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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

HuggingFace Security incident disclosure – July 2026

https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026
1•Daviey•29s ago•0 comments

The Secret Math Society Known Simply as Nicolas Bourbaki

https://www.quantamagazine.org/inside-the-secret-math-society-known-as-nicolas-bourbaki-20201109/
1•pykello•1m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Loris Tunnel – an open-source desktop manager for SSH tunnels

https://github.com/RangerWolf/loris-tunnel-app
1•rangerwolf•4m ago•0 comments

The Computer at the Bottom of a Canal

https://negroniventurestudios.com/2026/07/18/the-computer-at-the-bottom-of-a-canal/
1•Kudos•5m ago•0 comments

Neither GCC nor Clang are compliant with standard C++

https://sebsite.pw/w/20260708-badstdcxx.html
1•jandeboevrie•7m ago•1 comments

Pal Routes: shortest Palworld 1.0 breeding routes from your owned Pals

https://palroutes.com/
1•AsterXing•8m ago•0 comments

Brazil Eyes Film Royalties and Drug Patents in US Tariff Retaliation

https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-us-tariff-film-royalties-drug-patents/
1•vrganj•14m ago•0 comments

Israeli ministers announce plans for illegal settlements in Gaza and West Bank

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/18/israel-plan-new-illegal-settlements-gaza-west-bank-...
3•kubafu•14m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Fosnie – open-source self-hosted AI workspace for regulated teams

https://fosnie.dev/
1•bellapai•19m ago•0 comments

Wp2shell Pre Authentication RCE in WordPress Core

https://wp2shell.com/
1•Techbrunch•23m ago•1 comments

AI Mania Is Eviscerating Global Decision-Making

https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/ai-mania-is-eviscerating-global-decision-making/
3•bertman•24m ago•0 comments

Timeline Studio

https://github.com/MartinDelophy/ai-video-editor
1•martindelophy•26m ago•0 comments

Compaction

https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/compaction
1•tosh•26m ago•0 comments

Cryptids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cryptids
2•tosh•28m ago•0 comments

We run 100% agentic coding at a €2M ARR healthcare SaaS

https://agenticprime.ai/issues/agentic-coding-healthcare-saas/
1•tosh•35m ago•0 comments

Flight Planning with Little Navmap

https://tech.marksblogg.com/little-navmap-flight-planning.html
1•marklit•36m ago•0 comments

Uruky – The Paid European Search Engine

https://robheghan.prose.sh/26_06_30_uruky
1•birdculture•38m ago•0 comments

Curated list of academic papers using Binary Ninja

https://github.com/affinepoly/awesome-binja-papers
2•affinepoly•39m ago•0 comments

JobsNate

https://www.jobsnate.com/
1•neodynix•42m ago•0 comments

Vikram-1, India's first private orbital rocket, aces debut launch

https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/skyroot-aerospace-india-first-private...
2•porridgeraisin•45m ago•0 comments

Behind the scenes: watching media on the browser (2021)

https://asyncimpulse.com/behind-the-scenes-watching-media-on-the-browser/
1•csmantle•48m ago•0 comments

External Commentary on LLM Global Workspace Representations [pdf]

https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/files/4zrzovbb/website/cc4be2488d65e54a6ed06492f8968398ddc18ebe.pdf
1•allenleee•48m ago•0 comments

US oil firms sign deals with Iraq to develop alternative shipping routes

https://apnews.com/article/oil-iraq-pipeline-deal-582b42f21cb62cfe8dc6c8e73d1dcafa
1•geox•50m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Yapp.page, publish a webpage from a Claude or ChatGPT chat

https://yapp.page/
1•hpko•55m ago•0 comments

The Sandpaper Cover of the Return of the Durutti Column (2014)

https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2014/04/return-of-the-durutti-column-feature/
2•ravetcofx•57m ago•0 comments

Find What SaaS Tools Competitors Use via Sub-Processors

https://ashishb.net/tech/sub-processors-leak-saas-stack/
8•ashishb•1h ago•0 comments

How Reddit Detects Ban Evasion – and Why a New Account Isn't Enough

https://medium.com/@thesuperrepemail/how-reddit-detects-ban-evasion-and-why-a-new-account-isnt-en...
3•rajsuper123•1h ago•0 comments

DOSBox on OpenVMS (Alpha CPU)

https://astr0baby.online/AXP/OpenVMS/DOSBOX/
1•jandeboevrie•1h ago•0 comments

Vörwatch: The VPS Monitoring Tool

https://medium.com/@vektormemory/v%C3%B6rwatch-the-vps-monitoring-tool-we-built-because-we-needed...
1•vektormemory•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Free image tools that never upload your files

https://pixoratools.dev/
1•umarratra•1h ago•0 comments