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What Google Translate Can Tell Us About Vibecoding

https://ingrids.space/posts/what-google-translate-can-tell-us-about-vibecoding/
65•todsacerdoti•4h ago

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dr_dshiv•2h ago
In my limited experience, LLMs can have issues with translation tone — but these issues are pretty easily fixed with good prompting.

I want to believe there will be even more translators in the future. I really want to believe it.

alganet•36m ago
> easily fixed with good prompting

Can you give us an example of a typical translation question and the "good prompting" required to make the LLM consider tone?

simonw•29m ago
There was a great thread about that here four months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42894215#42897856
darvinyraghpath•2h ago
Fascinating thought piece. While I agree with the thrust of the piece: 'that llms can't really replace engineers', unfortunately the way the industry works is that the excuse of AI, however grounded in reality has been repurposed as a cudgel against actual software industry workers. Sure eventually everyone might figure out that AI can't really write code by itself - and software quality will degrade.. But unfortunately we've long been on the path of enshitification and I fear the trend will only continue. If google's war against its own engineers has resulted in shittier software - and things start break twice a year instead of once - would anyone really blink twice?
tartoran•1h ago
Maybe AI can't replace engineers but it surely can apply downward pressure on engineers' salaries.
krackers•1h ago
This seems like a terrible comparison since Google Translate is completely beat by DeepL, let alone LLMs. (Google Translate almost surely doesn't use an LLM, or at least not a _large_ one given its speed)
Ninjinka•1h ago
For Google's Cloud Translation API you can choose between the standard Neural Machine Translation (NMT) model or the "Translation LLM (Google's newest highest quality LLM-style translation model)".

https://cloud.google.com/translate/docs/advanced/translating...

DeepL also has a translation LLM, which they claim is 1.4-1.7x better than their classic model: https://www.deepl.com/en/blog/next-gen-language-model

tkgally•1h ago
> ... a translators’ and interpreters’ work is mostly about ensuring context, navigating ambiguity, and handling cultural sensitivity. This is what Google Translate cannot currently do.

Google Translate can't, but LLMs given enough context can. I've been testing and experimenting with LLMs extensively for translation between Japanese and English for more than two years, and, when properly prompted, they are really good. I say this as someone who worked for twenty years as a freelance translator of Japanese and who still does translation part-time.

Just yesterday, as it happens, I spent the day with Claude Code vibe-coding a multi-LLM system for translating between Japanese and English. You give it a text to be translated, and it asks you questions that it generates on the fly about the purpose of the translation and how you want it translated--literal or free, adapted to the target-language culture or not, with or without footnotes, etc. It then writes a prompt based on your answers, sends the text to models from OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google, creates a combined draft from the three translations, and then sends that draft back to the three models for several rounds of revision, checking, and polishing. I had time to run only a few tests on real texts before going to bed, but the results were really good--better than any model alone when I've tested them, much better than Google Translate, and as good as top-level professional human translation.

The situation is different with interpreting, especially in person. If that were how I made my living, I wouldn't be too worried yet. But for straight translation work where the translator's personality and individual identity aren't emphasized, it's becoming increasingly hard for humans to compete.

lukax•1h ago
Try Soniox for real-time translation (interpreting). With the limited context it has in real-time, it's actually really good.

https://soniox.com

Disclaimer: I work for Soniox.

dr_dshiv•1h ago
I’ve been looking for that! Thanks
philsnow•1h ago
The distinction between what people typically imagine a translator's job is and the reality reminds me of pixar movies being "localized" instead of just translated (green beans on a plate in the Japan release instead of broccoli because that's the food that Japanese kids don't like).

Lacking cultural context while reading translated texts is what made studying history finally interesting to me.

few•39m ago
Another infamous example is Brock's "jelly filled donuts" in pokemon https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/brocks-jelly-doughnuts
sodality2•1h ago
This article is spot on about a lot of things. One thing I think it fails to address is this:

> I feel confident in asserting that people who say this would not have hired a translator or learned Japanese in a world without Google Translate; they’d have either not gone to Japan at all, or gone anyway and been clueless foreigners as tourists are wont to do.

The correlation here would be something like: the people using AI to build apps previously would simply never have created an app, so it’s not affecting software development as a career as much as you first expect.

It would be like saying AI art won’t affect artists, because the people who would put in such little effort probably would never have commissioned anyone. Which may be a little true (at least in that it reduces the impact).

However, I don’t necessarily know if that’s true for software development. The ability to build software enabled huge business opportunities at very low costs. I think the key difference is this: the people who are now putting in such low effort into commissioning software maybe did hire software engineers before this, and that might throw off a lot of the numbers.

MarkusQ•1h ago
Conversely, it may create jobs. Why? Because the more elephants you have in your parade, the more jobs there are for folks to walk behind them with a broom and bucket. For decades we've seen tools that "let users write their own software" and every one of them has driven up the demand for people to clean it up, make it scale, make it secure, or otherwise clean up the mess.
sodality2•27m ago
Also true! But that world is one where the vast majority of time is spent cleaning up slop code, so if there's a general shift towards that, I think that still changes the job in a significant way. (I don't have extensive history in the industry yet so I may be wrong here)
candiddevmike•1h ago
I think you could extrapolate it and say folks are primarily using GenAI for things they aren't considered a specialist in.
steveBK123•1h ago
Google translate is a good example too in terms of better-than-nothing to the completely uninitiated, helpful to someone with a little knowledge, and obviously not a replacement for a professional. That is - the more you know, the more you see its failures.

I know enough Japanese to talk like a small child, make halting small talk in a taxi, and understand a dining menu / restaurant signage broadly. I also have been enough times to understand context where literal translation to English fails to convey the actual message.. for example in cases where they want to say no to a customer but can't literally say no.

I have found Google Translate to be similarly magical and dumb for 15 years of traveling to Japan without any huge improvements other than speed. The visual real-time image OCR stuff was an app they purchased (Magic Lens?) that I had previously used.

So who knows, maybe LLM coding stays in a similar pretty-good-never-perfect state for a decade.

sodality2•25m ago
> So who knows, maybe LLM coding stays in a similar pretty-good-never-perfect state for a decade.

I think this is definitely a possibility, but I think the technology is still WAY too early to know that if the "second AI winter" the author references never comes, that we still wouldn't discover tons of other use cases that would change a lot.

Miraste•20m ago
I think you're right, AI art and AI software dev are not analogous. The point of art is to create art. There are a lot of traditions and cultural expectations around this, and many of them depend on the artist involved. The human in the loop is important.

Meanwhile, the point of software development is not to write code. It's to get a working application that accomplishes a task. If this can be done, even at low quality, without hiring as many people, there is no more value to the human. In HN terms, there is no moat.

It's the difference between the transition from painting to photography and the transition from elevator operators to pushbuttons.

tptacek•5m ago
The reasonable concern people have about AI eliminating coder jobs is that they will make existing coders drastically more productive. "Productivity" is literally defined as the number X of people required to do Y amount of stuff.

I'm not sure how seriously people take the threat of non-coding vibe-coders. Maybe they should! The most important and popular programming environment in the world is the spreadsheet. Before spreadsheets, everything that is today a spreadsheet was a program some programmer had to write.

carlosjobim•1h ago
As long as the person you are talking or writing to is aware that you're not a native speaker, they will understand that you won't be able to follow conventions around polite languages or understand subtle nuances on their part. It's really a non issue. The finer clues of language are intended for people who are from the same culture.
devnullbrain•1h ago
>All this is not to say Google Translate is doing a bad job

Google Translate is doing a bad job.

The Chrome translate function regularly detects Traditional Chinese as Japanese. While many characters are shared, detecting the latter is trivial by comparing unicode code points - Chinese has no kana. The function used to detect this correctly, but it has regressed.

Most irritatingly of all, it doesn't even let you correct its mistakes: as is the rule for all kinds of modern software, the machine thinks it knows best.

simonw•32m ago
That doesn't sound like a problem with Google Translate, it sounds like a problem with Google Chrome. I believe Chrome uses this small on-device model to detect the language before offering to translate it: https://github.com/google/cld3#readme
NicuCalcea•55m ago
While it's just anecdotal evidence, I have translator friends and work has indeed been drying up over the past decade, and that has only accelerated with the introduction of LLMs. Just check any forum or facebook group for translators, it's all doom and gloom about AI. See this reddit thread, for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/TranslationStudies/comments/173okwg...

While professionals still produce much better quality translations, the demand for everything but the most sensitive work is nearly gone. Would you recommend your offspring get into the industry?

gscott•40m ago
Anyone can make their own website, most won't. But AI can make technical people super-powered. If you loose your job to it, helping businesses integrate AI into their processes would be a good alternate to try.

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