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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

We turned off Pub/Sub and nobody noticed

https://incident.io/blog/we-turned-off-pub-sub-and-nobody-noticed
1•JustSkyfall•4m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: How do you keep track of all your codex/Claude sessions?

1•lasky•4m ago•0 comments

If Meta loses this trial, Instagram and Facebook could change forever

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyqpx6xk69o
1•tartoran•5m ago•0 comments

List of words banned by the USA government

https://pen.org/banned-words-list/?unique
1•inigyou•18m ago•0 comments

Niu Lai (The Ox Comes): Bad Chinese Animated Movie Becomes Viral Box Office Hit

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/niu-lai-aka-the-ox-comes-th...
1•yanhangyhy•18m ago•1 comments

Sana.cpp – Nvidia's Sana T2I model in C++, 4.8x faster than PyTorch

https://github.com/cconthekeyboard/sana.cpp
1•cconthekeyboard•25m ago•1 comments

Octopuses could help us conceptualize a different form of intelligence

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.6871036
1•colinprince•28m ago•0 comments

Amodei Re. Regulation

https://twitter.com/DarioAmodei/status/2088758816376807762
1•jacquesm•34m ago•1 comments

Python's http.server – Add support for HTTP Range header in HTTPServer

https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/118949
2•gregsadetsky•35m ago•0 comments

Show HN: An open-source workspace for your agents

https://github.com/gigeey/launchpad-studio
1•SEArongo•37m ago•1 comments

A gas-enshrouded and gas-reddened black hole at cosmic dawn

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10846-4
2•diwank•38m ago•0 comments

DeepSeek V4 Pro at 207 tok/s with the full 1M context, no quantization

https://runinfra.ai/inference-api/deepseek-v4-pro
3•OsamaJaber•39m ago•0 comments

Cross-Sectional Stock Selection: Where Returns Come from and Why Models Fail

https://wangqiao.me/posts/cross-sectional-stock-selection-models/
1•unliftedq•42m ago•0 comments

An app to streamline data analytics – and do it cheaply

https://app.verbagpt.com/
1•symuz•46m ago•0 comments

AGI-64 Brings Sierra Adventures to the Commodore 64

https://meanhamster.com/news/agi-64-brings-sierra-adventures-to-the-commodore-64
9•erickhill•48m ago•0 comments

Why Young Men Are Abandoning the Workforce

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/free-expression/young-men-are-abandoning-the-workforce-a021228a
2•bilsbie•58m ago•2 comments

BlockArena: AI-Generated FPS Game

https://blockarena.puter.com/
1•ent101•1h ago•0 comments

AI Agent Safety Is Still Thinking Like Permissions

https://jeffreyflynt02.medium.com/ai-agent-safety-is-still-thinking-like-permissions-45878337bd98
5•jflynt76•1h ago•0 comments

Why I vibecoded my own terminal multiplexer

https://www.codedsleep.com/posts/wv-multiplexer
1•codedsleep•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Adding friction to my automatic open Claude reaction

2•aqureshi8•1h ago•0 comments

Hacking Legends

https://opensourcelegends.com/hacking-legends
1•buffer_overlord•1h ago•0 comments

Rare things become common at scale (2014)

https://longform.asmartbear.com/scale-rare/
2•mooreds•1h ago•0 comments

Protecting water systems from cyberattacks: 5 steps cities can take now

https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/protecting-water-systems-cyberattacks-5-steps-cities/827560/
3•mooreds•1h ago•0 comments

Forecasting Andean rainfall and crop yield from influence of El Niño on Pleiades

https://www.nature.com/articles/47456
1•mooreds•1h ago•0 comments

Why Chinese Citizens Are More Optimistic About AI Than Americans

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-14/why-ai-optimism-is-so-much-higher-in-china-tha...
2•pella•1h ago•0 comments

PPS Watch – The Most Accurate Watch That Doesn't Tell Time

https://www.instructables.com/PPS-Watch-the-Most-Accurate-Watch-That-Doesnt-Tell/
1•sudo_cowsay•1h ago•0 comments

Code Is the Byproduct

https://yagmin.com/blog/code-is-the-byproduct/
2•lubujackson•1h ago•0 comments

Path Protocol – an open-source browser precision game and course editor

https://github.com/argentquest/protocol
2•EricMSilver•1h ago•0 comments

Inverse Problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_problem
2•soupspaces•1h ago•0 comments

Physicists discover a hidden gluon structure inside protons

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/08/260815064805.htm
7•gradus_ad•1h ago•0 comments