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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

A Inefficient Way to Learn

https://www.justinmath.com/a-really-inefficient-way-to-learn/
1•surprisetalk•19s ago•0 comments

Show HN: Take a break, play some puzzles

https://gridmino.com/
1•marko-projects•3m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Number Checker for WA – Check and Verify WhatsApp Numbers

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2•qwikhost•4m ago•0 comments

Evolution of Attention over the Years

https://gargighosh1.substack.com/p/evolution-of-attention-over-the-years
1•sonabinu•5m ago•0 comments

Homebrew now has an official GUI app

https://github.com/Homebrew/BrewUI/
3•kozika•7m ago•0 comments

What is JSONC and is it any better than JSON?

https://www.howtogeek.com/what-is-jsonc-is-it-any-better-than-json/
1•theanonymousone•9m ago•0 comments

Airflow re-engineered for speed and scale

https://www.astronomer.io/blog/astro-airflow-re-engineered-for-speed-and-scale/
1•jlaneve•11m ago•0 comments

Conversations with JJ

https://laurmaedje.github.io/posts/jj/
1•haeseong•12m ago•0 comments

SSH for Developers

https://flaviocopes.com/ssh-for-developers/
1•ibobev•13m ago•0 comments

Stacked solar panels are pushing beyond the limits of standard photovoltaics [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Pt4nSZMnA
1•thelastgallon•13m ago•0 comments

A Deep Dive into Tmux

https://flaviocopes.com/tmux/
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A Deep Dive into Ghostty

https://flaviocopes.com/ghostty/
1•ibobev•14m ago•0 comments

Show HN: NanoVector – A 120KB zero-dependency vector search engine in C and SIMD

https://github.com/eminsk/nanovector
2•eminskinfo•16m ago•0 comments

Hanoi Hannah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoi_Hannah
1•thunderbong•16m ago•0 comments

We're temporarily pausing new sign-ups and upgrades to the ChatGPT Pro $200 plan

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9793128-about-chatgpt-pro-tiers
1•embedding-shape•17m ago•0 comments

Buying GameCube games from other regions

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1•surprisetalk•19m ago•0 comments

Culture slop: how AI gave Brazil an American 1980s

https://albertoescarlate.substack.com/p/culture-slop-how-ai-gave-brazil-an
1•Anon84•19m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Foldelight – the iPhone Duo folding effect the MacBook was owed

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3•riffonio•20m ago•0 comments

Europe's difficult choices on AI – Mario Draghi

https://www.ft.com/content/f054f927-b512-452a-b494-ea53f5ac1079
1•nkjoep•22m ago•0 comments

Could United Launch Alliance's money problems force its owners to sell?

https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/09/could-united-launch-alliances-money-problems-finally-force-...
2•rbanffy•23m ago•0 comments

Twelve search APIs ran through the same AI agent to see which one helps it most

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3•2001asjad•23m ago•0 comments

The Oldest Architecture in Computing

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1•jreynar•25m ago•0 comments

Scheduling is NP-Hard. We need responses in milliseconds

https://cal.com/blog/scheduling-is-np-hard-we-need-responses-in-milliseconds
2•mirzap•29m ago•0 comments

Seeing high-dimensional data in two dimensions

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Make Claude Code Faster and Cheaper with Ory Lumen

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3•Bluestein•30m ago•0 comments

Parody on tech non-profits: The Association Organized

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2•dmwpnski•32m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Light Converter – background removal that runs in the browser

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1•lightScout•33m ago•0 comments

We need to build more data centers

https://hunchfox.substack.com/p/the-cost-of-abundance-ai-2030
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Code Contracts: Structured specifications colocated with code

https://code-contracts.cc/
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PythonOS – A tiny OS that boots into Python

https://github.com/jordanhubbard/pythonos
2•indigodaddy•34m ago•0 comments