Output synchronization which makes `make` print stdout/stderr only once a target finishes. Otherwise it's typically interleaved and hard to follow:
make --output-sync=recurse -j10
make -j10 --load-average=10
make --shuffle # or --shuffle=seed/reverseBut not portable. Please don't use them outside of your own non-distributable toy projects.
But there's another huge category: people who are automating something that's not open-source. Maybe it stays within the walls of their company, where it's totally fine to say "build machines will always be Ubuntu" or whatever other environment their company prefers.
GNU Make has a ton of powerful features, and it makes sense to take advantage of them if you know that GNU Make will always be the one you use.
GNU Make is feature rich and is itself portable. It's also free software, as in freedom. Just use it.
Just like optimization, it has its place and time.
Some GNU Make constructs, like pattern rules, are indispensable in all but the simplest projects, but can also be overused.
For some reason there's a strong urge to programmatically generate build rules. But like with SQL queries, going beyond the parameterization already built into the language can be counter productive. A good Makefile, like a good SQL query, should be easy to read on its face. Yes, it often means greater verbosity and even repetition, but that can be a benefit to be embraced (at least embraced more than is instinctively common).
EDIT: There's one exception, and that would be using Guile as an extension language, as that is often not available. However, thanks to conditionals (also not in POSIX, of course), it can be used optionally. I once sped up a Windows build by an order of magnitude by implementing certain things in Guile instead of calling shell (which is notoriously slow on Windows).
Makefiles are eerily lisplike turing tarpits. GNU Make even has metaprogramming capabilities. Resisting the urge to metaprogram some unholy system inside the makefile can be difficult. The ubiquitousness of GNU Make makes it quite tempting.
Basically it's considered too hard if not impossible to statically define the target's dependencies. This is now done dynamically with tools like `clang-scan-deps` [2]
[1] https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/manual/cmake-cxxmodules....
[2] https://llvm.org/devmtg/2019-04/slides/TechTalk-Lorenz-clang...
People who care about build systems are a special kind of nerd. Programmers are often blissfully ignorant of what it takes to build large projects - their experience is based around building toy projects, which is so easy it doesn't really matter what you do.
In my experience, once a project has reached a certain size, you need to lay down simple rules that programmers can understand and follow, to help them from exploding the build times. Modules make that extra hard.
The interesting bits are for example the -MMD flag to gcc, which outputs a .d file you can -include ${wildcard *.d} and you get free, up to date dependencies for your headers etc.
That and 'vpath' to tell it where to find the source files for % rules, and really, all the hard work is done and your 1/2 page Makefile will stay the same 'forever' and wills still work in 20 years...
Not saying make is strictly better here but at least you can find plenty of examples and documentation on it.
- Task (Go): https://github.com/go-task/task
- Cake (C#): https://cakebuild.net/
- Rake (Ruby): https://github.com/ruby/rake
Or an entirely different concept: Makedown, as discussed on HN 8 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41825344
I knew there was a lot of weirdness and baggage but I am frankly kind of horrified to learn about these "implicit rules" that seemingly automatically activate the C compiler due to the mere presence of a rule that ends in ".c" or ".o"
.SUFFIXES:
$ make foo
Hello foo
This ran too!
It would just be very helpful to have clear examples of when I run this, I get this.
Oh no. I have never worked with Makefiles but I bet that causes pain and suffering.
I've lost so many hours to missing/extraneous spaces in YAML files that my team recently agreed to get rid of YAML from our Spring Boot codebase.
Of course the real solution is: just use CMake, you dweeb.
I also realised at one point how naturally the idea extends to other tasks that I do. Going by the picture at the top of this site, it seems the author realised a similar thing to me: you can understand food recipes better if you think about them declaratively like makefiles, rather than imperatively like scripts, which is how recipes are traditionally written down.
I wrote about it here: https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/cooking-with-make/
I always scribble down recipes in a way that I can read like a Makefile and take that into the kitchen with me. I'm curious if anyone has tried typesetting or displaying recipes in this way as I feel like it would save a lot of time when reading new recipes as I wouldn't have to convert from a script to a makefile myself.
People sometimes treat it as a generic “project specific job runner”, which it’s not a good fit for. Even simple conditionals are difficult.
I’ve seen several well-intentioned attempts at wrapping Terraform with it, for example, which have ended terribly.
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