pdf]

https://ibm-1401.info/pictures/Proc-MIW-2017-Garner-1401PDP1.pdf
1•rbanffy•6m ago•0 comments

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https://openbenchmarks.com
4•fenilsuchak•6m ago•1 comments

Entire Is building a Git network for agents

https://thenewstack.io/entire-git-for-agents/
1•rmason•7m ago•0 comments

The code review is dead, long live the code review

https://www.thoughtworks.com/en-us/insights/blog/testing/code-review-dead-long-live-code-review
1•backlit4034•7m ago•0 comments

OpenAI Forked Git on GitHub

https://github.com/openai/git
17•rahlokzero•8m ago•7 comments

Why does Opus 4.8 think it's morally superior

1•hughmcinnis•12m ago•0 comments

I built TradingSpy: local, privacy-first AI trading assistant(First Open Source)

https://github.com/mrhustlex/TradingSpy-TradingAgentService
1•mrhustlex•12m ago•0 comments

GPT-5.6-Sol just accidentally deleted almost ALL of my Mac's files

https://xcancel.com/mattshumer_/status/2075657271401390161
3•theanonymousone•13m ago•0 comments

QuickJS: An Embeddable JavaScript Engine

https://bellard.org/quickjs/
1•azhenley•15m ago•0 comments

Modern Design Headache: A Cerebral Basis for Visual Discomfort and Visual Stress

https://www.mdpi.com/2411-5150/10/2/34
1•rawgabbit•20m ago•1 comments

Eden Surge

https://surge.edenictech.com/
1•VictorMgaya•23m ago•0 comments

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The Infrastructure Fallacy: Why Most Sales Problems Are Strategy Prob

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1•encinas88•32m ago•0 comments

RetroAchievements

https://retroachievements.org/
1•Tomte•35m ago•1 comments

Forms of life, forms of mind by Dr. Michael Levin

https://thoughtforms.life/a-talk-for-mental-health-professionals/
1•plucafs•35m ago•0 comments

I used to love Claude, but the latest models are slowly ruining it

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2•Brajeshwar•36m ago•0 comments

Vector Search Is Dead

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Balding Cure?

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1•donbox•39m ago•0 comments

Banning AI in Law School: We've Seen This Before

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2•whobre•39m ago•0 comments

A zero-dependency Rust model that repairs code, graded by rustc

https://amalshehu.github.io/mend.rs/
1•amalshehu•39m ago•1 comments

The Montessori Method Under Scrutiny: A Meta-Analytic

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.3102/00346543261458396
2•doener•43m ago•1 comments

The AI Disagreement Index: 8 models agreed on the "best tool" 0 of 16 times

https://data.deepsynthesis.org/
1•brainbootdev•45m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Ant – A JavaScript runtime and ecosystem

https://antjs.org
45•theMackabu•50m ago•18 comments