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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Tesla discontinues its Solar Roof tiles, not economically viable

https://electrek.co/2026/08/20/tesla-discontinues-solar-roof-panels-only/
1•MilnerRoute•3m ago•0 comments

BanProof – AI that scans TikTok Shop videos for violation points before you post

https://banproof.io/
1•Pratham3690•3m ago•0 comments

World Humanoid Robot Games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Humanoid_Robot_Games
1•RickJWagner•9m ago•0 comments

He Was Wrongly Convicted of Attempted Rape. He's Suing the DNA Analysts

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/23/nyregion/new-york-dna-analysts-sued-rape-conviction.html
1•CaliforniaKarl•10m ago•0 comments

Spreadsheet-Defined Function Demo

https://casey.github.io/IronCalc/
1•rodarmor•13m ago•1 comments

New Experimental to Test #1 Craze

https://outgame.lol
1•thronebuster•15m ago•1 comments

The Lifecycle of LLM-as-a-Judge for Large-Scale Recommendation Explanations

https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.18300
1•mooreds•16m ago•0 comments

A Unicode Lover's Manifesto

https://dreamstation.systems/A%20Unicode%20Lover%E2%80%99s%20Manifesto.txt
1•robinpie•23m ago•0 comments

F/OSS Comics #9: The Unix Philosophy

https://fosscomics.com/posts/9.%20The%20Unix%20Philosophy/
1•joonehur•29m ago•0 comments

Maps and database of 802.11 wireless networks, with statistics

https://wigle.net/
2•momentmaker•30m ago•0 comments

The first search engine for Internet-connected devices

https://www.shodan.io/
2•momentmaker•32m ago•0 comments

Worldwide animated weather map, with easy to use layer and precise spot forecast

https://www.windy.com
3•momentmaker•34m ago•0 comments

Show HN: CodeDuel: Compete against AI to stay sharp

https://www.duelai.dev/
1•Nahom_a•34m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Fast video cutter that works 100% locally in the browser

https://convertix-fast-imager-co.blogspot.com/p/convertix-free-online-image-converter.html
1•convertix123•36m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Rally (Real-Time Dual-Arm Robotic Table Tennis System)

https://github.com/ColonelToad/Rally
1•tolugenius•41m ago•0 comments

Fat Men's Club

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_men%27s_club
2•handfuloflight•43m ago•0 comments

Slump in eastern Australia gas demand shows no signs of easing (2025)

https://ieefa.org/resources/slump-eastern-australia-gas-demand-shows-no-signs-easing
3•thunderbong•46m ago•1 comments

Focus Is the Main Feature: Why I Miss the Old Claude Code

https://alexkras.com/focus-is-the-main-feature-why-i-miss-the-old-claude-code/
1•akras14•50m ago•0 comments

Centaur vs. Cyborg Being a Fisherman

1•wwolfson97•51m ago•0 comments

NVK Vulkan Video Merged for Mesa 26.3

https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVK-Vulkan-Video-Mesa-26.3
3•doener•1h ago•0 comments

Persistent RCE via BootROM and Kernel

https://github.com/lexs201992-gif/Project-LION-Manager-Provisioning-Enterprise/blob/a310e16ec48cd...
2•lexs201992-gif•1h ago•0 comments

How 'Stacks' Went from Bodybuilding and Computing to Describing Everything

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/13/magazine/stacks-bodybuilding-computing.html
1•bookofjoe•1h ago•0 comments

Offgrid Electric Car (2025)

https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/offgrid_electric_car/
1•gnyeki•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Website made $29,000 in 24 hours

https://1milllionpixels.com/
1•westche2222•1h ago•0 comments

Vintage Artificial Intelligence Collection

https://archive.org/details/vintageai
3•Unai•1h ago•0 comments

How to be psychoactive to each other

https://eirinimalliaraki.substack.com/p/how-to-be-psychoactive-to-each-other
2•jger15•1h ago•0 comments

Dr. Dre Says He Uses AI to Produce Songs

https://gizmodo.com/dr-dre-says-he-uses-ai-to-produce-songs-2000802009
2•pseudolus•1h ago•0 comments

Manjaro.org Certificates Expired Again

https://manjaro.org
2•zebreus•1h ago•0 comments

Uber faces fine of nearly $1B over automated driver suspensions

https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/23/uber-faces-fine-of-nearly-1b-over-automated-driver-suspensions/
2•pseudolus•1h ago•0 comments

We asked Claude if we should help the baby bird.

https://james1ach.substack.com/p/mourning-doves
1•jger15•1h ago•0 comments