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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Building native plugin systems with WebAssembly components (2025)

https://tartanllama.xyz/posts/wasm-plugins/
1•cxr•2m ago•0 comments

How Big Tech Captured American Schools

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/23/business/schools-big-tech-google-microsoft.html
1•obscurette•2m ago•0 comments

Ex-Congressman George Santos Receives Kalshi's First-Ever Lifetime Ban

https://www.wsj.com/politics/ex-congressman-george-santos-receives-kalshis-first-ever-lifetime-ba...
1•JumpCrisscross•2m ago•0 comments

Who Taught the Models to Do That?

https://www.dbreunig.com/2026/08/30/who-taught-the-models-to-do-that.html
2•Brajeshwar•3m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Review large code changes in your terminal, one chapter at a time

https://github.com/mtford90/revue
1•mtford•3m ago•0 comments

Americans Hate Data Centers. Why?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/31/opinion/data-centers-ai-populism.html
4•jbegley•4m ago•0 comments

Songs created by AI banned from Australia's music charts

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20vl4vm2pno
1•benkan•6m ago•0 comments

Running a Software Factory Efficiently at Uber Scale

https://twitter.com/ubereng/status/2093444169037762840
1•bigwheels•6m ago•1 comments

Natural Ways to Relieve Joint and Muscle Discomfort at Home

https://how-to-relieve-pain-at-home.subscribepage.io
1•hot-info•7m ago•0 comments

OpenAI to cut off AI models for SpaceX-owned Cursor, escalating feud with Musk

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/openai-end-partnership-with-spacexs-cursor-2026-08...
3•benkan•7m ago•0 comments

Enjoy Sushi

https://www.sushi-jiro.jp/en/tips
3•structuredPizza•7m ago•0 comments

WordPress as a Desktop Environment

https://openstation.me/
1•keiferski•8m ago•0 comments

Americans Aren't Sold on Businesses Using AI in Advertising

https://news.gallup.com/poll/713222/americans-aren-sold-businesses-using-advertising.aspx
1•hn_acker•9m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Manner – Developers create AI clones that clients can hire

https://manner.run/
1•sanasar737•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: My AI spent $15 on a test order, so I built a payment guardrail

https://github.com/felixpg13-glitch/spendshield
1•felixpg13•10m ago•0 comments

Collecting Batteries

https://www.ericwrobbel.com/collections/batteries.htm
2•austinallegro•11m ago•0 comments

The Undiscovered Human: psychology as a pre-Mendeleev science

https://undiscoveredhuman.substack.com/p/the-undiscovered-human
1•undiscovrdhuman•11m ago•0 comments

Expat 2.8.4 released, fixes 4 vulnerabilities

https://blog.hartwork.org/posts/expat-2-8-4-released/
1•spyc•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: RepoFlows – Interactive architecture diagrams for GitHub repos

https://www.repoflows.com/
1•emirgumus•11m ago•0 comments

Building a Python Library in 2026

https://stephenlf.dev/blog/python-library-in-2026/
1•tosh•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: MCP Locker: One private endpoint for your MCP servers and skills

https://mcplocker.com/
1•devconcierge•12m ago•0 comments

H5i-dev/h5i: a headless browser purely written in Rust. no Chromium, no V8

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1w3h5lz/github_h5idevh5i_a_headless_browser_purely/
1•syumei•12m ago•0 comments

Andy Weir on writing an accidental best-seller (2019)

https://thecreativelife.net/andy-weir-on-writing-an-accidental-best-seller/
2•Eridanus2•12m ago•1 comments

Artificial Deadlines: Evidence of Fraud in Influential Study on Procrastination

https://datacolada.org/138
1•stefan_•12m ago•0 comments

Launch HN: Almanac (YC S26) – AI that knows your company

https://usealmanac.com/
3•kushagrchitkar•13m ago•0 comments

Linking 539k Library Genesis and Z-Library books to Goodreads metadata

https://github.com/mazieres/MajinBook
1•mazr•14m ago•0 comments

Orders to distillers are down in part due to tariffs

https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/the-worlds-drinks-order-is-in-distillers-were-expecting-more-...
1•brandonb•15m ago•0 comments

An island mysteriously appeared – then disappeared – on B.C.'s largest reservoir

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/floating-island-williston-lake-bc-9.7324586
1•geox•15m ago•0 comments

MapQuest app surges to No. 1 in Navigation after refusing to rename Lake Ontario

https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/31/mapquests-app-surges-to-no-1-in-navigation-after-refusing-to-re...
4•speckx•15m ago•0 comments

Why lawmakers are concerned about where billions in broadband funding is going

https://www.texastribune.org/2026/07/28/texas-broadband-funding-favoritism/
2•hn_acker•15m ago•0 comments