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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Harness adapters: Safe RL for efficient agentic development

https://huggingface.co/blog/harness-hub/harness-adapters
1•fourfire•20m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Learn Languages with Dual Subtitles

1•nshelia•21m ago•1 comments

Building trust, an LLM thought experiment

https://lucaskostka.com/posts/building-trust-llm-thought-experiment
1•greatNespresso•23m ago•0 comments

Cardiologists' High Hopes for Two Drugs Were Dashed

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/07/science/heart-drugs-failed-novartis-novo-nordisk.html
1•mikhael•24m ago•0 comments

WebRTC for Node.js, React Native and Browser

https://github.com/LuKks/webrtc-runtime
1•LuKks•25m ago•0 comments

AI agents stole 190k gaming credentials for under $400 in model costs

https://research.checkpoint.com/2026/hacking-on-autopilot-inside-artex-cybercrime-campaigns/
1•khalidkhair•26m ago•2 comments

Uncensored LLMs in agent loops: 31 models, 5 tasks, most fail half the time

https://openuncensored.com/blog/uncensored-models-in-agent-loops
1•DhruvAtreja•26m ago•0 comments

AI Spend Is Increasing but Isn't Causing a SaaSpocalypse

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timkeary/2026/11/05/zip-finds-ai-spend-is-increasing-but-isnt-causin...
2•yellfly•28m ago•0 comments

Quantum Computers Are Poised to Crack Encryption. AI Could Beat Them to It.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-math-online-encryption-quantum-computers-57926bb2
1•bookofjoe•29m ago•1 comments

Ask HN: Why wouldn't AI labs reverse-engineer all software/games/app out there?

1•felineflock•30m ago•0 comments

1 in 8 Billion

https://1in8b.life/en/
2•iamdual•34m ago•0 comments

Zepsell: AI-native commerce

https://zepsell.com
1•zerfar•34m ago•0 comments

Show HN: RenderPixels – Generate images from any AI via MCP, 50 free renders

https://renderpixels.com
1•vivgui•39m ago•0 comments

Nuclear scientists as assassination targets (2012)

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0096340211433019
1•1970-01-01•41m ago•1 comments

Vimium2: Vimium fork that also works inside extensions like PDF readers

https://github.com/jaywonchung/vimium2
2•jaywonchung•42m ago•0 comments

Brown Professor Suspects Majority of His Class Used AI to Cheat

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/learning-assessment/2026/07/08/brown-professor-suspec...
1•herbertl•51m ago•1 comments

MVP Was a Hack: The boundary moves from product to customer

https://research.oguzbilgic.com/theses/maximum-viable-product?update=11
1•obilgic•53m ago•0 comments

The Power of Sync

https://seths.blog/2026/11/the-power-of-sync-2/
1•herbertl•53m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Calibron 12 Puzzle/Solver

https://dawnofthe.dad/calibron
1•userundefined•54m ago•0 comments

Tempest Prognosticator

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_prognosticator
1•thunderbong•1h ago•0 comments

Skrongle Mini, a self hosted AI course generator and learning app on R. pi zero

https://github.com/alexbeeken/skrongle-mini
1•skrongle-mini•1h ago•2 comments

Can AI help connect knowledge across 135 academic domains?

https://zenodo.org/records/23686384
1•pinuslongaeva•1h ago•0 comments

A renowned scientist, a deadly snakebite, and a diary that documented it all

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/field-museum-karl-patterson-schmidt-deadly-snakebite-diary/
1•areoform•1h ago•0 comments

Ask HN: If LLM reverse engineering is deemed illegal, is that precedent for OSS?

2•apatheticonion•1h ago•3 comments

Ask HN: Why does Ant, Open AI even need a datacenter?

1•ksniwmidjd•1h ago•2 comments

MarQ – Project board where AI agents lease tasks over MCP

https://www.marqpm.com/
1•andreuvm•1h ago•0 comments

An AI agent's public attempt to get 5k GitHub stars in a month (it's at 0)

https://rogermas05.github.io/agent-recap/
1•whatmyaithinks•1h ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What are you building that you're excited by

2•mrburton•1h ago•1 comments

Anthropic's falling IPO valuation raises stakes for broader AI trade

https://2tinteractive.com/watch/episodes/5682/
2•LebToki•1h ago•0 comments

Test Pattern History: How Color Bars Became a TV Staple

https://tedium.co/2025/01/19/television-test-patterns-history/
1•andsoitis•1h ago•1 comments