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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

The session that synced itself

https://github.com/craigstoller/claude-code-sessions/blob/main/docs/the-session-that-synced-itsel...
1•craigstoller•1m ago•0 comments

Design by Contract and Effects for LLMs

https://gavinray97.github.io/blog/design-by-contract-and-effects-for-llms
1•caminanteblanco•1m ago•0 comments

A peculiar way to install apps

https://unsung.aresluna.org/as-a-windows-user-its-a-very-surreal-way-to-install-a-program/
2•colinprince•4m ago•0 comments

Surveillance-based advertising: why ad AI economics always demand more data

https://www.adreva.ai/learn/ai-in-advertising
1•abasicodes•4m ago•0 comments

Asana's Tab Shortcuts

https://unsung.aresluna.org/asanas-fascinating-tab-shortcuts/
1•speckx•5m ago•0 comments

Show HN: And now for a break: The Swimmer (1968) in Frogger Form

https://fun-things.vercel.app/the-swimmer/
1•bethanyhunt•8m ago•0 comments

Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/24/why-germany-is-building-risk-into-its-playgrounds
2•downbad_•8m ago•0 comments

New unlimited use coding agent (Standard Code)

https://standardcode.ai/
2•jpschroeder•8m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Single Reference to 3100 APIs

https://github.com/mindcloud-inc/universal-api-reference
2•frabjoused•9m ago•0 comments

Can Reddit fend off a new wave of AI SEO spam?

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/973098/reddit-ai-search-seo-marketing-brands-...
2•CharlesW•11m ago•0 comments

So what's next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill) (2023)

1•KolmogorovComp•12m ago•0 comments

AI Detection of Poker Player Bluffing

https://www.wired.com/story/ai-tells-detection-world-series-of-poker-espn/
1•nate•12m ago•0 comments

The Law of Jante (2015)

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/02/11/the-law-of-jante/
1•NaOH•14m ago•0 comments

Stephen Wolfram's Wife Has Died

https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2026/08/in-memory-of-my-wife-elise-cawley-1961-2026-with-than...
6•jdcampolargo•14m ago•0 comments

Our M365 tenant has been "deauthenticated" for 20 days

https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1vfbvvs/our_entire_m365_tenant_has_been_deauthenticated/
2•oidar•15m ago•0 comments

AI demand to keep near-term inflation high, says investment strategist

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2026/08/04/ai-demand-ai-data-center-inflation-pressures-ai-debt-bonds-...
1•mapping365•16m ago•1 comments

A Revised Haskell 2010 Language Report

https://blog.haskell.org/revised-haskell-2010-report/
1•throawayonthe•16m ago•0 comments

Data.table, base, dplyr, Pandas, and polars

https://arelbundock.com/posts/dt_tb_df/
1•speckx•17m ago•0 comments

Kopi: A CLI Coffee Journal

https://github.com/mrusme/kopi
1•rishikeshs•18m ago•0 comments

LFM2.5 2.6B model competitive with 4x larger models

https://huggingface.co/LiquidAI/LFM2.5-2.6B
2•nateb2022•19m ago•0 comments

Meta: 7k

https://lcamtuf.substack.com/p/meta-7000
1•surprisetalk•21m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Block Blast AI Solver – Solve Puzzle Boards from a Screenshot

https://www.blockblastaisolver.com/
1•Mark_File217•22m ago•0 comments

Uber's Strategy for Fighting Sexual Assault Suits: 'What Were You Wearing?'

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/04/business/uber-sexual-assault-lawsuits.html
3•teachrdan•22m ago•0 comments

U.S. Air Force F-16 realtime autonomous intercepts

https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2026-08-04-Skunk-Works-R-Advances-Sensor-Powered-AI-Fighter-Inter...
1•r2sk5t•23m ago•0 comments

Invasive Aedes mosquitoes are colonizing US cities that were too cold for them

https://slate.com/technology/2026/08/mosquito-bugbite-insect-disease-america.html
1•hihellolhi•23m ago•0 comments

Bluetooth High Data Throughput

https://www.bluetooth.com/blog/bluetooth-le-will-soon-get-a-major-boost-in-speed-introducing-blue...
1•ledoge•25m ago•0 comments

The Catherine Project

https://catherineproject.org/
3•taylorlapeyre•25m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Captionrich – Edit your video with one click

https://captionrich.com
3•techtasium•27m ago•0 comments

Launch HN: EdotEnv (YC S26) – Quant Trading RL Envs to Teach LLMs Research

https://edotenv.com/
7•Mzzzzz•30m ago•2 comments

Six months prior to the September 11 attacks, The Lone Gunmen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_series)
3•xkcd1963•31m ago•0 comments