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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•8mo ago

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tocs3•8mo ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

What Happens If Torvalds' Git Repo Goes Away?

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Continuity-Doc
1•Corrado•51s ago•0 comments

Margin accounts have a 6:1 debt to free credit ratio – Unprecedented

https://www.finra.org/rules-guidance/key-topics/margin-accounts/margin-statistics
1•zerosizedweasle•51s ago•0 comments

'Life-threatening' storm forecast in US as states declare emergency

https://news.sky.com/story/life-threatening-winter-storm-to-hit-us-with-snow-ice-and-dangerously-...
1•Brajeshwar•2m ago•0 comments

Lawsuit Claims Meta Can See WhatsApp Chats in Breach of Privacy

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-25/lawsuit-claims-meta-can-see-whatsapp-chats-in-...
1•Brajeshwar•2m ago•0 comments

Website text invisible to AI agents and screenshots – For human eyes only

https://forhumaneyesonly.com/
1•halcdev•2m ago•0 comments

Did Edison accidentally make graphene in 1879?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/01/did-edison-accidentally-make-graphene-in-1879/
1•Brajeshwar•2m ago•0 comments

The Elias Material

https://eliasweb.org/AllSessions
1•vjulian•4m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Right Click – Customizable Context Menu(Popup for Android) for Firefox

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/right-click-actions/
1•mcavdar•5m ago•0 comments

Eliza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
1•chrisjj•5m ago•0 comments

Pruning Claude Code conversation history

https://brtkwr.com/posts/2026-01-22-pruning-claude-code-conversation-history/
1•freediver•6m ago•0 comments

Minneapolis shooting: AG Pam Bondi gives Gov. Walz conditions for ICE to leave

https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-shooting-ag-pam-bondi-urges-gov-walz-support-ice
11•duxup•7m ago•1 comments

A Critique of Modern SQL and a Proposal Towards a Simple and Expressive QL [pdf]

https://www.cidrdb.org/cidr2024/papers/p48-neumann.pdf
1•tanelpoder•7m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Generate the perfect kickoff prompt

https://vibeprompting.dev
1•relatedcode•9m ago•0 comments

Stop Separating People Problems from Engineering Problems

https://andrew.grahamyooll.com/blog/The-False-Dichotomy/
3•freediver•10m ago•0 comments

A wheel menu for all your shortcuts on Mac

https://www.wheelcmd.com/
1•nickljr•12m ago•0 comments

Kangaroo takes out Tour Down Under peloton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-25/kangaroo-crashes-into-tour-down-under-peloton-as-jay-vine-...
1•Tomte•13m ago•0 comments

Genetic Data from over 20k U.S. Children Misused for 'Race Science'

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/24/us/children-genetics-race-science.html
2•DustinEchoes•13m ago•1 comments

A P-O-X On Both Your Houses: Reverse Engineering a 20 year RF protocol

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1•bsilvereagle•14m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Constela – JSON DSL for AI-generated UI with compile-time validation

1•yuu1ch13•15m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Netfence – Like Envoy for eBPF Filters

https://github.com/danthegoodman1/netfence
3•dangoodmanUT•15m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Open Computer-Animated Multivariable Calculus Course in 6 Languages

https://calculus.academa.ai/
2•sinaatalay•22m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Free PDF Editor by TechRex – client-side PDF editing, OCR, compression

https://pdffreeeditor.com/
1•Maaz-Sohail•26m ago•0 comments

Alex Honnold

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Honnold
2•marklit•26m ago•0 comments

UN Declares That the World Has Entered an Era of 'Global Water Bankruptcy'

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/united-nations-declares-that-the-world-has-entered-an-e...
52•pseudolus•27m ago•28 comments

Show HN: AI powered daily tracker of the US slide into authoritarianism

https://www.worstdaysofar.com/
2•locallyoptimal•29m ago•0 comments

How to Become a Hacker

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
1•srid•30m ago•0 comments

OpenAI rolling out age prediction for ChatGPT consumer plans

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/20/open-ai-age-prediction-chatgpt.html
2•gmays•30m ago•2 comments

Anesthetic Requirement is Increased in Redheads (2004)

https://lww.com/_layouts/1033/OAKS.Journals/Error/JavaScript.html
1•mellosouls•32m ago•1 comments

Bitwise conversion of doubles using only FP multiplication and addition

https://dougallj.wordpress.com/2020/05/10/bitwise-conversion-of-doubles-using-only-floating-point...
1•vitaut•34m ago•0 comments

Back to the Roots with Internet Relay Chat

https://rz01.org/irc/
3•exitnode•34m ago•1 comments