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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

July 6th: International Kissing Day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Kissing_Day
1•Bender•1m ago•0 comments

Britain should consider regulating AI models, FCA official says

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/britain-should-consider-regulating-ai-models-fca-officia...
1•adithyaharish•2m ago•0 comments

The Importance of Questioning When Coding with AI

https://jakub.jankiewicz.org/blog/questioning-ai/
1•jcubic•3m ago•0 comments

Kill the Plastic AI Portrait

https://realistic-shot-deploy-eight.vercel.app/
1•withoutshape•6m ago•1 comments

How We're Keeping Reddit Real and Safe in the AI Era

https://redditinc.com/news/how-were-keeping-reddit-real-and-safe-in-the-ai-era
1•soheilpro•7m ago•0 comments

Our Own Little Golden Era

https://thesecondbutton.com/our-own-little-golden-era/
1•SuperUserDone•11m ago•1 comments

Save Thousands of Dollars: Smpte Standards Are Free

https://vimegs.com/save-thousands-of-dollars-on-information-directly-from-the-source-smpte-makes-...
1•LukasMarek•11m ago•0 comments

How Will AI Impact the Labor Market?

https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/goldman-sachs-exchanges/how-will-ai-impact-the-labor-market
1•vismit2000•12m ago•0 comments

An interactive visualization of a HTTP request through its ~200ms life

https://200ms.thenodebook.com
1•isht_0x37•12m ago•0 comments

Mid-tier factory knives vs. cheap imports

https://www.paragon-knives.com/
1•bgzlsxaz•15m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What internal tools/SASS replacements are you building?

1•kostarelo•17m ago•0 comments

Why is there smoke from the boiler room? – Botanical Garden using Home Assistant

https://vooijs.eu/posts/why-is-there-smoke-from-the-boiler-room/
1•Baardappel•18m ago•0 comments

Coding Agents as Teammates in Issues, Pull Requests, and CI

https://onedev.io/blogs/33
3•timplant•19m ago•1 comments

Owarix, version of 8000 year old game for the Vic20. (3k: v20,c64,c16,zx,PC)

https://orac81.itch.io/owarix
1•orac81•20m ago•0 comments

TikTok Viral Score – deterministic scoring engine, no login required

https://github.com/NaiaLorente/GoViral-Tiktok
1•naialorente•20m ago•0 comments

If Terraform is so great, why isn't anyone using it anymore?

https://medium.com/@sebkow/if-terraform-is-so-great-why-isnt-anyone-using-it-anymore-1b79b2159272
2•sebkow•20m ago•2 comments

Probably the best AI detector tool is ready

https://aidetector.my/en
2•GemsGame•22m ago•0 comments

I built Who Goes? app to make game nights feel fun again

https://apps.apple.com/in/app/who-goes-party-games/id6777402559
2•shubham_iosdev•25m ago•1 comments

Eight – Interactive fiction made with AI

https://huggingface.co/spaces/alvations/hallway8
2•alvations•25m ago•0 comments

The Parts Based Programming Kernel

https://programmingsimplicity.substack.com/p/the-parts-based-programming-kernel
3•surprisetalk•28m ago•0 comments

Reasons to be optimistic about America's future

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/interactive/2026/07/03/25-reasons-be-optimistic-about-ame...
2•baal80spam•28m ago•0 comments

Trump Financial Disclosure Shows 21,000 Trades in 2025

https://www.advisorhub.com/trump-financial-disclosure-shows-21000-trades-in-2025/
9•throw0101d•29m ago•1 comments

pkgsrc is still available on macOS as a package manager

https://pkgsrc.smartos.org/install-on-macos/
2•uneven9434•30m ago•0 comments

FlowerBench: Benchmarking AI Agents on Real Enterprise Work

https://flower.ai/benchmarks/flowerbench/
2•dimitrisflwr•32m ago•1 comments

China will likely have its own Mythos-like model around February 2027

https://www.the-substrate.net/p/china-will-likely-have-its-own-mythos
3•throw0101d•33m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Open-source Claude Code skills that mine Reddit/X for content topics

4•vatricemir•33m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Are there good security benchmarks for LLMs?

2•melvinroest•34m ago•0 comments

The Devadasis, Dance Community of South India: A Legal and Social Outlook

https://brill.com/view/journals/ijgr/29/1/article-p102_102.xml
2•thunderbong•40m ago•0 comments

We built a P2P app with no servers. Internet of Peers [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n76zGrt4aRY
2•closet_slayer•40m ago•0 comments

Road to Elm 1.0

https://elm-lang.org/news/faster-builds
11•wolfadex•40m ago•1 comments