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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Brazil's Flavio Bolsonaro headed to US, sources say

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-wonders-where-earth-is-flavio-bolsonaro-2026-10-27/
2•jumpocelot•44s ago•0 comments

The Counting House

https://yegge.ai/essays/the-counting-house/
1•rrherr•1m ago•0 comments

Can immersive VR experiences change how people respond to the climate crisis?

https://www.stirworld.com/think-opinions-can-immersive-vr-experiences-change-how-people-respond-t...
1•bryanrasmussen•2m ago•0 comments

Tetlock and Gardner's Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction (2016)

https://blog.jcx.au/posts/tetlock-and-gardners-superforecasting-the-art-and-science-of-prediction
1•paulpauper•3m ago•0 comments

Is "Who's on First?" Funny?

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2026/10/is-whos-on-first-funny.html
1•paulpauper•3m ago•0 comments

What Should the Rules for A.I. Companies Be? We Asked the Experts

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/26/magazine/ai-companies-law-regulations.html
1•paulpauper•3m ago•0 comments

Rebuilt Google Meets but with Agents

https://twitter.com/maxfromtabletop/status/2115135529432097217
1•maxsa•3m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Camera API

1•__sy__•4m ago•0 comments

Kompakt, an iPhone photo cleaner that runs on-device

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kompakt-photo-cleaner/id6759879562
1•m20ro•4m ago•0 comments

A private Kubernetes cluster for a personal website

https://www.kalinowski.io/how-this-site-runs/
1•indigodaddy•4m ago•0 comments

UK homes to get low-/no-interest loans to fund solar panels and heat pumps

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/oct/27/homes-across-uk-to-get-low--or-no-interest-lo...
1•DamonHD•5m ago•0 comments

The new primitives of agentic software delivery

https://commandline.microsoft.com/new-agentic-software-delivery-primitives/
1•lisajaloza•5m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Make your AI agent think before it codes

https://github.com/sanmak/specops
2•sanmak•5m ago•0 comments

We can exercise more without even trying

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20261023-how-we-can-exercise-more-without-trying
1•onemoresoop•7m ago•0 comments

Emma sicher grows biomaterials from wild berries and microorganisms

https://www.designboom.com/design/emma-sicher-biomaterials-microorganisms-cellulose-eating-scoby/
1•rdmuser•7m ago•0 comments

Who Is Responsible for Tackling Professional Deskilling?

https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/humaff-2026-0080/html
5•geox•10m ago•0 comments

Anduril, Qualcomm launch BlueChip, a new kind of US-made laptop

https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/1019274/anduril-qualcomm-bluechip-laptops-american-made-military
4•kikkia•10m ago•1 comments

US agency is again probing if Polymarket broke 2022 settlement, sources says

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-agency-is-again-probing-if-polymarket-broke-2022-sett...
3•tartoran•12m ago•0 comments

I turned a looped transformer into a decision model that scores answer options [pdf]

https://wyat.io/wyat2-brief.pdf
1•teilom•12m ago•1 comments

Open-source n8n and MCP workflows for UCP store audits and B2B signals

https://github.com/edtool79-collab/hirepulse-mcp/blob/main/templates/SUPER_TOOLS_PLAYBOOK.md
1•ystudio3d•13m ago•0 comments

The Diffusion of Reality: How the Interface Imperceptibly Became a Habitat

https://medium.com/@smoking2man/the-diffusion-of-reality-how-the-interface-imperceptibly-became-a...
1•Aldus551•15m ago•0 comments

Mossad Has Devices Like the Exploding Pagers in "Every Country You Can Imagine"

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2462875/former-mossad-chief-yossi-cohen-planted-...
26•newspaper1•15m ago•10 comments

The American Divide on Empathy

https://kottke.org/26/10/the-american-divide-on-empathy
2•lehi•16m ago•1 comments

Dismissing Claude's request for feedback is itself considered feedback (2025)

https://keydiscussions.com/2025/09/29/dont-even-dismiss-the-how-is-claude-doing-this-session-prom...
1•kaycebasques•16m ago•0 comments

ZacOS 9 and Mavernix: Two classic Apple desktops find their Wayland to Linux

https://www.theregister.com/os-platforms/2026/10/27/zacos-9-and-mavernix-two-classic-apple-deskto...
1•losgehts•16m ago•0 comments

Microsoft PowerToys Meets NLP

https://grabthat.ai/blog/microsoft-powertoys-natural-language-integration
1•kevanparker•16m ago•0 comments

OSRS Wiki and RuneLite increasingly under strain from low-effort AI development

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/User:Cook_Me_Plox/OSRS_Wiki_and_RuneLite_are_increasingly_unde...
1•Planktonne•17m ago•0 comments

Blanets and Weird Worlds

https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/10/bizarre-blanets-and-other-weir.html
1•pavel_lishin•19m ago•0 comments

Debcraft at v1.0

https://optimizedbyotto.com/post/debcraft-1-0-released/
1•ottoke•19m ago•1 comments

Echo-3 and the SpAItial App

https://spaitial.ai/blog/echo-3-release
1•frozenseven•20m ago•0 comments