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Ask HN: In 15 years, what will a gas station visit look like?

21•thomassmith65•3h ago
This struck me as an interesting sci-fi writing exercise. Gas stations are everywhere; but they'll likely change considerably going forward.

Imagine visiting a gas station in 2040:

• will it sell gas?

• what convenience items will it sell?

• who, if anyone, will staff it?

• what payment methods will it accept?

• what signage and decor will it use?

• will it offer new services?

Comments

fasthands9•3h ago
Interesting Q - though I predict they will largely look the same. They may have more battery charging stations or replacement batteries (especially for stations on an interstate) but otherwise I think it will just be a nicer version of what we have today. Maybe higher quality hot food and more interesting snacks, which I think we are already seeing today with new stations.

Most gas stations today only have one employee at a time so it seems hard to cut that down (and not much incentive tbh).

Electric cars today are still under 10%. Cars last a really long time, so even if there is a huge surge in electric self-driving cars by 2030 there will still be lots of ICE cars on the road in 15 years.

toomuchtodo•3h ago
A lounge. There are too many today, tens of thousands will close. Most charging will take place at home or at work. EVs support payment by VIN with crypto primitives negotiating with the charger over the charger cable before charging starts, so how ever you’ll fund that balance (likely instant payments).

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/15/gas-stations-prices-closing

thomassmith65•2h ago
I agree that the petrol/diesel niche will increasingly shrink, but it could take decades to vanish.

Perhaps some larger chain will step in, and incorporate one dinky petrol station at each location? The safety issues probably rule out a chain restaurant, but maybe Walmart will become the go-to.

toomuchtodo•2h ago
Walmart is installing EV chargers at thousands of their locations. Tesla colocated at Meijer, some Targets, etc. Grocery stores, airports (Chattanooga airport hosts a Tesla charging station), anywhere people go today and there is power can be one.

Petrol won’t go away overnight, but it will reach tipping points where it’s no longer cost effective to deliver it to areas or host a petrol station once an inflection point occurs with regards to demand.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/how-big-a-deal-is-walmarts-p...

https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2023/04/06/leading-the-ch...

https://www.plugshare.com/

https://supercharge.info/map

https://electrek.co/2023/10/20/cratering-motor-fuel-sales-in... (great comment on this: “Every day in the U.S. now there is enough EVs sold to displace an entire gas station-worth of fuel. Per day. And this is rapidly accelerating.”)

tzs•1h ago
> The safety issues probably rule out a chain restaurant, but maybe Walmart will become the go-to

From a month and a half ago: "Walmart plans EV Charging network which will blanket the US within a few years" [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43814380

macinjosh•2h ago
most people certainly do not live in a place that has a garage with dedicated charging port. people who leave their cars outside to charge will be subject to vandalism and pranksters cutting/disconnecting the cables. electric vehicles are luxury vehicles for people with means.
troutwine•1h ago
At least in the Bay Area it’s pretty common for people to park their car on the curb in front of their house and run a charge cable out over the sidewalk. Mostly just works.
nevon•1h ago
This is certainly very location dependent. Where I live, outside parking is the norm, with lots of people either charging EVs or pre-heating their engine without being subjected to any vandalism.
toomuchtodo•1h ago
In 2023, the U.S. had approximately 85.3 million single-family detached homes and 8.2 million single-family attached homes, totaling around 93.5 million single-family homes. This represents the majority of the nation's housing stock.

Rebates exist for a reason to install EV chargers at home. Certainly, it will take time, but the transition is inevitable at this point. The average daily round trip commute is less than 40 miles, which is ~12 hours of charging on a 15A 120V household outlet. Electricity is ubiquitous, and installing interfaces is relatively inexpensive and straightforward.

byoung2•2h ago
It is hard to predict a new advancement in EV technology, but if we get to a point where an EV is cheaper than the equivalent ICE and charges faster than you can gas up (so about twice as fast as the fastest EV today), and has a longer range than the equivalent ICE, then people will buy more of them. Then we will start to see more EV chargers than gas stations.

Advancements in AI might make it possible to have attendant-less stations if you can have automated sales of snacks and other merchandise, and automated payments for chargers and gas, maybe you don't need an attendant on duty 24/7

barbazoo•2h ago
And they’ll need to be as cheap or cheaper than an ICE car :)
bryanlarsen•1h ago
They already are significantly cheaper than ICE in China, the rest of the world won't be far behind.
byoung2•1h ago
Automobile marketshare for battery electric vehicles (BEV) in China reached 27% in 2024, compared to 13% in the EU and 8% in the US.

Wow I didn’t realize adoption was so high in China

https://www.bcg.com/publications/2025/what-chinas-ev-market-...

bryanlarsen•1h ago
If you include PHEV, it's over 50% now: https://www.techinasia.com/news/china-sets-record-with-new-e...
toomuchtodo•28m ago
It’s very exciting imho, uptake of EVs and hybrids in China is contributing to noticeable oil demand destruction, and Chinese oil companies have already called the demand peak.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/11/21/the-us-energy-informati...

https://www.iea.org/commentaries/oil-demand-for-fuels-in-chi...

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/CNPC-Chin...

nevon•1h ago
Automated payment is already very much the norm. Just put in your credit card before refueling.

Vending machines solved the automated snack sales decades ago, except for the restocking.

byoung2•1h ago
I meant that a lot of people still pay cash for gas, but a move toward more electronic payments or at least an automated cash kiosk would let you get rid of those last use cases for a human attendant to take cash
Bender•2h ago
will it sell gas?

Yes and especially diesel which will not go away for a few generations. There are no EV replacements for heavy trucks and they do not appear to be viable yet. 3500 through 7500 series. Battery tech will have to make science fiction level improvements. When those trucks are gone society comes to a stand-still. Comparison to earth moving equipment in mines do not apply.

what convenience items will it sell?

The popular versions of what they sell today and is known to bring in revenue.

who, if anyone, will staff it?

Mostly high-school kids, some people that do not have the confidence to move on and some with criminal backgrounds.

what payment methods will it accept?

Credit, Debit, Cash. Maybe bitcoin.

will it offer new services?

If they have the parking lot space then there may be battery swap stations to quickly swap out EV packs, offer paid upgrades to newer batteries and battery tech every few years.

defrost•1h ago
> There are no EV replacements for heavy trucks and they do not appear to be viable yet.

Janus Electric has been converting prime movers to electric since 2019, listed on the ASX this year, and have demonstrated viability.

* https://primemovermag.com.au/body-electric/

* https://www.januselectric.com.au/news/janus-unveils-first-el...

* https://www.januselectric.com.au/

So far they've barely made a dent in global big truck numbers but they're planning to expand over the next few years .. and there are others in the same business.

> Comparison to earth moving equipment in mines do not apply.

Why not? These fleets have been quasi electric since the 1970s, have serious ongoing research into fully renewable replacement paths, and are responsible for a massive chunk of transport fuel usage given the sheer number of mines in the world and numbers such as iron ore mining in one Australia state alone accounting for > than a billion tonnes moved by trucks alone (including overburden, etc).

These aren't trucks that refuel at gas stations, but they are a considerable sink for fossil fuels.

vehemenz•2h ago
2040 feels far too soon for this thought experiment, at least in the U.S. ICEs will remain the primary vehicle for most families until charging networks are built out. 40-50 years is more realistic.
AnimalMuppet•2h ago
The charging network could be built out in 5 years... if there was money in it.

(No, don't ask me how that would work. I don't know. I just think that private enterprise could do it quite quickly, if they saw a way to turn a profit doing so.)

toomuchtodo•1h ago
Depends where. EVs are already 23% of light vehicle sales in California. The US won’t transition equally.
thomassmith65•1h ago
EV adoption is incredibly uneven. It makes predictions really difficult.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electric-car-sales-share

jeffbee•1h ago
And the median car is 13 years old and getting older. If the market share is only 23% today, then in 2040 the fleet will still be overwhelmingly ICE-powered, unless the government starts pulling levers that accelerate the transition, like quadrupling the fuel taxes.
mc32•2h ago
They’ll probably keep dispensing hydrocarbon fuels. But we may see fuel stations migrate or integrate into other destinations a bit. Mostly Costco these days, but as we transition to electrically powered vehicles, we’ll see more charging + hydrocarbon fuel stations colocated with other businesses with linty of parking that also draw people for a significant amount of time, enough to charge an e-vehicle to significant degree.
don-code•1h ago
By 2040, I suspect not much will have changed. In the US, most engines that required leaded gasoline rolled off the assembly lines in the 1960s, with the legal phase-out beginning in the 1970s, and finally ending in the 1990s.

As I have a classic car that I intend to keep running, I suspect eventually (e.g. not by 2040), buying fuel for it will be similar to buying pre-mixed fuel for small two-stroke engines, like leafblowers and chainsaws: go to Auto Zone and buy a few gallons of fuel. Auto Zone and friends won't be going anywhere - EVs still need wiper blades, brake pads, and other incidentals.

bravesoul2•1h ago
They start to disappear in cities replaced by parking spot fast chargers. Some remain for ICE engines but fewer of them. The ICE engines ones are as now as there is no need to innovate e.g. robots filling your fuel.

Between cities they will be as now a rest stop mainly with fuel. Maybe more charging where you park.

Whether we staff or not depends on if we adopt Japanese culture. In Tokyo they have unattended fast food shops, and somewhat novelty robot servers at some restaurants.

I predict 50% chance of that happening. It may be driven to buy robots and automation becoming cheaper than labour plus mass surveillance making it less appetizing to steal.

codegeek•1h ago
Not much. 15 years ago was 2010. Gas stations in 2025 are very similar to Gas stations from 2010. I doubt they will be too different in 2040. May be a few more EV chargers.
deepsun•1h ago
And more hydrogen stations. Japan keeps investing in them a lot.
Supermancho•1h ago
I would not be surprised if it looks more like Sam's Club, but otherwise the same. ie App with QR code scanner instead of Credit Card scanner.
kcplate•1h ago
IMO gas stations haven’t changed all that much over the last 50 years (forget the 15) beyond:

- now having larger buildings to incorporate more convenience products (mostly foodstuffs) for sale - more pumps

thomassmith65•1h ago
That's pushing it around a decade too far back.

Today, every gas station is self-serve, and often you can pay by card at the pump.

50 years ago, plenty of gas stations still had attendants. One guy would fill the tank (possibly with 'leaded'), another might give your windshield a quick wipe. You could ask for them to check your oil, too.

Not too much has changed since the '80s though.

HappMacDonald•1h ago
In Oregon self-serve only became legal a few years ago so we still have plenty of full service stations and attendants to this day.
ks2048•1h ago
It went from pay inside to pay-at-the-pump. That probably also led to the ability for more pumps at busy stations (w/o hiring more people).
darknavi•12m ago
Gas stations often used to be car service stations as well. We have a few local ones with 3-4 car work garages attached but they are always closed now and used for storage.
pctTCRZ52y•28m ago
Gemini Diffusion

Okay, let's break down the idea that gas stations haven't changed much in the last 70 years and won't change much in the next 15.

Arguments for Things Haven't Changed Much (or Won't Change Much):

Core Function: The fundamental purpose of a gas station is to provide fuel (gasoline/diesel) and basic convenience items to drivers. This core function has remained constant for 70 years.

Infrastructure Dependence: Gas stations are intrinsically tied to the existing infrastructure for internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. Changing this infrastructure is incredibly expensive.

Existing Demand: While EVs are growing, the demand for conventional gasoline and diesel is still high globally, leading to a continued need and a relatively stable business model.

Business Model: The basic business model (selling fuel and convenience goods at a markup) is well-established and often involves franchise agreements, making rapid radical changes difficult.

Regulatory Environment: Gas stations are subject to numerous environmental, safety, and zoning regulations, which can be complex and slow to change.

Arguments for Things Have Changed Significantly (and Will Change Significantly):

Technological Advancements:

Pumps: From manual pumps requiring cash payment to electronic pumps with credit card readers, mobile payment integration, and digital displays.

Payment: From cash and checks primarily to credit cards, mobile apps, and potentially integrated in-car systems.

Store: From basic fluorescent lighting and shelves to modern stores with Wi-Fi, ATMs, coffee bars, prepared food options, and digital signage.

Automation: Increased use of automated systems for fuel delivery, station maintenance (like cleaning), and inventory management.

Rise of Electric Vehicles (EVs): This is the most significant driver of potential change. Gas stations are already starting to add EV charging points. Over the next 15 years, as EV adoption grows, gas stations will need to adapt significantly, potentially becoming more "mobility hubs" rather than just fuel stations.

Focus on Convenience & Retail: As fuel margins potentially tighten, gas stations are increasingly focusing on the convenience store aspect, offering more diverse food options, coffee shops, car washes, and other higher-margin services.

Data & Personalization: Gas stations are increasingly using data from loyalty programs, mobile apps, and payment systems to understand customer behavior, personalize offers, and optimize inventory.

Sustainability: Growing pressure for environmental sustainability could lead to stations incorporating solar panels, LED lighting, waste reduction programs, and potentially offering biofuels or hydrogen fuel.

Comparing the Last 70 Years vs. the Next 15 Years:

Last 70 Years: Changes were primarily incremental, focused on efficiency, automation, and adding convenience within the existing ICE vehicle framework. The core product (gasoline) remained dominant.

Next 15 Years: The key is the transition period. The biggest change will be the integration of EV charging and diversification of services (beyond just fuel and snacks), potentially leading to the creation of "mobility hubs." While gas stations won't stop selling gas overnight, the mix of services and the type of customers served will likely shift significantly. The reliance on gasoline as the primary product will likely decrease in many locations.

Conclusion:

While the basic concept of a gas station (selling fuel and convenience items to drivers) hasn't changed much in 70 years, the technology, payment methods, services offered, and the primary fuel being sold have evolved considerably.

Over the next 15 years, the changes are likely to accelerate, driven primarily by the rise of electric vehicles and digital technology. Gas stations won't disappear entirely (especially for ICE vehicles for some time), but they will likely transform into multi-service "mobility hubs," offering traditional fuel alongside EV charging, potentially hydrogen, enhanced convenience retail, and other vehicle-related services, all managed through automation and digital systems. The shift from just a gas station to a broader mobility service provider will be the defining change of the next decade and a half.

andy99•1h ago
More advertising, more intrusive tracking and personal information collection (mandatory membership in something, swipe your license or scan some biometric, no cash options), more expensive gas. More nagging from your car about things that aren't even on your radar now.
xboxnolifes•1h ago
More gas stations will sell bubble tea.
meagher•1h ago
Not sure where you are, but hopefully we try harder to move away from cars in the US and adopt more rail (light, high-speed long distance, etc.) so in that world, they get replaced with housing or literally anything else.
discordance•1h ago
Railways take 10-15 years to plan and build, so unless they are in play right now I highly doubt you will see anymore in the future
wavemode•1h ago
Rail isn't gonna do anything to help suburbs and rural areas. Nor even cities, if they are spread out like LA.
SoftTalker•1h ago
Gas stations are almost all hazmat sites. The underground tanks leak and years of spills accumulate. They will need to excavate and remediate before housing could be built on the sites.
aaron695•1h ago
HN is dumb as dog shit, at least Reddit has a million monkeys. What do you hope to achieve?

Step one: What is todays delta to 2010? It is a lot, so this is where smart people would start.

So we'll skip that.

Many cars bought today will be around. Many gas stations bought today will be around.

People will be driving further. Do we have to say for the stupid people it won't be electric.

People will be more isolated and not want human contact, digital payments from the pump standard. Food and beverages are as massive part of the profit. So what does that mean?

Automated fueling so your hands don't get dirty will exist. Cars will be able to communicate so they will queue you more efficiently.

There will be electric charging places. They are not "gas stations", you'll get a split. It's interesting to calculate what they would be. Land value vs time to recharge. They can be multistory. This is a whole other thing.

thomassmith65•29m ago
I 'vouched' for that since, despite the freak-out at its start, it makes some interesting points.
kylecazar•1h ago
More EV docks outside, more products from YouTubers and influencers inside. Maybe no cigarettes.
thomassmith65•1h ago
They'll probably devote the shelf-space to vapes and snus.
pkulak•1h ago
Most countries will have fast chargers with one gas pump for the remaining ICE cars. That’s already happening in Norway, for example.

The US? After a decade plus of authoritarian rule and the near outlaw of EVs, we’ll have exactly the same gas stations and cars, all produced right here because the rest of the world doesn’t want them.

tomcam•1h ago
Can you explain to me about the near outlaw of EVs?
drivingmenuts•47m ago
In short, the Republican Party is in bed with oil producers and many elected politicians are heavily invested in oil or oil-adjacent companies. The same party is anti-Science in a way that is nearly impossible to comprehend and, as such, scoffs at global warming and you can work the rest out from there. The Republicans have the majority in the House, the Senate and the Oval Office. The Supreme Court is conservative. Right now, we're probably the modern equivalent of Germany in 193x.

I think that about covers it. All of the above means an EV-hostile environment here.

Oh, and our biggest EV maker is a Neo-Nazi supporter.

pkulak•41m ago
The new budget that passed the house has registration fees on EVs that will only match gas cars if you drive well over 25,000 miles a year. Maybe "outlaw" was hyperbolic, but you tax what you want less of. I would imagine that these taxes will only increase. Especially compared to the _incentives_ offered in every other country.

We don't "outlaw" cigarettes, for example, but I would call the current taxes on them a "near" outlaw.

mousethatroared•36m ago
You tax to finance government services. EV use roads but don't pay fuel taxes.

We can debate how much EVs should be taxed, but they're using the bloody roads, aren't they?

bdangubic•32m ago
in VA we pay EV Tax (along with 87 other car taxes to keep driving on shitty roads…) - whatever your problem is when it comes to roads, more taxes ain’t gonna solve them
pkulak•16m ago
My point is that there's no reason to tax them more than gas cars. Gas cars create FAR more negative externalities. I'm not saying they shouldn't be taxed at all; sorry if you got that impression.
drivingmenuts•34m ago
I should also mention that a large percentage of the population is in love with ICE-mobiles. They transport the ever-shrinking middle class and lower classes that can't afford to completely replace their vehicles with EVs and, likely, never will be. Even the world's ugliest electric truck is beyond the reach of a large portion of the middle class. Removing gas stations and adding charging stations is not going to do anything except cause more panic.

NGL, I drive a gas-powered Jetta (I wish it was diesel, but oh well) and if I can't get gas, I can't drive. While I'm lucky enough to live where there's some sort of public transit, that's not a thing in a lot of cities. Without the political will or the budget to start adding public transportation RIGHT THE HELL NOW, if ICE goes away, our economy is screwed.

more_corn•52m ago
It’ll be a throwback culture desperately trying to cling to the tired myth of 1950s white suburban American supremacy while China leads the way into the future with bullet trains, fast charging electric cars and solar everywhere.
greyface-•1h ago
https://www.epa.gov/ust/petroleum-brownfields
laweijfmvo•1h ago
toilets. there will always be toilets.
sansseriff•1h ago
I find it funny that the AI 2027 thing got a non-vanishing fraction of Hackernews folk to wonder if humans would be fully eradicated from Earth in 5 years (I was influenced too!)

Anyway, just funny to now be talking about gas stations in 15 years.

d--b•1h ago
First I’d answer the question: should there be any gas stations at all? With self driving vehicles you could imagine a future where self driving gas dispensing trucks roam the highways to refill cars as they go.

Or instead of trucks you could imagine that the left lane on highways could be replaced by some kind of train on rails that your car could dock to. In that train you’d have the same crap you have in current gas stations: mostly toilets and food stuff.

Cars docking to stuff is something that really clicks with me, but you could really go one step further away. You could split cars between the part that runs and the part that carries passengers. The part that carries people could be some kind of capsule akin to a boat container that could be loaded onto something else. When on the highway, this cabin could be put on some giant train that would carry hundreds of these capsules and when you need to get off the highway, your capsule would be loaded on some independent single-capsule vehicle, that would drive you where you need to go.

It’s probably all terrible ideas because that would make everything a lot less resilient to problems in terms of operation, but you said sci fi :-)

Oh and yeah 15 years is way too short to see that kind of changes.

paxys•1h ago
In the USA at least they'll look exactly the same as today. Probably more advertising, but that's about it.
ks2048•1h ago
You have to look into a camera and pledge allegiance to Baron Trump before the gas starts flowing. Insincere facial cues will be added to your permanent record.
mhandley•1h ago
The ones in towns will mostly disappear. There will be enough chargers at supermarkets, malls, restaurants, anywhere people actually want to go, and most people will charge at home or work. The remaining business won't be enough to keep in-town gas stations in business. Range anxiety will become more of an issue for gas cars.

On highways, it will be a different situation. There will be plenty of gas and diesel still available, as the remaining business from towns becomes more concentrated. You won't find a gas station without a restaurant attached though. Fast chargers will be common, but ultra-fast ones won't be as common as we'd like, as they will want to keep you just long enough to buy a meal, etc.

billybuckwheat•1h ago
I'm hoping it'll be like the GridServe electric forecourts in the UK: a place to charge your car, have a snack, do a bit of shopping or relax, or rent an office pod for a few hours. Wishful thinking, maybe, but what good is trying to peer into the future without a bit of that kind of thinking?

https://www.gridserve.com/electric-vehicle-charging/electric...

johnea•53m ago
I already don't go to gas stations.

I have a really hard time understanding the pushback to elctrification.

Very fewe people (like almost none) drive more than 300 miles in a day 8-/

Most people in the plains states where the resistance is highest, live in single family homes where they could easily charge overnight.

anenefan•48m ago
If the future doesn't get totally stupid, there will probably be a small decline in gas stations much like in areas where industry has dropped off.

There will still be fossil based fuel for sale.

There may depending on how soon the world gets over the big misconception that fuels made from plant oils have to be bio fuels - additional bowsers for regular fuel that was created though cracking (in the same petro-refineries) organic oil as the input stock to produce an almost identical fuel to that which is made from fossil based sources - it might cost a little bit more though.

Possibly an area for refuelling liquid based fuel cell powered vehicles.

csomar•29m ago
EV share of car sales is around 10%. 15 year is around a car lifetime. So in the future, the gas stations will look roughly the same as today but we'll have, maybe, 10 or 15% less of them.