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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

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1•smalex-z•18s ago•0 comments

ClickGap: Autonomous QA for ClickHouse

https://clickhouse.com/blog/clickgap-autonomous-qa-for-clickhouse
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City of Slop

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Hertzfeld, Andy oral history, part 1 of 2 (2025)

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1•cl42•4m ago•0 comments

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1•gagan2020•5m ago•0 comments

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1•surprisetalk•7m ago•0 comments

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4•giuliomagnifico•7m ago•1 comments

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3•morilla_chant•8m ago•0 comments

Cow Plays EVE Online and I Don't Know If She's Winning or Not

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3•MilnerRoute•9m ago•0 comments

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1•chistev•9m ago•1 comments

In panic over uncovered data center docs, Entergy seeks to restrain journalists

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1•CGMthrowaway•9m ago•1 comments

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1•chatchan•12m ago•1 comments

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1•ValentineC•12m ago•0 comments

OpenAI Lawsuits Mount over Canadian School Shooting

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5•JumpCrisscross•13m ago•0 comments

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Eternal September

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New Heart Attack Definitions Could Lead to Better Care for Women

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2•Brajeshwar•15m ago•0 comments

Aloe = Scheme and Smalltalk and Types

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All Wired Up

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Sharing Application State in a URL

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1•Minhir•16m ago•1 comments