It's the duty of a government to protect their countries borders. If individuals will bring a negative benefit to the country then they must be sent away. I don't know why that should be controversial but it's something that the Biden administration and the Uk both struggle with.
What if I told you that almost none of them bring a "negative benefit"?
In this case however, el pais, with their largest audience being in latin america, is probably honestly concerned about how migrants are being treated by the trump admin.
The goals of all these nations working together come directely from the World Economic Forum. Klaus Shwab-ass has said the governments will be stakeholders in the giant tech companies. The tech companies have peoples data that governments want but dont have "user-friendly" welcome into peoples data as the deceptive tech companies do. Thats why you've seen Elon Musk, Larry Ellison, Sam Altman and Trump together in photos recentely planning the technocracy transition. Trump also making plans with Palantir which already targets civilians in Gaza for air strikes.
So, what "they" want is total U.S. surveillance on all citizens not just foreigners. Drones will fly and identify "enemies of the nation" based on the U.S. governments twisted interpretations of whats right or wrong. They want to completely control and enslave you to an AI false god that will determine what you can buy, when you can go outside, where you can or cant go, what you can or cant do. A digital slave system. An outside prison but a "Smart City" in their words.
DrillShopper•4h ago
It's been one for at least the last twenty years.
johnea•3h ago
Do they not remember Snowden?
Although the level of accessing "social media" posts, and internal government docs, for use in persecution of an individual is rising to new levels with The Cheato administration.
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FridayoLeary•2h ago
For example i really believe that traffic enforcement cameras are state oppression. They create more human suffering then they prevent. it's just that people are used to it so they don't protest.
jdsnape•2h ago
Taking the traffic enforcement then - we’re talking about a dangerous piece of machinery that you’re allowed to operate in a public place under certain conditions in order to reduce the risk to others. One of those conditions is speed. It seems blindingly obvious to me that if a society agrees those conditions it should also enforce them?
FridayoLeary•1h ago
As a general rule these things start with sincere intentions but often devolve into cynical exploitation. So if you weigh the benefits of speed cameras against the suffering they cause i think you would find they aren't a good thing.
Getting to your original question i think many people don't trust that their face and fingerprint scans will be used in a way that would be in the publics interest. Its more likely that the authorities would find a way to use that data against you.
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FridayoLeary•1h ago
I'm really not sure where and how you draw the line but i do think we should err on the side of less surveillance. That's the predominant view on hn.
owebmaster•58m ago
Only in the doge side of HN
> I'm honestly not sure what the balance is, but there is a point where one bad accident is worth less then many speeding tickets.
No amount of speeding tickets is worth one kid killed by a drunk driver.
jjav•54m ago
This has been widely documented for red light cameras. Red light cameras are politically much easier because approximately nobody thinks blatantly running red light is ever acceptable (vs. speed limits which have a wide range of debate on what the correct number should be).
So, towns install red light cameras. And initially, it's good! Then when the town gets used to the revenue stream, they want more money. How to get more? They shorten the yellow light more and more and more so they can artificially increase the number of people "running the red light". What started as a good plan to punish people who blatantly run the light, becomes a gotcha trick programmed to maximize revenue at the cost of safety (rear end accidents increase substantially after people become trained to panic brake at yellow lights due to the excessively short time).
MangoToupe•2h ago
What, like actually enforcing laws? I live in the US and I would love a way to rein in traffic. Enforcing traffic laws is literally the best thing the police do.
bitwize•2h ago
Japanese businesses often refuse foreigners outright, or, like famed cheap-goods retailer Don Quijote, have notices posted indicating they can demand you cough up your passport at any time, so have it ready before entering.
At least the customs agents were friendly, in that Japanese way, even as they asked me probing questions like why I flew in from Helsinki on Finnair instead of over the Pacific on an American airline. Though they seemed content with my answer ("because it was cheaper").
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bitwize•2h ago
Of course, this was 2011, which was forever ago in national-security time.
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gregjor•1h ago
Every country has separate immigration lines for citizens and foreigners. Immigration officials have access to national databases but not those of other countries. Like the USA and most other countries Japan has biometric data associated with passports, but only has direct access to match that for Japanese passports. Perhaps you have never experienced the “dystopian” foreigner entry process in the USA or your own country.
Don Quijote has no such signs and does not demand your passport to enter or shop. If you want to get the VAT refunded — a privilege many countries extend to foreign tourists — you can do that by showing you have a tourist visa. Essentially duty-free shopping extended out of the airport. The USA does not have a national VAT so no American store needs a passport to refund taxes.
Japanese businesses do sometimes exclude foreigners, mainly because they don’t have multilingual staff, but also because they want to reserve some places for Japanese and not have tourists overrun every locals restaurant and bar.
Customs and immigration officials everywhere ask probing questions to catch smugglers and criminals. Annoying perhaps but hardly a Japanese thing. Part of the job description. You have no right to enter a foreign country, the immigration officers get to determine that.
bitwize•5m ago
The one I visited had just such a sign posted at the entrance.
> Customs and immigration officials everywhere ask probing questions to catch smugglers and criminals.
I've never been asked such questions by customs in Australia, Canada, France, or the UK. The only ones who gave me a harder time were the American customs officials, as I was re-entering my own fucking country from Canada. They couldn't even be bothered to smile or act polite.
For good or ill, Japanese trust of foreigners is much lower than in the Western world. Maybe they loosened up a bit since 2011 but they're tightening back up now what with idiot streamers gaijin-smashing into construction sites and the like. Racism and open discrimination against people who even look foreign is higher than what a Canadian or Brit would be used to. Given that the Japanese are more interested in preserving their culture against foreign influence than the Brits or Canadians, it makes sense, yes. But it still felt dystopian at the point of entry. Once I'd cleared that hurdle, though, I had a great time in Japan and most of the people I met were pretty laid back.
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gregjor•1h ago
I think you refer to China, or maybe Japan or Singapore. Not every country in Asia has advanced surveillance. The UK, Canada, and America have advanced the same technology but use it in other ways, which is why American police can’t make the subways or roads safe like the Japanese have, but monitor your social media posts and emails for signs of terrorism and political dissent.
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jjav•50m ago
Ubiquitous smartphones have racheted this up to a level before unimaginable.
Imagine saying in 1990 that in 2025 everyone will be carrying a locator device which tracks their whereabouts 24/7 and who they associate with and message with.