I think my next challenge is supply chain, sourcing a custom board, and figuring out unit economics for a product version.
a lot of supply chain appears to be a relationship based economy. I may end up flying out to China at some point.
Or, maybe it will be a shell/case for the Pilet which I'll be getting from Kickstarter.
But, it looks to be a whole lot easier than it used to be!
- https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/1jo7m8c/framewor...
Updated with a new mainboard from the Ryzen AI line:
- https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberDeck/comments/1kjknh4/vrxr_cyb...
GitHub repo with STLs and build details, with it running Linux and Stardust XR with non-spatial inputs on XREAL glasses:
That guy commented in the Reddit thread I posted and I’m hoping to collab with him on the framework version if he’s down.
A bento/transformer type would be neat. One that can Switch between the 2 modes. Not clamshell or slide.
https://epiren.medium.com/i-created-a-headless-macbook-pro-a...
But, you’re not alone!
It is completely a personal preference, but I think you can get closer to a "daily driver" experience with a beheaded laptop. Two reasons: 1) you'll get better performance. This would be a moot point if you were using a Framework motherboard (or the Steam board was more widely available). 2) form factor. I would prefer to carry around a thinner slate computer over a thicker lunchbox computer. This is just personal preference.
For most people though, I think adapting an existing laptop is an easier project than what you've been able to accomplish. Don't get me wrong - I'm impressed. And I also really like the idea of a headless computer with AR glasses as the display. I think it's a use-case that needs to be taken seriously.
If I do, it would be with a custom board which would help shave down the size more considerably.
My hobby is miniaturizing everything. If I were to fork this project (and I would love to after about 10 other projects are complete), I would think about selecting one good dongle, "shucking" it any other needed things, integrating them, and then finding the minimum volume to fit my preferred travel controller[1] and preferred travel mouse[2]. Then, I would consider customizing the housings of those things to be even slimmer without customizing any electronics except for maybe making sure everything gets charged while stowed. I would also consider minor mods to the keyboard to get rid of the bulk of the usbc cable. Pogo pins plus some 3D printing should do the trick.
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55DO1HDeCHQ. No longer available new but this is the only good slim dual analog controller I have found.
[2]Still looking for a good one
Originally I was going to use my HHKB studio, but opted for the Magic Keyboard for the slimmer design and the fact that there’s at least one in every school, office, or other institution across the US.
I'm a fan of HMD programming in general so I love this project. But it should be noted that AOSP-based XR headsets can run pseudo Linux environments via termux + X: https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberDeck/comments/fc5sfr/oculus_qu...
Also if anyone is looking for a full-sized portable keyboard, I suggest https://www.protoarc.com/products/xk01-tri-fold-bluetooth-ke... which is my primary keyboard when I'm working remotely on my tablet. It is "pocket-sized" for certain definitions of "pocket".
The feedback was always “this is too heavy” for all devices excluding XREAL.
Also I wanted a device that didn’t feel like a hack. Something tailored to the experience.
[0] https://www.bigscreenvr.com [1] https://simulavr.com/blog/intermediate-products/
You mean you haven't tested XREAL or you didn't find XREAL as too heavy?
I'm asking because I have Viture XR Pro which are basically a clone of XREAL and I find them too heavy after a few hours of use.
I would really like a solution that wouldn't be as heavy and that would have clear displays where text would be readable from edge to edge.
I was excited about termux until about 3 years ago, when I saw that the app needed to be compiled against an ancient Android API version. Google seems indifferent to bricking this project... Today it's still breaking Fdroid updates:
https://github.com/termux/termux-app/issues/4120#issuecommen...
not long ago there was a post by a user also using glasses -- 85% sure they're the same ones -- but the goal was to replace a laptop display a fuller size one. I like that this project replaces the laptop with a SBC. I spent a decade and a half wishing that SBC would be a Raspberry Pi but ... welp, better late than never
I almost built the trackpad in but it would’ve been a much more personal product, as I’m left handed so I would’ve put it on the left.
Edit: lol didn't see the user name and thought you meant you're also working on the module system face palm
How is the Xreal One Pro for extended use? My concern is I have to put up with low res screen as I code away.
But seriously appreciate the enthusiasm to share it. This was meant to be a small side project for myself and it blew up. Glad other people are getting a kick out of it.
I have Viture XR Pro, the edges are still blurry and even though glasses have a miopia adjustment it has been difficult for me to get a clear image, not to mention the issues of IPD. Having a display at arms length still has many advantages over the face mounted displays.
That being said, as someone who feels the need to wipe any and every speck of dust off the display, the glasses have resolved that issue, it's just that they get heavy and painful after just a few hours of use.
In my opinion, we're not there yet, but I'm very optimistic for the future.
Also, 'just' the deck in a box still needs the same regulatory approval.
Check out the PiJuice HAT. It works great as a UPS for all RPi models.
The problem will be finding the right scale. LingLong had a crack with a limited kickstarter run, but they don't seem interested in following up with sustained mass-production.
Seriously, though, this is amazing work. Well done!
I recently blogged about trying to do web development on the Quest 3, and although it kind of works, it's way more hacky (and performance is still lacking). The nice thing however about the Quest, is still being able to leverage virtual window placement in the space around you vs. the fixed 2d monitor approach here.
MichaelThatsIt•7mo ago
It's a computer that fit's perfectly underneath an Apple Magic Keyboard, and has a compartment to store peripherals like a dongle or small mouse. It has no display, instead opting for XR display glasses.
The internals are the main board, cooler, and battery from a Steam Deck OLED. I bought the parts separately rather than gutting a perfectly good one.
The link is to the CAD files. I decided to open source it as I explore building a better one.
Feel free to jump straight to that, here's the origin story for anyone interested:
I started using the XREAL glasses a few months ago. they're great, easily my favorite "XR" product. It's built around the one killer app of XR, a virtual display. shedding all non-essential hardware into a small, lightweight package.
but I hate the redundancy. Whatever device I'm using it with, the built in screen goes unused. In parallel, I've also found myself extremely disappointed in each product calling itself a "spatial computer" despite being nothing but an overweight iPad for your face.
I wanted a real computer designed to be used with these glasses, and in the smallest package I could possibly achieve.
So I grabbed an actual iPad, downloaded Shapr3D and got to work. My iteration process involved jumping back and forth between my iPad and a 3D printer. I went through roughly 15 failed iterations getting the screw mounts, airflow, and ergonomics just right.
The final result is what I believe to be a true spatial computer. I've been daily driving and I'm pretty happy with the experience. It's currently running Ubuntu 24, but I may switch back to Steam OS, given it's better optimized for the hardware.
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Also doing the research on productizing the whole thing and sourcing a custom board.
ezschemi•7mo ago
I am interested in a productized version - but only with x64 boards like the Steam Deck or one of the Framework mainboards. I don't want to deal with 3D printing and all that. The latter are larger than the Steam Deck, though. No battery for me though: I would use it after work, when I am near an outlet anyway.
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How's your eye sight? Any signs of fatigue?
I've seen people saying that they're fine for gaming and movie watching but too fuzzy for work...
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It's great for gaming and movies as you say, and also for adopting a better posture when using a laptop in a cramped space like a train or airline seat. But even with the individual focus wheels for each eye, it doesn't feel sharp enough at 1080p to replace a 24" or 27" screen on a standard desk layout.
If I had the option of one 24" 1080p monitor on my desk or XR glasses to use for 8-10 hours of thoughtful work, I would choose the monitor.
Regarding eye strain or fatigue, I don't notice any. The fact that the projected display appears to be 3-4m away probably helps a lot with that.
zavec•7mo ago
> I bought the parts separately rather than gutting a perfectly good one.
Huh, I didn't know you could do that. Neat.
marci•7mo ago
https://ploopy.co/trackpad/
MichaelThatsIt•7mo ago
I’m still trying to figure out how to fit a full trackball in there…
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Do you have specifics issues in mind ? Battery consumption ? performance ? Stability issues ?
ryukafalz•7mo ago
I got the Viture Pro recently and this would be fun to add to that. Ultimately I think this is a very nice form factor both for portable use with XR glasses, and for use with a USB-C dock at home. The XR glasses on the market are still a bit rough, but the nice thing about this kind of setup is that you can replace the computer and the glasses independently, so as the glasses improve (especially looking forward to glasses with high-quality waveguides) you can upgrade.