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Is Gravity Just Entropy Rising? Long-Shot Idea Gets Another Look

https://www.quantamagazine.org/is-gravity-just-entropy-rising-long-shot-idea-gets-another-look-20250613/
47•pseudolus•8h ago

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john_moscow•1h ago
Space exists around things with mass. Also, above-absolute-zero temperatures cause particles to jump around randomly.

Now if there is "more space" around particle A, particle B will have a slightly higher statistical chance of randomly jumping closer to it, than farther.

Rinse-repeat. Gravity as we know it.

enriquto•1h ago
Sounds fun!

Would this imply that cold objects have weaker gravity?

psittacus•1h ago
Isn't this something we already know from the mass–energy equivalence? In the same way that a nuclear reaction that produces heat must cost the object mass (and therefore gravitational pull)
bravesoul2•44m ago
> particle B will have a slightly higher statistical chance of randomly jumping closer to it,

Why?

Also how do you explain acceleration due to gravity with that model. How do you explain solid objects?

Woansdei•40m ago
sounds more like the reverse to me, movement away from denser areas (less space), so like water leaking out of a container.
JPLeRouzic•24m ago
It sounds a bit like Le Sage's theory of gravity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Louis_Le_Sage

meindnoch•11m ago
>Also, above-absolute-zero temperatures cause particles to jump around randomly.

Does it? A single free particle won't "jump around randomly". Thermal motion is plain Newtonian motion with an extremely high rate of collisions. There's nothing random about it (let's put quantum things aside for now).

dist-epoch•1h ago
We all know that life on Earth gets it's energy from the Sun.

But we also know that's an approximation we tell kids, really life gets low entropy photons from the Sun, does it's thing, and then emits high entropy infrared waste heat. Energy is conserved, while entropy increases.

But where did the Sun got it's low entropy photons to start with? From gravity, empty uniform space has low entropy, which got "scooped up" as the Sun formed.

EDIT: not sure why this is downvoted, is the explanation Nobel Physics laureate Roger Penrose gives: https://g.co/gemini/share/bd9a55da02b6

uncircle•46m ago
Your question fascinated me. Googling "where did the Sun got its low entropy" I also came across these explanations:

"Solar energy at Earth is low-entropy because all of it comes from a region of the sky with a diameter of half a degree of arc."

also, from another reply:

"Sunlight is low entropy because the sun is very hot. Entropy is essentially a measure of how spread out energy is. If you consider two systems with the same amount of thermal energy, then the one where that energy is more concentrated (low entropy) will be hotter."

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/796434/why-does-...

Probably it's a bit of both. I'm not sure I understand your hypothesis about the Sun scooping up empty, low-entropy space. Wasn't it formed from dusts and gases created by previous stellar explosions, i.e. the polar opposite of low entropy?

dist-epoch•24m ago
I read the gravity explanation for the sun low entropy in the "Road to Reality" book from Roger Penrose. Asked Gemini to summarize the argument (scroll to end)

https://g.co/gemini/share/bd9a55da02b6

MathMonkeyMan•51m ago
Entropic gravity is a compelling framework. I think that most Physicists admit that it would be nice to believe that the yet unknown theory of everything is microscopic and quantum mechanical, and that the global and exquisitly weak force of gravity emerges from that theory as a sort of accounting error.

But there are so many potential assumptions baked into these theories that it's hard to believe when they claim, "look, Einstein's field equations."

omeysalvi•46m ago
"There’s some kind of gas or some thermal system out there that we can’t see directly" - The Ether is back on the menu boys
whycome•27m ago
Caloric. Dark matter. Cosmological constant.

We like placeholders for the unknown.

jstanley•14m ago
Don't forget phlogiston.
hoseja•19m ago
Like some sort of buoyancy?
meindnoch•18m ago
I don't get it.

To me, entropy is not a physical thing, but a measure of our imperfect knowledge about a system. We can only measure the bulk properties of matter, so we've made up a number to quantify how imperfect the bulk properties describe the true microscopic state of the system. But if we had the ability to zoom into the microscopic level, entropy would make no sense.

So I don't see how gravity or any other fundamental physical interaction could follow from entropy. It's a made-up thing by humans.

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