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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Show HN: Pingularity – scheduled Ookla/iperf3 speedtest dashboard, outage alerts

https://pingularity.dev/
1•cansofgrease•16s ago•0 comments

SQLite for Everything

https://joecode.com/2026-08-19-sqlite3/
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Blood Boy for All – Young blood is a human right

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From DOS Binary to Playdate

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2•bstar77•3m ago•1 comments

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2•joozio•4m ago•0 comments

Etched AI valuation doubles to $21B in a month

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2•bookofjoe•4m ago•0 comments

Study links long-term Cialis use and blindness

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1•giuliomagnifico•5m ago•0 comments

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1•florisuga•6m ago•0 comments

How the Internet Works

https://curiositas.alanjego.com/en/internet
1•Alannnn•7m ago•0 comments

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https://github.com/OnPoint-Dev-Tools/crewcode
1•CjLogix•9m ago•0 comments

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https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/alz.71559
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https://intelix.dev
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2•pudgywalsh•11m ago•0 comments

Zuckerberg lied about concern for child safety

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3•jamarna•11m ago•0 comments

Thunder Compute raises $13M Series A to squeeze more work out of idle GPUs

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1•cpeterson42•12m ago•0 comments

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2•binyu•14m ago•1 comments

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1•jjfoooo4•14m ago•0 comments

OpenAI halts frontier RL training after Astra crosses Critical cyber threshold

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1•DarenWatson•15m ago•1 comments

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1•JoshTriplett•16m ago•0 comments

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3•speckx•21m ago•0 comments

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4•impish9208•21m ago•1 comments

A Million and One Random Digits by Douglas Crockford

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1•gregsadetsky•22m ago•0 comments

Thoughts on dance music today informed by the Instagram perspective

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2•mosiuerbarso•23m ago•0 comments

Eraser Diagrams: An open-source headless diagramming framework

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7•jtadmor•25m ago•1 comments

Can you tell which AI-generated text is watermarked?

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Meteoric origins of Egypt's first ironwork

https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/museums/2013/09/01/23856/
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WTF Are You Loading?

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