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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

The Gen X Career Meltdown (2025)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/28/style/gen-x-creative-work.html
1•Michelangelo11•2m ago•0 comments

In Praise of Exhaustive Destructuring

https://antoine.vandecreme.net/blog/exhaustive-destructuring-praise/
1•avandecreme•6m ago•0 comments

AST vs. Bytecode (2023) [pdf]

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1•tosh•7m ago•0 comments

When They Steal Our Future

https://karenkelsky.substack.com/p/when-they-steal-our-future
1•Michelangelo11•9m ago•0 comments

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHcZf9E0esA
1•skibz•9m ago•0 comments

School Is Not Enough

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1•ronfriedhaber•10m ago•0 comments

Ghostel.el: Terminal emulator powered by libghostty

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https://github.com/dotbrt/dejaview
1•thisbrt•11m ago•0 comments

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4•geox•13m ago•1 comments

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1•Imbryk•14m ago•0 comments

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https://github.com/asallay/godot-llm
1•steamspaghetti•15m ago•0 comments

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2•skibz•30m ago•0 comments

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3•shintoist•34m ago•0 comments

Finetuning a Reasoning LLM with Supervised or Reinforcement Learning?

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2•verdverm•34m ago•0 comments

Political Neutrality Benchmark of popular AI models

https://neutralityproject.org/results.html
4•ryzvonusef•42m ago•0 comments

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3•LAC-Tech•50m ago•0 comments

xs: Concatenative array language inspired by kdb+/q in OCaml

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Edge Password Bulk Manager

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NetBSD as a Desktop: A Nostalgic '90s Experience

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Forget "Fat" Models. The Future Is Narrow

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3•adlrocha•1h ago•0 comments

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3•ivan_holovach•1h ago•0 comments

I Built a WordPress Plugin Nobody Asked For. Here's Why –. and How

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2•taubek•1h ago•0 comments

Stop Getting 'Good' at ChatGPT (2024)

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2•LAC-Tech•1h ago•0 comments

Atomic Physics in Pure Anglo-Saxon

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3•xelxebar•1h ago•0 comments

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3•Oxlamarr•1h ago•0 comments

Lindsey Graham has died

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/12/us/politics/lindsey-graham-dead.html
11•josefrichter•1h ago•4 comments