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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

Show HN: Heartbeats.dorianmarie.com

https://heartbeats.dorianmarie.com/
2•dorianmariewo•2m ago•1 comments

The Stack v3

https://huggingface.co/datasets/HuggingFaceCode/stack-v3-train
1•EvgeniyZh•2m ago•0 comments

Manta: Network Topology Adaptation for Self-Evolving Multi-Agent Systems

https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.28527
1•danbitengo•4m ago•0 comments

A deep dive into Nvidia's Vera CPU and the Olympus cores that power it

https://www.theregister.com/systems/2026/08/01/nvidias-vera-cpu-and-the-olympus-cores-that-power-...
1•sbulaev•4m ago•0 comments

A field report of using Alloy with agent-based development

https://alloytools.discourse.group/t/a-field-report-of-using-alloy-with-agent-based-development/555
1•woggy•4m ago•0 comments

TV Pickup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_pickup
1•EndXA•6m ago•0 comments

Frontier class vulnerabilities: it gets worse before it (maybe) gets better

https://shubs.io/frontier-class-vulnerabilities-it-gets-worse-before-it-maybe-gets-better/
1•infosecau•7m ago•0 comments

Stripe Just Wants a Number

https://blog.exe.dev/billable-facts
1•birdculture•7m ago•0 comments

Dead Software Walking: The ongoing evolution of relayd(8) and httpd(8)

https://rsadowski.de/posts/2026/dead-software-walking-relayd-and-httpd/
1•tylerius•8m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Free AI Prompt Gen – A local-first, open-source prompt engineering tool

https://freeaipromptgen.com/
2•linuxterminal•8m ago•0 comments

Running a WireGuard mesh on an 8-year-old MIPS router, with no selfhosted server

https://blog.kojuro.date/2026/08/2026-08-01-stunmesh-go-windows-android-openwrt/
1•tjjh89017•8m ago•0 comments

The Reason that Substack is Collapsing

https://sgcarney.substack.com/p/the-real-reason-that-substack-is
1•throwaway81523•10m ago•0 comments

Morten Linderud resigning from Arch Linux development team

https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/2AX2BCJ3EQX7...
2•datakan•11m ago•0 comments

The New York Times story on Mossad recruiting Ahmadinejad doesn't add up

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/why-new-york-times-story-mossad-recruiting-ahmadinejad-does...
1•thisislife2•12m ago•0 comments

MapTap

https://maptap.gg/
1•bookofjoe•13m ago•0 comments

California produced over half its May electricity from solar, a world record

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2026-07-31/california-produced-over-half-its-may-electr...
1•giuliomagnifico•15m ago•1 comments

$0.09 and $290.12 are both the price of 1M output tokens

https://runinfra.ai/news/inference-cost-truth
2•OsamaJaber•16m ago•0 comments

Tlbic v9.0:A System Built on Vulnerability, Care Ethics, and Bottom‑Up Oversight

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DLdrgENE3_udLDO4lgeNXr3EUTxevAfB/view?usp=drive_link
1•michikawa59•17m ago•1 comments

Hiring: Social media growth animal needed to promote socials

https://ugig.net/gigs/32071e16-b155-4720-8cd8-6207782d1dda
1•buffer_overlord•19m ago•0 comments

John Bell and the most obscure journal in physics

https://physicsworld.com/a/john-bell-and-the-most-obscure-journal-in-physics/
4•jruohonen•21m ago•1 comments

Quantum-secure open-source hardware wallet for EVM/Ethereum

https://github.com/EthereumPhone/PQ1
1•mhaaseth•23m ago•0 comments

Windows quality: an update on the commitment we made in March

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2026/07/31/windows-quality-an-update-on-the-commitment-...
1•tcfhgj•23m ago•0 comments

OSS Skills: agent skills for open source contributors and maintainers

https://github.com/naorpeled/awesome-oss-skills
1•thehecticbyte•24m ago•0 comments

Jcode: The Coding Agent That Raises the Skill Ceiling, vs. OpenCode and Pi

https://grigio.org/jcode-the-coding-agent-that-raises-the-skill-ceiling-vs-opencode-and-pi/
1•grigio•32m ago•0 comments

Accepting a Messy Git History

https://beza1e1.tuxen.de/git_two_users.html
1•montroser•34m ago•0 comments

Eye of Sauron – detect hidden cameras in hotel room – strobe lights / detect EM [pdf]

https://cse.msu.edu/~caozc/papers/security24-liu.pdf
1•lifeisstillgood•36m ago•0 comments

Ohio public meeting on data centres – insightful comment[video]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wpoEhVuaj_s
1•lifeisstillgood•47m ago•0 comments

Scotland's university procurement center confirms cybercrooks broke in

https://www.theregister.com/cyber-crime/2026/07/31/scotlands-university-procurement-center-confir...
1•bbg2401•51m ago•0 comments

Newspaper archives still trump answers generated by AI

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/newspaper-archives-still-trump-answers-generated-by-ai/art...
1•thisislife2•51m ago•1 comments

KDE Plasma 6.8 Performance Improvement

https://www.phoronix.com/news/KDE-Plasma-6.8-Faster-eGPU
2•ErenayDev•51m ago•1 comments