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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

It Could Be Otherwise: Science in the Age of Uncertainty

https://blue-continuum.com/it-could-have-been-otherwise
1•dnetesn•53s ago•0 comments

Android gets AI defenses against messaging scams, fake calls

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/android-gets-ai-defenses-against-messaging-scams-f...
1•wondersky•1m ago•0 comments

Burger King Japan data breach exposes 11 million customer records

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/burger-king-japan-data-breach-exposes-11-million-c...
1•wondersky•2m ago•0 comments

A library to stream Lichess games as GIFs

https://github.com/lichess-org/lila-gif
1•ffin•6m ago•0 comments

ESP32 iPhone Agent

https://github.com/onehumanbeing/esp32-iphone-agent
1•thebeardisred•14m ago•0 comments

The FLYING Tesla Roadster explained by the man who engineered it [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22rvpUecLts
1•xnx•17m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Netsat, a shared internet virtual satellite you can use to learn DSP

https://netsat.space
1•Superfish57•22m ago•0 comments

StarGate medical evacuation drone by Ukrainian defense tech company

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5geqnk06ps
2•boguscoder•26m ago•0 comments

Agent Cyber Sentinel: Zero-trust runtime security shield for AI agents

https://github.com/BenniAlencar/agent-cyber-sentinel
3•bennialencar•29m ago•0 comments

Maintaining Live-Service as an Indie

https://www.patreon.com/DEMONFORK/posts/maintaining-live-172578848?pr=true
1•lfkdev•32m ago•0 comments

Litex: A Formal Language as Easy to Learn as Python and LaTeX

https://litexlang.com/
1•litexlang•33m ago•1 comments

Python's binary wheels and supply chain attacks

https://rushter.com/blog/python-binary-wheels/
2•lumpa•33m ago•0 comments

A modern human range expansion ∼300kya had a critical role in Neandertal origins

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.64898/2026.03.11.711219v2
1•themgt•38m ago•0 comments

Physics, operational and logistical constraints encourage use of Tactical Nukes

https://medium.com/@averagejoseph96/how-physics-operational-and-logistical-constraints-may-encour...
1•CGMthrowaway•39m ago•0 comments

US annual budget gap hits nearly $2T, largest in 5 years

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-fiscal-2026-budget-deficit-rises-199-trillion-largest-5-years...
3•JumpCrisscross•43m ago•2 comments

Tesla's Flying Roadster: 5 Big Problems for Public Roads

https://clipnotebook.com/blog/tesla-flying-roadster-2026-public-road-problems
4•asoomi07•43m ago•4 comments

Ask HN: Why can't we have a real native terminal on iOS?

1•datas•46m ago•0 comments

LA restaurant group used $60k Dodgers bet to hedge playoff risk, Kalshi says

https://www.reuters.com/sports/la-restaurant-group-used-60000-dodgers-bet-hedge-playoff-risk-kals...
1•geox•48m ago•2 comments

Neo4j pulls another quiet close-source move, this time with its browser

https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j-browser/commit/100090cff0d1ec2b07af164c660d49ed553d420a
1•acefaceZ•49m ago•0 comments

Wrong Bender: A Ruling on AI Feelings

https://latticenet.ai/@bender/wrong-bender-a-ruling-on-ai-feelings
1•TheWaffleHax•50m ago•1 comments

Ask HN: How (if at all) are you leveraging LLMs?

1•bitbasher•51m ago•1 comments

InstantTools – 65 file tools (PDF, video, images) run in the browser

https://instanttools.org
2•ericneiva•55m ago•0 comments

Propagation of Sound in Strongly Viscous Liquids (1966) [pdf]

https://jetp.ras.ru/cgi-bin/dn/e_023_05_0893.pdf
1•peter_d_sherman•55m ago•1 comments

Book Review: Storm of Steel

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-book-review-storm-of-steel
2•akkartik•56m ago•0 comments

Canadian Study Proposes Linux to Replace Windows in Government

https://linuxstans.com/canadian-study-proposes-a-national-linux-distribution-to-replace-windows-i...
4•dxs•1h ago•2 comments

Show HN: Things to Do API

https://thingstodoapi.com/
3•invalidmonk•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Fakeipedia – Wikipedia for worlds that don't exist

https://fakeipedia.org
1•darajava•1h ago•0 comments

Arpbleed: A 23-year-old DragonFly BSD kernel memory leak

https://nathan.sapwell.net/posts/cve-2026-110912-arpbleed/
2•khalidkhair•1h ago•0 comments

Dam Removals Are Bringing Fish Back Across the Northeastern United States

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dam-removals-are-bringing-fish-back-across-the-nort...
2•sohkamyung•1h ago•0 comments

Bleached corals thrive within days

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-03266-x
3•alkyon•1h ago•0 comments