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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•10mo ago

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tocs3•10mo ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

GoScrapy: New Fast Web Scraping with Go (Built for Concurrency)

https://github.com/tech-engine/goscrapy
1•stonework•1m ago•0 comments

Mexico's President Sheinbaum Decrees Universal Healthcare for 120M

https://thedeepdive.ca/mexicos-president-sheinbaum-decrees-universal-healthcare-for-120-million/
1•testing22321•2m ago•0 comments

Show HN: AnimTOON – AI that animates SVGs with 3-4x fewer tokens than OmniLottie

https://github.com/srk0102/AnimTOON
1•srk0102•2m ago•0 comments

Open Source Alternative to Claude Managed Agents

https://agents.opencomputer.dev
2•iacguy•3m ago•1 comments

Bespoke OLAP: Using AI to Synthesize Workload-Specific DBMS Engines from Scratch

https://ucbskyadrs.github.io/blog/bespoke-olap/
1•matt_d•4m ago•0 comments

You know what I haven't ever seen? a good blogpost from an AI

1•wrqvrwvq•6m ago•0 comments

PC Repair OKC

https://okcitpros.com/
1•Veritaco•6m ago•1 comments

Automatic U.S. military draft registration planned by December, filing shows

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/09/military-draft-registration-automatic-iran-war.html
2•MilnerRoute•9m ago•1 comments

What makes search hard in production

https://www.searchplex.net/blog/what-makes-search-hard
1•eskimo87•11m ago•0 comments

Understanding Agents: Code Coverage for Coding Agents

https://blog.asymmetric.re/understanding-agents-code-coverage-for-coding-agents/
2•matt_d•11m ago•0 comments

Train Your Judgement

https://emilkowal.ski/ui/train-your-judgement
2•cristinacordova•14m ago•0 comments

Workflows in Your ADE

https://reliantlabs.io/
3•steeling1•17m ago•1 comments

SMS delivery is not deterministic: routing defines behavior

https://blog.bridgexapi.io/you-dont-control-sms-delivery-you-control-routing
1•Bridgexapi•21m ago•2 comments

Tell HN: I will pay money for a YouTube front end that stops the "Rec Roulette"

1•frmersdog•23m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I made a skill to tell AI on how to use human as Dobby

https://github.com/LittleLittleCloud/Dobby
2•BigBigMiao•28m ago•0 comments

How bonds ended the Civil War - and led to the rise of J.P. Morgan

https://www.barrons.com/articles/investment-banking-jpmorgan-cooke-economy-04f59e12
2•hhs•29m ago•0 comments

1.9B year old bedrock will soon house first permanent nuclear waste site

https://apnews.com/article/finland-nuclear-waste-disposal-storage-d1a110758e2bd087a9cee43f56f1a05b
2•voxadam•30m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What would you do with an AI model capable of continuous learning?

4•jballanc•31m ago•1 comments

Layovers Fyi

https://www.layovers.fyi/
4•gsdv•33m ago•1 comments

Any Open Source projects in need of documentation writer?

5•tree666•34m ago•3 comments

Ghost Jobs Tracker

https://ghostjobs.vercel.app/
3•ddmichael•34m ago•1 comments

Prototyping turned into an excuse for not thinking

https://unsung.aresluna.org/prototyping-turned-into-an-excuse-for-not-thinking/
2•latexr•39m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What should I re-skill in?

3•TbobbyZ•40m ago•2 comments

The internet is deciding what to forget

https://www.ft.com/content/e1c3fd8e-b7c7-4582-a63b-f7b1a2f2bc93
3•hhs•43m ago•0 comments

Cyphernetes – Cypher for Kubernetes

https://cyphernet.es/docs/language
2•fatliverfreddy•46m ago•0 comments

Show HN: 65K synthetic personas project 136 English council elections

https://github.com/Kronaxis/kpm1-election-projections
3•JasonDuke•47m ago•0 comments

Emergency jabs after 100 children die of suspected measles in Bangladesh

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cevkz2z7dm8o
1•gmays•50m ago•0 comments

YC interview simulator. Retro game aesthetic

https://trainyc.com
1•ilyaforfun•51m ago•3 comments

Follow Tracker making NHL players rethink social media

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7178360/2026/04/08/nhl-follow-tracker-x-social-media/
1•_doctor_love•54m ago•1 comments

A soft robot has no problem moving with no motor and no gears

https://engineering.princeton.edu/news/2026/04/08/soft-robot-has-no-problem-moving-no-motor-and-n...
3•hhs•55m ago•0 comments