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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Linux creator Linus Torvalds puts foot down on anti-AI comments

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/07/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-puts-foot-down-on-anti-ai-comm...
1•ndr42•1m ago•0 comments

Show HN: DripLit – Your Inbox is for books, too

https://www.dripl.it/
1•mankins•1m ago•1 comments

Most Americans now say the public should own half of the big AI companies

https://thenextweb.com/news/most-americans-now-say-the-public-should-own-half-of-the-big-ai-compa...
1•robtherobber•1m ago•0 comments

Phoenix LiveView 1.2 Released

https://www.phoenixframework.org/blog/phoenix-liveview-1-2-released
1•andrewstetsenko•2m ago•0 comments

Detecting Prompt Injection Attacks on Purpose-Specific LLM Agents

https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.12624
1•zhinit•2m ago•0 comments

People don't buy calm: revisiting Weiser's "The Computer for the 21st Century"

https://adaptivesoftware.substack.com/p/the-computer-for-the-21st-century
1•beerdappel•2m ago•0 comments

What I've updated in Anchor.nvim after a month of developmen

https://github.com/zachyarbrough/anchor.nvim
1•zachyarbro•3m ago•1 comments

Wall Street Titans Posted Trading Numbers. Be Worried

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-07-14/goldman-s-stock-trading-numbers-are-so-wild...
1•petethomas•4m ago•0 comments

RFC: Maven Central and Care

https://www.sonatype.com/blog/request-for-comments-care-and-maven-central
1•ke4qqq•5m ago•0 comments

lobste.rs is now running on SQLite

https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jul/14/lobsters-sqlite/
2•Brajeshwar•5m ago•0 comments

Do we still need build tools?

https://olliewilliams.xyz/blog/no-build/
2•ksec•5m ago•0 comments

Fitbit Is Down

https://status.healthapp.google.com/
1•dweekly•7m ago•0 comments

The OpenAI Mystery Device Will Reportedly Be Basically Just a Smart Speaker

https://gizmodo.com/the-openai-mystery-device-will-reportedly-be-basically-just-a-smart-speaker-2...
1•HiroProtagonist•8m ago•0 comments

The discourse on software craftsmanship conveniently ignores last-mile delivery

https://kerkour.com/software-craftsmanship-last-mile-delivery
3•cold_pizz4•8m ago•0 comments

Practice Negotiations with an AI Phone Agent Real-Time Roleplay with Telnyx

https://lowlatencyclub.ai/blog/posts/ai-negotiation-practice-phone-python
2•harpreetseehra•8m ago•0 comments

I'd Rule the World

1•spottedmarley•9m ago•0 comments

Remember When It Matters: Proactive Memory Agent for Long-Horizon Agents

https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.08716
1•gmays•9m ago•0 comments

Police break up €100M-a-month investment fraud ring

https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/07/police-break-up-e100m-a-month-investment-fraud-ring/
1•jacquesm•13m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I made Rung, a daily word game where you guess as soon as you dare

https://dailyrung.com/
1•amaanster•13m ago•0 comments

Open Source: How to Popularize Your Project

https://github.com/rdp/open-source-how-to-popularize-your-project
1•michael-sumner•14m ago•0 comments

Using AI for FOIA in 2026: What requesters should know

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2026/jul/15/using-ai-for-foia-in-2026-what-requesters-shou...
1•toomuchtodo•15m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I'm a Robot

https://castrio.me/im-a-robot
1•non-•16m ago•0 comments

GPU-Tile-SIM: Tile-Centric GPU Simulation for LLM Hardware-Software Co-Design

https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.11262
1•rbanffy•16m ago•0 comments

The Model Was Never the Hard Part

https://srirupa19.github.io/gsoc/2026/07/14/gsoc2.html
1•LorenDB•16m ago•0 comments

Getting Clients Cold Calling

https://www.fludileads.co.uk
1•olliehemps•17m ago•1 comments

How to explain LLM architecture to your mom and dad

https://www.ibm.com/think/news/what-does-ai-look-like
3•linerep43•17m ago•0 comments

Show HN: HeapLens – Java heap dump analysis inside VS Code

https://github.com/sachinkg12/heaplens
1•sachinkg12•18m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Stacks – an hourly card solitaire about building four gardens

https://plan9.kr/stacks/
1•sungchi•18m ago•0 comments

Agentmetry – An open-source flight recorder (SIEM) for AI Agents

https://github.com/blitzcrieg1/agentmetry
1•blitzcrieg1•19m ago•0 comments

Don't ask what you want. Ask who you want to be

https://softwaredoug.com/blog/2026/07/13/who-want-to-be.html
2•zdw•19m ago•0 comments