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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Personal Superintelligence

https://www.meta.com/superintelligence/
1•lopespm•1m ago•0 comments

Hackers exploit Collabora RCE flaw to backdoor Nextcloud servers

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-exploit-collabora-rce-flaw-to-backdoor-nex...
1•wondersky•2m ago•0 comments

Visual Nerve, Free workflow visualization and simulation with MCP

https://www.visualnerve.com/
1•jclsn•3m ago•0 comments

AI usage causes broken windows (2005)

https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-broken-window-theory/
1•matt3210•3m ago•1 comments

Flock CEO defends surveillance technology amid national backlash

https://techcrunch.com/2026/10/14/flock-ceo-defends-surveillance-technology-amid-national-backlas...
1•nsdfg•4m ago•0 comments

Until – A workflow where developers decide what to build and AI does the coding

https://until.dev/
2•untldev•7m ago•0 comments

Shared Spaces for Your Agents

https://cua.ai/
1•dvrp•9m ago•0 comments

$50k First Letters Prize Awarded for PHerc 343

https://scrollprize.substack.com/p/50k-first-letters-prize-awarded-for
1•dcminter•14m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Guess the LLM – read an answer and guess which model wrote it

https://guessthellm.com/
2•aravindnatch•15m ago•0 comments

Bari Weiss Needs a New Idea

https://rosselliotbarkan.com/p/bari-weiss-needs-a-new-idea
1•slowin•16m ago•0 comments

Oral argument transcript, Salazar vs. Paramount Global, No. 25-459 [pdf]

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2026/25-459_i425.pdf
1•qingcharles•17m ago•0 comments

How Climate Change Is Causing 'The Gentrification of Seafood'

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/13/dining/seafood-prices-shellfish-climate-change.html
1•littlexsparkee•17m ago•0 comments

How to Find a Power Outlet in Japan

https://donnykimball.com/japan-power-outlet-70accd4be846
4•bookofjoe•18m ago•2 comments

LLMs are not AGM (though some have internal monologue)

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2026/10/15/llms-are-not-agm-though-some-have-internal-monologue/
1•d_silin•18m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: How did Call of Duty fix "update requires restart"?

1•zachrip•19m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Byakugan Scan – fast macOS OCR by keeping screen capture in memory

https://github.com/halcyon-past/byakugan-scan
1•halcyon-past•19m ago•1 comments

Verifiers First, Rubrics Second

https://rlafuente.com/posts/2026-10-11-agent-evals-4-verifiers-first-rubrics-second.html
1•andes314•21m ago•0 comments

HoverEnhance is a free Mac app that surfaces useful stuff on-hover

https://hoverenhance.com/
1•jesse_dot_id•23m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Rebuilt our directory of 241 AI tools for hardware engineering

https://productflo.io/ai-tools
1•Sergekad0•25m ago•0 comments

Bend Oregon elementary school active shooter killed; Multiple victims reported

https://katu.com/news/local/bend-police-responding-to-reported-active-shooter-situation-at-silver...
2•panny•25m ago•0 comments

AI Building vs. AI Buying: The Transatlantic Split

https://www.apollo.com/wealth/insights-news/insights/daily-spark/ai-building-vs-ai-buying-the-tra...
1•akyuu•25m ago•0 comments

What happens when you message a Grok Bot

https://www.peterp.me/articles/what-actually-happens-when-you-message-grok-bot/
1•thegreatpeter•26m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Asked LLM to show the most stereotypical man/woman for each country

https://anvaka.github.io/imaginary-faces/#
2•anvaka•26m ago•2 comments

Neon Ships Neon Realtime with Postgres Live Queries

https://neon.com/blog/neon-now-has-realtime
3•andrelandgraf•27m ago•0 comments

Polymorphism (Part 1): Stop Teaching "Dog Extends Animal"

https://xenoterracide.com/polymorphism-part-1-stop-teaching-dog-extends-animal-d866e681c516?sk=1e...
2•rmason•27m ago•2 comments

Show HN: An improved kokoro distillation in 9MB

https://huggingface.co/spaces/MithrilMan/teacher-in-the-loop
1•mithrilman•27m ago•0 comments

We fired the frontier model from two AI pipelines. Here are the receipts

https://seldon-ai.com/blog/we-fired-the-frontier-model
1•nlpnerd•28m ago•0 comments

AI Research Tools – Literature Discovery, LaTeX and Reproducibility

https://github.com/mahmoudsajjadi/awesome-ai-research-tools
1•mahmoudsajjadi•30m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Drift – Hot air balloon simulator

https://hakancn.com/drift/
1•dcdr•30m ago•0 comments

Laggards, Luddites, and the Lost

https://zkrhass.com/writing/laggards-luddites-and-the-lost
1•zkrhass_•31m ago•0 comments