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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Boeing says it will be ready to fund new plane programme by 2030

https://www.ft.com/content/c688ea11-c066-44a3-9372-2e2293e9e6f9
1•JumpCrisscross•5m ago•0 comments

Principia Artificialis – Mathematical Foundations of Artificial Thought

https://github.com/holland202/Principia-Artificialis
2•badatchess•7m ago•0 comments

Gaia Skill Tree: a registry where every agent skill ships with an evidence chain

https://github.com/gaia-research/gaia-skill-tree
1•nova-gaia•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Ticker-line.com – embeddable market sparkline SVGs

https://ticker-line.com/
1•kahtaf•12m ago•0 comments

Scientists are regrowing human teeth

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260717-goodbye-implants-scientists-are-regrowing-teeth
2•dabinat•14m ago•0 comments

Is it a slop if it's not sloppy?

https://mkagenius.substack.com/p/is-it-a-slop-if-its-not-sloppy
2•mkagenius•17m ago•0 comments

Jurassic Park packed $4M of legit 1993 computer hardware

https://www.tomshardware.com/desktops/jurassic-park-packed-usd4-million-of-legit-1993-computer-ha...
4•sbulaev•22m ago•1 comments

xAI's first lawsuit against a user tests who is responsible for what Grok makes

https://thenextweb.com/news/xai-sues-grok-user-csam-terms-of-service
4•nyku•23m ago•1 comments

We want Texans to know their rights

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/07/we-want-texans-know-their-rights-qa-mayday-health-impact-su...
12•amarcheschi•26m ago•2 comments

The Control Group Is Out of Control (2014)

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/28/the-control-group-is-out-of-control/
3•downbad_•27m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: How are you doing threat modeling for Terraform/IaC?

2•PotatoFy•29m ago•1 comments

On Creativity

https://twitter.com/bekhovsgun/status/2078959026004471973
3•reb•30m ago•0 comments

Grok-iOS – remote Grok Build from your iPhone over ACP

https://github.com/Pedroshakoor/grok-build-ios
2•pedroshakoor•38m ago•0 comments

Biggest Probabilistic Computer Turns Noise into Answers

https://spectrum.ieee.org/biggest-probabilistic-computer
2•rbanffy•47m ago•0 comments

Bad roads act as filters (1967)

https://wist.info/krutch-joseph-wood/53557/
2•dredmorbius•48m ago•1 comments

Is AI Progress Real? Four Independent Metrics Show It

https://skepticcto.substack.com/p/is-ai-progress-real-a-skepticcto
2•rbuccigrossi•50m ago•0 comments

Offload: Parallelize your test suite across 200 cloud sandboxes

https://imbue.com/product/offload
2•nvader•52m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A canvas-based note taking and organizer app

https://www.passinote.app/
7•passiflora96•57m ago•2 comments

Fayetteville officers fired for misusing license plate system

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/3-fayetteville-officers-fired-misusing-license-plate-system
7•pir8life4me•59m ago•1 comments

Three HPC Gurus Ask: Do We Still Need GPUs?

https://www.nextplatform.com/compute/2026/06/30/three-hpc-gurus-ask-do-we-still-need-gpus/5264552
3•rbanffy•59m ago•0 comments

How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/17/climate/company-climate-change-commitments-renege.html
6•littlexsparkee•1h ago•0 comments

Beware Change-Blocking Priors

https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/beware-change-blocking-priors
2•paulpauper•1h ago•0 comments

AI advice made people 3x less accurate but 2x confident, researchers found

https://thenextweb.com/news/ai-advice-suppresses-critical-thinking-wrong-answers-study
53•rbanffy•1h ago•13 comments

Show HN: ShipMD.app – Moving things in folders, move things in the real world

https://shipmd.app
2•bosky101•1h ago•0 comments

Built 160 micro calculator tools and the keyword data genuinely surprised me

https://www.indiehackers.com/post/built-160-micro-calculator-tools-and-the-keyword-data-genuinely...
3•julian-vix•1h ago•0 comments

Forbes Thinks AI Created a New Profession. History Has Seen It Before

https://futurehangover.substack.com/p/forbes-thinks-ai-created-a-new-profession
3•DefNotAiForSure•1h ago•3 comments

Cronstable, a cron replacement with retries, DAGs and a TUI/web dashboard

https://github.com/ptweezy/cronstable
2•ptweezy•1h ago•0 comments

A new Intel Itanium (IA-64) emulator that boots Windows

https://raymii.org/s/blog/Intel_Itanium_IA-64-Emulator_that_boots_Windows.html
22•jandeboevrie•1h ago•11 comments

Americans are angry about data centers. Politicians are feeling the pressure

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/americans-are-angry-about-data-centers-politicians-are-feeling-p...
14•baranul•1h ago•1 comments

From Enlightenment to Alignment

https://smolnero.com/posts/from-enlightenment-to-alignment
2•andsoitis•1h ago•0 comments