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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Connection allowlists: Secure your web application's network access

https://developer.chrome.com/blog/connection-allowlist-announcement
1•nnx•3m ago•0 comments

Per Aspera Ad Profundum

https://profane-tmesis.info/ad-profundum
1•riskone•19m ago•0 comments

PKLM Sandbox – Lightweight open-source repository for PKLM Core

https://github.com/TheImmortalPython/pklm-sandbox
1•TheImmortalPyth•29m ago•0 comments

Differences Between `Foldl` and `Foldr`

https://blog.haskell.org/foldl-and-foldr/
3•signa11•30m ago•0 comments

Global bond sell-off deepens as Asian yields jump

https://www.ft.com/content/e485a228-1efe-426b-addc-26069ba48bf3
2•JumpCrisscross•30m ago•0 comments

Bill Gates's Blunt Warning on A.I

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/29/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-bill-gates.html
1•andsoitis•33m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Vietnam Tender Intelligence – gov procurement data, AI-agent ready

https://apify.com/donerightlabs/tender-intelligence
1•tvttrace•38m ago•0 comments

Researcher Discovers Experimental Evidence of New Type of Magnetism

https://www.ucf.edu/news/ucf-researcher-discovers-experimental-evidence-of-new-type-of-magnetism/
1•geox•41m ago•0 comments

Continual Outreach – A self refining customer discovery process

https://github.com/giga-james/continual-outreach
1•kunggaochicken•47m ago•1 comments

Blind constraints, not blind spots

https://gmays.com/blind-constraints-not-blind-spots/
1•gmays•50m ago•0 comments

Beating the Compiler

https://www.mattkeeter.com/blog/2024-07-12-interpreter/
1•andsoitis•52m ago•0 comments

RIP Facebook

https://senecaeffect.substack.com/p/rip-facebook
1•Beijinger•53m ago•3 comments

Ao: Homoiconic Solid Modeling [pdf]

https://www.mattkeeter.com/research/ao_poster.pdf
1•andsoitis•55m ago•0 comments

Fuck Android Developer Verification Program

https://twitter.com/0xcrypto/status/2105515822643114182
7•0xcrypto•56m ago•1 comments

Chinese batteries potentially 'booby-trapped' to 'plode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boI_WUtForo
1•vaxman•59m ago•1 comments

Fine tuning STT models to help with my Lisp

https://vivekkairi.com/fine-tuning-stt-models-to-my-speech-part-2/
2•vivekkairi•1h ago•0 comments

Why do you need freedom?

https://geohot.github.io//blog/jekyll/update/2026/10/01/why-do-you-need-freedom.html
5•smilelamp•1h ago•3 comments

Arc and Mutex in Rust

https://itsallaboutthebit.com/arc-mutex/
1•auraham•1h ago•0 comments

Arc<Mutex<_>> in Rust

https://aeshirey.github.io/code/2020/12/23/arc-mutex-in-rust.html
1•auraham•1h ago•0 comments

Nibbi: The Chompi Club as a VST

https://www.temeculadsp.com/nibbi
1•johnwheeler•1h ago•0 comments

AI research is dead, long live AI

https://kylrth.com/post/ai-research-is-dead/
1•dddddaviddddd•1h ago•0 comments

Systems: Sales Coaching Platform Which Changes Behaviors

https://10systems.xyz
1•Assane_D•1h ago•0 comments

Tennessee inmate still alive after being administered two lethal injections

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-pea...
12•techolic•1h ago•11 comments

Mortal Knesset: Twelve contenders. One seat of power

https://mortalknesset.liad0205.workers.dev/
1•escargot•1h ago•0 comments

Can anyone promote my extension on 50/50 profit sharing basis?

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/digital-shield-tab-suspen/pkonihncnkmbejhhjadaognganhinnhc
1•digitaShida•1h ago•1 comments

PSSA: A non-transformer language model written from scratch in Rust

https://ai-news-site-cyan.vercel.app/articles/2026-09-30-pssa-a-non-transformer-language-model-wr...
2•qrify_app•1h ago•0 comments

Thoughts on AI

https://medium.com/@dhillonravi1983/thoughts-on-ai-1e1400f9fe4f
3•dhillonrav1983•1h ago•1 comments

Gboard Conveyor Belt Version [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAn34l_YrUM
1•caseyross•1h ago•0 comments

Lights, Camera, Attack: Exploiting Temporal HDR Fusion with Pulsed Light

https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.37742
1•sbulaev•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: A 311 byte Klotski solver in C++

https://github.com/Dream-World-Coder/depuzzled
1•midnight_dream•1h ago•0 comments