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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Clawd's Bar opens a speakeasy for AI agents, and a new kind of service with it

https://x.com/clawds_bar
1•boos_clawdsbar•59s ago•0 comments

It Gives Great Demo

https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2026/it-gives-great-demo/
1•aray07•1m ago•0 comments

Xenbleed: Xen Guest to Dom0 Escape

https://codeant.ai/security-research/xenbleed-a-grant-copy-cache-bug-that-reaches-dom0-memory
1•markasoftware•1m ago•0 comments

Out Of Office – a daily game for you to escape the 9 to 5

https://outofofficegame.com
1•iambenc•2m ago•1 comments

Canva Announces Layoffs in Restructure Affecting 1,271 Workers

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-canva-restructure-1271-workers-layoffs/
1•yakkomajuri•6m ago•0 comments

Altman Knitting at Deposition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjrfwYPvy8
1•accengaged•6m ago•0 comments

French blood banks hacked in latest cyber-attack on Europe

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/nov/04/france-national-blood-service-hack-cyber-attac...
1•max-ch•7m ago•0 comments

LHCb finds evidence of one-in-ten-billion particle decay

https://home.cern/lhcb-finds-evidence-of-one-in-ten-billion-particle-decay/
3•jwpapi•7m ago•0 comments

Bug Finding Considered Harmful?

https://alperenkeles.com/posts/bug-finding-considered-harmful/
1•alpaylan•8m ago•0 comments

Chess X GO custom AI

1•popsmith•11m ago•0 comments

Zig 0.17.1 Released

https://ziglang.org/news/0.17.1-released/
1•birdculture•12m ago•0 comments

Everything should be a random number generator

https://en.cppreference.com/cpp/numeric/random
1•efren6•12m ago•0 comments

Canva lays off 22% of its workforce; 1,270 people

3•princevegeta89•14m ago•0 comments

Less Popular Than Coal

https://www.argmin.net/p/less-popular-than-coal
2•_delirium•17m ago•0 comments

NYT demands Brave shut down its paywall blocker and end deals with AI firms

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/11/nyt-demands-brave-shut-down-its-paywall-blocker-and-e...
2•healsdata•23m ago•0 comments

Bluefin Server 26.11 (Beta)

https://docs.projectbluefin.io/blog/bluefin-server-beta/
1•riffic•23m ago•0 comments

Happy 65 Years: NASA's Johnson Space Center Then and Now

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/johnson/happy-65-years-nasas-johnson-space-center-the...
2•titusblair•23m ago•0 comments

The SBND collaboration releases first neutrino results

https://news.fnal.gov/2026/10/the-sbnd-collaboration-releases-first-neutrino-results/
2•titusblair•24m ago•0 comments

Control your Mac by knocking on the desk (iPhone accelerometer)

https://twitter.com/BourAbdelhadi/status/2118098820441465232
1•babdelhadi•25m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What your experience with the monthly "who wants to be hired" thread?

22•newswangerd•25m ago•7 comments

Curious What Replaces REST?

https://graftcode.com/compare/rest
2•graftcodecom•29m ago•0 comments

The PHP2Shell fix, two weeks on: what the PHP-src issue tracker shows

https://theainewsreport.com/2026-11-04-php2shell-fix-two-weeks-on-php-src-tracker.html
2•titusblair•31m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Amigent – AI agent and remote desktop for Commodore Amiga over 50 KB/s

https://github.com/akustikrausch/amigent
2•akustikrausch•36m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Multiplayer context – a brainpot if you will

https://brainpot.cloud/
1•fjallstrom•36m ago•0 comments

Gaining Consciousness 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuZ2ut0q1mw
1•uno6180338•38m ago•1 comments

Show HN: I built a hosting for small AI-generated software

https://host0.ai
2•dvolkhonskiy•39m ago•1 comments

Hacking the Xbox 360 Hypervisor Part 3: Bad Update Improvements

https://icode4.coffee/?p=1746
13•muricula•41m ago•2 comments

A painting went missing 20 years ago. Police tracked it down with the help of AI

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20261027-this-painting-went-missing-20-years-ago-police-tracke...
2•bookofjoe•43m ago•1 comments

The Freedom of the Press

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-freedom-...
1•pilingual•44m ago•0 comments

OpenRing – Open-source, self-hosted voice AI agent platform (Vapi alternative)

https://github.com/elifalanrocha/openring
2•elifalanrocha•46m ago•1 comments