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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Citizen Agents

https://bionic-gpt.com/blog/citizen-agent-development/
1•ianpurton•21s ago•0 comments

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https://www.wsj.com/opinion/did-the-associated-press-hurt-ais-feelings-a2f49bf6
1•Betelbuddy•35s ago•0 comments

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https://newsletter.kentbeck.com/p/mathematicians-heres-a-way-to-think
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https://nem035.com/thoughts/how-claude-code-works/
1•fagnerbrack•5m ago•0 comments

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https://gatling.chat/
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https://cartz.sh/
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https://pluralistic.net/2026/09/29/algorithmic-wage-theft/
1•hn_acker•8m ago•0 comments

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1•Brajeshwar•9m ago•0 comments

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1•Brajeshwar•9m ago•0 comments

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https://pluralistic.net/2026/09/28/cost-of-everything/
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3•chmaynard•9m ago•0 comments

Dead Money

https://www.wheresyoured.at/dead-money/
3•crescit_eundo•10m ago•0 comments

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https://www.sonarsource.com/docs/CognitiveComplexity.pdf
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2•hn_acker•11m ago•1 comments

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4•taubek•12m ago•0 comments

America.gov

https://twitter.com/RapidResponse47/status/2104939402359107616
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Tech Workers Made ChatGPT Drive a Toyota Corolla

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1•YeGoblynQueenne•14m ago•0 comments

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1•plorkyeran•15m ago•1 comments

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1•upboundspiral•17m ago•0 comments

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https://www.sideprojectors.com/project/97176/studlark
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The Facebook Fake-Out

https://www.anildash.com/2026/09/29/facebook-fake-out/
2•Tomte•18m ago•0 comments

Bill Gates's Blunt Warning on A.I

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/29/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-bill-gates.html
3•rafaelc•19m ago•1 comments