"If hedge funds could buy universities and then split them up so that the HF keeps the sports programs and they sell off the academic departments, they would most definitely do that"
Academics, research, govt grants etc. are all means to that end.
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2025/05/harvard-salaries-top...
For one, they put money into hedge funds as investors. And broadly, they're long on illiquid investments but have short term obligations for salaries, pensions etc. That's a hedge fund with a slightly different time horizon and intent.
Some of those short term obligations are covered thru grants, fed money. But when that dries up (eg, Harvard and Trump), you're squeezed.
If the endowment is paying for something that otherwise wouldn't be paid for generally, that's a different story.
https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2020/11/20/do-col...
[1] - https://www.al.com/news/2024/01/what-economic-impact-has-nic...
What does exist is an outcome about who gets paid.
That's how an elite university should operate. Sport is fine. It's healthy. But warping the educational mission to feed the maw of an exploitative sports economy is something no university should be involved in.
What next? MMA as a college sport? It's a free country: beat each other's brains out. But to pretend that US college sports is anything but a grotesque distortion is disingenuous.
Debatable. Any college sports program could be dialed back to point where it isn't being subsidized by the primary mission of the university. American college sports is a global outlier. On that basis alone, I would bet that arguments for the value of college sports don't hold water.
[1] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/04/29/...
Disclosure: Notre Dame won the championship when I was in grad school there.
Go Irish.
Although now that you mention the public/private distinction, the difference in that has been drastically reduced over the years as state appropriations have shrunk as a percentage of overall funding. You mentioned the Big Ten and "championship level in football", so let's look at Ohio State as an example since they won the last championship (and for what it is worth, they beat Notre Dame in the title game). They get only 10% of their revenue via state appropriations[1]. For sake of comparison, the OSU athletic department brought in a little over half that in revenue[2]. Meanwhile, 21% of the school's revenue comes from "tuition and fees", so offering an appealing product in the competitive market of higher education is incredibly important to their long term mission.
[1] - https://cga.ct.gov/2025/rpt/pdf/2025-R-0074.pdf
[2] - https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2024/01/...
Don't get me wrong, I love Harvard, but at the same time, our hybrid of quasi public / private higher education reminds me a lot of our health care system, and I wonder if in a century, we'll look back on both as weird anachronisms.
Both of my kids attended public universities.
The question in my mind is if society would be better off recognizing the athletes as "workers" instead of as "students."
To offer a bit of contrast, I attended a Division-3 college where the starting quarterback was a physics major, and the captain of the basketball team majored in chemistry. When a Divsion-1 football player majors in a substantive discipline, it makes the national news.
To be clear I'm not in favor of eliminating college drama departments. But it's rather silly and arbitrary to claim that drama is somehow more important than sports.
As for sports being part of the college experience, I don't disagree with you that they are right now, but I don't see why that would have to be the case, since it certainly didn't use to be the case historically and still isn't the case in many parts of the world. From my perspective, they're so far removed from the actual purpose of universities that they've essentially marginalized the actual point of them for many schools, and the idea that they're integral to the experience is a sign of how much they've failed at their actual goal.
I think it tends to be in the Anglosphere at least. I won't really argue for the big college football etc. programs which has been an ongoing debate in the US for decades for Top 10 schools and related. James Michener wrote a book in the 70s or so. But athletic activities in various more or less organized forms are pretty established at many US schools and eliminating them would bring a pretty wide revolt (and not just talking about football).
As an aside, I don't think telling people that they haven't thought of things sufficiently is a particularly effective way of convincing them. There are a lot of potential other reasons someone might not agree with your point of view, and it's a bit hypocritical to tell someone else they're "not thinking things through" when you haven't actually figured out the reasoning behind their opinions.
My son is a big kid and is playing high school football. It was not on our radar, so we have begun to navigate these kinds of questions. Like - do you want to play at the next level? What do you even need to do if you would like to? But also the realization of how much money is made off of these kids and how cruel and unforgiving it can be.
I didn't spend much time researching but here is one article backing up my assertion: https://www.orthocarolina.com/blog/heading-the-ball-in-socce...
Edit: I am happy to see good research supported that headers can cause damage. However, please note that I am suggesting headers in Association Football are much less damaging compared with American Football, as a opposed to a complete avoidance of damage.
https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/heading-soccer-ball-do...
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopat...
"60 Minutes" recently ran a segment where soldiers experiencing a lot of gunshot sounds get brain damage, too. The result is soldier training is now done with rounds that are much quieter.
P.S. as a kid, I was a miserable failure at baseball. The reason was I did not want to get smacked in the head with a hardball. I avoided the ball. That didn't please the coach at all.
But if you are trying to maneuver your head to a position where you can head the ball, you sometimes find the danger is actually other people's heads. If you've ever knocked heads with someone, you might suspect it is not healthy.
That depends a lot on the relative speed, and some kids can kick the ball pretty damn hard. I had an incident where I headed the ball, and had no other memory formed for the rest of that day. I don't recall the rest of the match, the final score, or how I got home.
The US adopted restrictions 10 years ago. No heading at all for age 10 and under (indirect free kick to the opponent for violations). Under 13 years old coaches are required to keep track of heading and limit any individual player to fewer than 25 per week total between training and matches.
The English FA also has adopted rules limiting heading for youth. I image most of Europe has as well.
Futsal, a small-sided variant of soccer, has way less heading because of the type of ball and how the game is played. It also teaches excellent technical skills, so it's great for kids who want to play regular soccer later on. [2] If as a society we continue the trend towards less and less acceptability of brain injury risk in sports, then futsal may well become the more-popular form of soccer.
We are clear with both of them that sports are not a career and they need skills and experience beyond competition to set them up for a comfortable life. The House deal makes it even harder for all athletes outside of basketball and football (excepting a very select few additional sports at specific schools, like LSU baseball or BYU track & field or UVA swimming, etc).
We went through decades of travesty to get to the current NIL system because young kids were getting screwed. You don’t need it to be a career, but getting paid well for a few years after sacrificing your childhood is fair - fuck everyone else!
I grew up in a football obsessed town in a football obsesses county which frequently won the championships, etc.
Of all the kids in all the decades before/after me that played, 1 guy made it to the NFL and made ~$10M over 10 years. Amazing money, yes. But this was the kid who was practicing non-stop from a young age. He had nothing else. You'd see him & his dad running their own 1-1 football practice at the field in the off season.
Similarly there was another kid I was friend with who was smart, played football enough to get a scholarship, went to an Ivy and became a doctor. Probably better lifetime earnings than the NFL kid, and theres way more spots for doctors!
And in the 25 years since, all the 100s of kid who went through the program, no one has gone pro. For that 1 kid who went pro, I'm sure there were 100s who got in inadequate educational preparation for their adult life and football was a net negative in the end for them.
For the big sports like football, the college part seems barely relevant to the sport, it’s mostly just a logo and color scheme. The players don’t even go to most classes, it’s online, and there are full-time tutors assisting with every assignment. When they do have to physically attend class, someone drives them there on a golf cart, in order to minimize time spent on academic work. It’s not at all a normal college experience.
It would also mean the death of most college sports in general and sports like rowing or field hockey might just cease to exist (at the level they're currently played) since they won't have sports like football and basketball paying for them.
I'm not sure it's important that all of the athletes have a "normal" college experience. Just that they leave school prepared to be productive members of society.
Mostly if a university gets some extra no-strings-attached funding it will set up a new research lab or endow a new chair or build new buildings or perhaps just stick it in the bank or give all the senior administrators a raise.
They could get this windfall money by cutting funding to rowing, but they don't. Is it somehow advantageous to invest sports money back into sports?
I know there's a mandate through Title IX to fund women's sports, and sometimes they have to be pretty creative to find "sports" they can spend enough money on that engage the women students, but that doesn't explain what I'm asking about.
You've been capitalism-pilled. Sometimes it's worth funding things that "aren't worth funding". Not everything needs to return an easily measurable 10% YoY. Investing in the richness of experience for your population or student body or community is a good thing, even if it doesn't always pay itself back in an obvious way. Well-rounded people are happier, more resilient, and yes, more productive.
Don't blow the whole budget on underwater basket-weaving, but investing a bit in enrichment and supporting niches is an important part of life.
I do think it’s inevitable that what are functionally professional sports teams will split from their university namesakes. There’s nothing logically linking the two except that’s how it’s been. A factor that might accelerate the split is that it would expand the talent pool beyond players eligible for college admission.
The problem in the US is that the sports are already glued to the academic institutions, and it would seem impossible for all of them to separate at once.
The evolution of sports in Europe has been very different. The professional teams in Europe are also talent development centres. Man U, Bayern, Barcelona, they all have junior teams that are run by the same organization. They keep in touch with local grassroots teams, and nothing is attached to an academic institution. If you're a serious football player in Europe, you don't go to Cambridge. It's already too late by the time you are thinking of applying to university, which regardless doesn't care at all about athletic performance.
I mean I can completely understand the argument that it makes no sense but it is hard for an outsider to understand what something like Ohio State vs Michigan or Alabama vs Auburn in football means for those communities.
To say it is inevitable they split is just not understanding what these teams mean to the people and communities involved.
There is just something fun and additionally communal about the college sports team that isn't replicated by a professional team.
The biggest feature though is that it makes the teams temporary structures that are always changing because the kids graduate. That is something that would be really hard to replicate in a professional sports league. 3-4 years and then you are kicked out of the league. That doesn't work.
When I was raising VC I related more to struggling artist than employed technologists. Being constantly rejected, needing to be seen as more gifted than the competition and the goddamn urgency to catch on fire yesterday were the same and we got along great even if we understood and cared nothing about each other's work.
People who are considering one of these paths have an opportunity to learn from folks who might not do what they do exactly, but have been in the same sort of system. To realise the relationships they're buying into, the price they'll need to pay for a shot at stardom and to think if it's really an experience they can afford.
That said, I think this article is wins on providing me a window into the college athlete's world. It's a space that I feel like rarely shows up in popular media, is ripe for abuse and the stakes are definitely very high. Very interesting read for that.
If your startup fails, you probably have technical skills to either try again (and again and again) or take a good paying SWE job somewhere else.
If you fail in the sports pipeline, you kind of have one shot (you can't play college ball at 25), you may end up with some non-transferable skills (throwing a ball) and may end without a good education to get a good job.
That is - the downside of your first startup failing is not working at McDonalds, but failing as a ball player can be.
[0] https://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/episodes/diving-in-w...
jgalt212•7mo ago
I think that list is two items too long.
dustincoates•7mo ago
UVA baseball lost >$3 million in 2023 off of $1.7 million revenue. UVA football (a middling program) meanwhile is making a profit of over $20 million.
Baseball is nowhere close to football. I'd be surprised if college baseball was making more revenue than minor league baseball.
sounds•7mo ago
1. Duke University $45.1M
2. Syracuse University $34.2M
3. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill $32.0M
[1] https://www.2adays.com/blog/top-10-division-i-basketball-pro...
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quickthrowman•7mo ago
That being said, hockey is extremely popular at some schools; Gopher hockey is more popular (with both students and alumni) than Gopher basketball at the University of Minnesota.
ghaff•7mo ago
quickthrowman•7mo ago
6 of the 64 schools with Div I NCAA hockey teams are located in my state, and 5 of them are small state or private schools. Massachusetts has 10, New York has 11, Michigan has 7.
Over half of the Div I hockey teams are in the four states mentioned above.
csa•7mo ago
This was my thought as well, at least for college sports.
That said, based on the article, I imagine that the author is referring to the big revenue professional sports (“the IPO” outcome). Assuming that’s the case, these four are definitely the largest in the US by a lot.
PaulHoule•7mo ago
Most of our sports teams play teams that are a bus ride away, but the baseball season starts early when it is too cold to play or spectate in upstate NY so they spend a lot on airplane tickets to play teams down south.
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RandallBrown•7mo ago
Hockey is very popular at some universities and probably makes at least some profit for the school. (I'm thinking University of Michigan as an example.)
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