The main exception to this was Opera back when it had its own engine, which did use Opera at the start of its fairly clean default UA string. Then when they reached version 10 they had to make the primary version 9 with a second real version later in the string as sites couldn’t cope with two digit version numbers…
Opera in the late 90s / early 2000s was excellent. It was lightweight and snappy. Among the first to support tabs. The Presto engine was the most performant on machines of the era. The trialware/adware was annoying, but the browser was solid. The built-in email client was decent as well.
In 2009 they launched a very interesting web server / sharing feature with Opera Unite, which unfortunately didn't gain traction.
Opera Mini was the best mobile browser for a few years as well, before smartphones took off.
I think even the best management in the world wouldn't have helped it survive the onslaught of Google's Chrome and their massive war chest in that time. It's like a team of girl scouts versus the NBA.
My personal big thing was the ability to "minimise" / deque tabs, a legacy of the really early version of tabs that were basically based around the concept of the Windows task bar (and MDI), not tabs. I'm not a Firefox user as it's the least worst option, and there used to be Firefox extensions that mostly (but not quite) did it, but Mozilla naturally broke it as part of their general view that making Firefox worse will somehow make it popular[1].
Also mouse gestures. Again, you can kinda do it with Firefox, but random stuff like the home shortcut screen don't support it nowadays because???
Also, I want a status bar. I don't care if it's old fashioned, but I want one.
Sorry if this is becoming a Mozilla / Firefox gripe fest.
[1] I don't think Opera had a nice preview view for RSS feeds, but Firefox did. Then they broke it for random reasons? Gee, raw XML is so much better than a sensible view, thank you Mozilla!
There's a field in the Volume Boot Record of disc volumes, in the PC compatible world, that was supposed to be the name of the OEM whose software formatted the volume. It was (and is) a few bytes of identifying human-readable text. Operating systems ended up doing string comparisons and parsing numbers, and breaking in odd ways, including not even recognizing their own handiwork, when operating system vendors did not use the name of the first vendor.
* https://jdebp.uk/FGA/volume-boot-block-oem-name-field.html
It has probably been long enough since MS-DOS 3.3 and in turn the Browser Wars that someone is right now failing to learn from history and making this mistake anew, yet again, somewhere.
Because the reason it is the way it is in the first place is compatibility with sites that are doing things objectively wrong already, which makes it really hard to get them to change.
The problem is that poorly designed systems limit access or disable features based on a user-agent allowlist, which is never the right answer. There is no right way to do it because it's always wrong, but people choose to do it anyways.
I'm personally a fan of treating broken sites as broken, but I understand that realistically any "alternative" browser has to deal with all the broken sites designed for whatever came before it because otherwise most normal users won't consider switching.
If I were made King of the Internet for a day and able to enforce any changes I wanted on everyone, all the major browsers would have to change their user-agent string to something totally unique on the same day, intentionally breaking any sites that are doing it wrong for everyone so the broken sites are forced to fix their own nonsense. That'd come maybe two or three decrees down the line from "All ISPs are required to provide a globally routable IPv6 block in accordance with RFC 6177, providing only CGN IPv4 is a capital offense".
Also, I doubt tricking servers would indicate creating consumer confusion with the trademark.
[1]: https://www.pcworld.com/article/435584/why-windows-10-isnt-n...
Now Apple has the year in the OS version we'll have people wondering in a few years what happened to iOS 19-25.
We sold software that was installed long-term at customer sites, and they weren’t going to update it until they needed to, so the bug persisted in production well after we fixed it.
Windows reports its version numbers as a series of integers or by bools from helper functions, not as a string, and if there was any code that did you could easily work around it by having it report "Windows Nine" or "Windows v9" or whatever.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/sysinfoa...
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/sysinfo/vers...
gnabgib•2h ago
The post popular answer includes: History of the browser user-agent string related discussions:
2022 (87 points, 20 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31246438
2019 (62 points, 22 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21085388
2018 (558 points, 168 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16525559
2013 (100 points, 32 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6674812