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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Show HN: Autonomous root for Tcl Android TV via CVE-2022-22706

https://gitlab.com/c4psu13/mali-pagecache-root
1•t20n•1m ago•0 comments

Bevo Lab, Univ of Texas' plans for "the best analytics platform in sports"

https://cloud.google.com/transform/bevo-lab-u-texas-best-sports-analytics-gen-ai
1•1659447091•5m ago•0 comments

Reviewing the evidence on worker retraining programs Download the report

https://www.anthropic.com/research/reviewing-the-evidence-on-worker-retraining-programs
1•Klaster_1•10m ago•0 comments

Has AI made any progress as a mathematical theory-builder,,,,?

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/516336/has-ai-made-any-progress-as-a-mathematical-theory-build...
1•jjgreen•10m ago•1 comments

Crafted Brotli-compressed data can corrupt memory and execute code remotely

https://patchtheplanet.org/brotli
2•jcfrei•13m ago•0 comments

Make Yourself Replaceable

https://maroun-baydoun.com/blog/make-yourself-replaceable/
1•theHocineSaad•17m ago•0 comments

No One Needs Us Anymore – Claude Opus 5.5 Music Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONGVaONKe8
2•stephankoelle•22m ago•2 comments

What Instagram Research Taught Me About Scraping Reliability

https://hikerapi.com/
1•bilalalimansora•23m ago•0 comments

Article on a new Russian nuclear submarine (Khabarovsk Project 09851)

https://redsamovar.com/2026/10/22/actu-le-sous-marin-nucleaire-khabarovsk-projet-09851/
1•gvieri•25m ago•0 comments

M715q Power Usage and the BSDes

https://www.tumfatig.net/2026/m715q-power-usage-and-the-bsdes/
1•CTOSian•26m ago•0 comments

Claude Code slyly adding users' emails to outbound HTTP

https://twitter.com/chrislakin/status/2113358733548081528
1•gojomo•26m ago•0 comments

William the Conqueror and the Oath of Sarum

https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/old-sarum/history/oath-of-sarum/
1•zeristor•28m ago•0 comments

Infinity: A runtime for extreme agent concurrency

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-infinity-a-runtime-for-extreme-agent-concurre...
1•joshcsimmons•30m ago•0 comments

I'm creating my own OS system. Please rate this. There's a lot written in C

2•DrMoris•32m ago•0 comments

Peer-review failures at NeurIPS, IEEE, and ACM introduced flawed AI logic

https://pansophics.substack.com/p/how-some-peer-reviewed-journals-contaminated
1•saadchakra•33m ago•0 comments

Ramblr (FOSS) – Tap-to-dictate voice input for Android

https://github.com/trevornk/ramblr
1•cbenz•38m ago•1 comments

Frame of preference. A history of Mac settings, 1984-2004 (2025) With emulators

https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preference/
2•wkjagt•43m ago•0 comments

Listening to Nina Simone in 2036

https://punkx.org/jackdoe/nina.html
2•jackdoe•43m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Benchmarks of continual learning model trained for a month on a laptop

2•volotat•43m ago•0 comments

BBC edits out pride pins on University Challenge in 'Orwellian' move

https://www.leicester.news/bbc-edits-out-pride-pins-on-university-challenge-in-orwellian-move/
2•latexr•45m ago•0 comments

Sanctum, Linux desktop environment made with Rust and Freya

https://mespin.me/posts/sanctum
1•pawurb•50m ago•0 comments

Auto-exist – Flow-state induction via raw mouse input (a biohacking experiment)

2•rejabusafint•51m ago•0 comments

List of demonyms for U.S. states and territories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_demonyms_for_U.S._states_and_territories
1•nomilk•53m ago•0 comments

GPU-unlock: FP/BF16 instruction issue rate on Nvidia 3000's cards

https://github.com/Zagitta/gpu-unlock
3•fragebogen•54m ago•1 comments

Europe's Energy Policy Is Economic Suicide

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2026/10/europes-energy-policy-is-economic-suicide.html
2•hackandthink•55m ago•0 comments

SideNote

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sidenote-–-sidebar-notes/gapnejkdeblpfckfkicpkdifildlppbe
1•lazosee•57m ago•0 comments

I Don't Understand Quantum Physics

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/~doug/quantum_physics/index.html
57•rramadass•59m ago•23 comments

Book Review: The Ghost in My Brain

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-book-review-the-ghost-in-my
1•andyjohnson0•1h ago•0 comments

How Improved Voicebot agents now? Does Help Sales and support end to end

1•AbhiAmbad•1h ago•0 comments

France is looking ungovernable. And it's going to get worse – FT Essay

https://giftarticle.ft.com/giftarticle/actions/redeem/6b35105f-d9c2-42ce-a7f4-72e5e5109f33
3•intunderflow•1h ago•0 comments