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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•6mo ago

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tocs3•6mo ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Apple Bleeding Talent to OpenAI

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/12/05/apple-bleeding-talent-to-openai/
1•mgh2•3m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A Markdown document manager in Rust

https://www.seychl.app/
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Browser history as a screening tool for sleep patterns

https://github.com/Circadiaware/webactogram
1•amadeuspagel•8m ago•0 comments

Winner Takes It All?

https://www.thatwastheweek.com/p/winner-takes-it-all-or-the-great
1•kteare•8m ago•0 comments

Why do we become mathematicians?

https://maa.org/math-values/why-do-we-become-mathematicians/
2•the-mitr•10m ago•0 comments

Belgium's Latest Pirate Site-Blocking Order Spares DNS Providers

https://torrentfreak.com/belgiums-latest-pirate-site-blocking-order-spares-dns-providers/
1•gslin•11m ago•0 comments

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https://morph-ai-era.online
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An Interview with Quincy Larson

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1•TheRealAlex123•14m ago•0 comments

Jean Sibelius Finlandia (1899)

https://www.laphil.com/musicdb/pieces/354/finlandia
1•krbaccord94f•23m ago•1 comments

Laughing Gas Can Offer Immediate Relief from Depression, Study Finds

https://www.sciencealert.com/laughing-gas-can-offer-immediate-relief-from-depression-study-finds
1•thunderbong•24m ago•2 comments

Krita – open-source Painting Program

https://krita.org/en/
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The Her Talking Phone May Have Arrived–She Speaks Chinese

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1•defvar•26m ago•0 comments

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1•privsen•27m ago•2 comments

AI – For Building a Transformer Model

1•Keerthikamathi•34m ago•0 comments

Wiskerwood: Establish a home for your industrious mice

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How to get the launchpad back in macOS 26

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Doo – 0.2.0 Alpha Release

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1•nynrathod•53m ago•1 comments

'The Fall of Icarus': How the remarkable shot was captured

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/05/science/fall-of-icarus-skydiver-image
1•ashishgupta2209•1h ago•1 comments

Automate GEO tracking by turning the browser into an API

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1•arjunchint•1h ago•1 comments

Making a Programming Language

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rsyslog Goes AI First

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1•pabs3•1h ago•0 comments

DIY 1-pixel compressed-sensing camera with LED source but no moving parts

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Oscar Live Coding Environment

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1•cristoperb•1h ago•0 comments

I built a free tool that extracts Go code semantically for LLM context

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1•vinodhalaharvi•1h ago•1 comments

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1•mohamedraheem•1h ago•2 comments

Are sperm banks in Denmark rejecting donors based on their IQ?

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1•TMWNN•1h ago•0 comments

The Mundanity of Excellence

https://fermatslibrary.com/s/the-mundanity-of-excellence-an-ethnographic-report-on-stratification...
2•dvrp•1h ago•1 comments

Show HN: Monitor downloads and engagement in Figma Community

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1•kii9999•1h ago•1 comments

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https://geetanjaliapp.com
2•vnykmshr•1h ago•0 comments

Retool uses Loop to turn production data into AI roadmap decisions

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2•mooreds•1h ago•0 comments