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The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Reasonless Intermediate Tokens

https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13775
4•YeGoblynQueenne•1y ago

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tocs3•1y ago
I asked ChatGPT to restate this in more laymen's terms (posted below) and I am not to surprised at the answer.

"Lately, some AI models have shown impressive abilities to solve complex problems, and many people credit this to a method called Chain of Thought (CoT), where the model is trained to think through steps like a human might. In this paper, we take a closer look at that idea to see if it's really what's driving better performance.

We focus on the model’s step-by-step thinking (the words it generates along the way) — often treated like human "thoughts" — and examine whether these actually help the model solve problems more accurately. To test this, we train AI models using clean, correct step-by-step reasoning paths and final answers, all based on a known solving method (A* search). This lets us check both the final answers and the reasoning steps to see how they relate.

Interestingly, we find that even when a model gives the right answer, its reasoning steps can still be wrong or messy. To go further, we even train models using completely random and incorrect reasoning steps — and surprisingly, they still perform about the same, and sometimes even better, than those trained on correct steps.

This suggests that the step-by-step "thoughts" the model shows aren’t as meaningful or reliable as many assume. In short, just because a model looks like it’s reasoning through a problem doesn’t mean it actually is — and we should be careful not to treat its outputs as if it thinks like a human or follows strict logic."

When the Compiler Is a PCB Factory

https://www.kevin.md/my-pcb-has-a-compiler.md/
1•Bluestein•1m ago•0 comments

US diesel prices hit a record high of $5.85 on average

https://apnews.com/article/gas-diesel-prices-us-iran-war-ebd01b9773365ee40550dcfd7d3ebf87
1•geox•8m ago•0 comments

Conserved water shapes the pathogenicity of missense variants in human proteins

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/advance-article/doi/10.1093/molbev/msag217/8776575
2•jkonc•9m ago•2 comments

NPM is experiencing elevated latency

https://github.com/npm/cli/issues/9950
2•mhfs•10m ago•1 comments

Motivating Myself for Exercise by Arbitrarily Withholding Rewards

https://blog.klungo.no/2026/09/04/motivating-myself-for-exercise-by-arbitrarily-withholding-rewards/
1•danielskogly•10m ago•0 comments

Avamorph – Change your avatar without losing anyone

https://ja.sperdeboer.nl/avamorph
1•eRzy•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A browser IDE that builds and deploys your project to a live URL

https://cloudeide.com/
1•laxmansubedi•11m ago•0 comments

Benchmarking Qwen3.8 27B quantizations: 4-bit holds up, 1-bit collapses

https://quesma.com/blog/qwen38-27b-quantizations-benchmarked/
2•stared•12m ago•0 comments

DeepSeek to use 160K+ of Huawei's Ascend 950DT chips at a Mongolia data center

https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-04/deepseek-plans-big-huawei-ai-chip-order-to-power-n...
2•utiiiD•12m ago•0 comments

Before It's Lost – Rebuilding the Sega Saturn's Dev Environment on a Modern PC

https://www.yabasanshiro.com/blog/2026-08-02_before-it-is-lost
2•robin_reala•13m ago•0 comments

Peerseek – A Federated PeerTube Video Search Engine

https://polykit.rocks/peerseek-federated-peertube-search/
1•ColinWright•15m ago•0 comments

What if Zig and Rust could speak?

https://1matin.com/zig-vs-rust/
1•1matin•17m ago•0 comments

The complexity behind eCommerce ERP integration

https://shiftmag.dev/the-phrase-that-ruins-every-ecommerce-project-just-connect-it-to-our-erp-11689/
3•leachh•18m ago•0 comments

OpenAI agents hijacked German website in previously undisclosed AI breakout

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/openai-agents-hijacked-german-website-previously-undisclosed...
3•negura•19m ago•1 comments

US Military personnel are being targeted using location data

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/pentagon-says-us-military-personnel-are-reportedly...
1•JumpCrisscross•21m ago•0 comments

US Military turns off ad trackers on devices amid Middle East targeting reports

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/us-military-turns-off-ad-trackers-devices-amid-mid...
2•negura•22m ago•1 comments

What happens when a blue state votes on trans sports?

https://www.vox.com/politics/501579/transgender-washington-midterms-ballot-measure-girls-sports-a...
1•arunc•24m ago•0 comments

Trump's White House releases deportation video games

https://www.whitehouse.gov/arcade/rio-run/
1•fluffybeing•25m ago•0 comments

Show HN: viaSocket – AI-built workflows, and your apps as an MCP server

https://viasocket.com
1•ankit100•26m ago•0 comments

Google to speed up chip rollout to stay ahead in AI, technology chief says

https://asia.nikkei.com/business/technology/artificial-intelligence/google-to-speed-up-chip-rollo...
1•fork-bomber•31m ago•0 comments

Solving the Jane Street Reverse Engineering Challenge

https://jestoph.com/2026/09/04/jane-street-challenge.html
10•anitil•33m ago•4 comments

Free arcade games are now available on the official White House website

https://gg.deals/freebie/5-free-arcade-games-are-now-available-on-the-official-white-house-website/
1•shaunpud•33m ago•0 comments

The auto lobby spent millions on media manipulation

https://impuls.news/en/featured/gasoline-lobby-from-electric-cars/
2•robtherobber•34m ago•0 comments

Nvidia Buys Hugging Face After OpenAI Hack. How Will Stock React?

https://beincrypto.com/nvidia-hugging-face-acquisition-openai-hack/
1•vanclaude•38m ago•0 comments

Authentication is now sometimes required to clone public GitHub repositories

https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/206581
1•sgsjchs•38m ago•0 comments

Jujutsu 0.45.0

https://github.com/jj-vcs/jj/releases/tag/v0.45.0
1•birdculture•39m ago•0 comments

Neovim new async Lua API

https://neovim.io/doc/user/lua-async/
1•olexsmir•42m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Rendrflow your on device photo editing

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.saif.example.imageupscaler&hl=en_US
1•hacker7777•42m ago•0 comments

A Week of Bug Reporting

https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/a_week_of_bug_reporting.html
1•luu•42m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Should internal services ever receive raw customer PII?

1•Securelytixdev•45m ago•0 comments