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Google DeepMind team up to solve the Navier-Stokes million-dollar problem

https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2025-06-24/spanish-mathematician-javier-gomez-serrano-and-google-deepmind-team-up-to-solve-the-navier-stokes-million-dollar-problem.html
12•bilsbie•4h ago

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tocs3•3h ago
Not solved yet.
westurner•3h ago
Notes for such efforts:

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44043518#44053779 re: deep learning poised:

> jax-cfd mentions phiflow

> PhiFlow: https://github.com/tum-pbs/PhiFlow/

>> A differentiable PDE solving framework for machine learning

SymPy can solve ODEs and some PDEs.

sympy.solvers.pde: https://docs.sympy.org/latest/modules/solvers/pde.html

SymPy's sympy.utilities.lambdify.lambdify() compiles things to faster solvers like CPython math module, mpmath, NumPy, SciPy, CuPy, JAX, TensorFlow, SymPy, numexpr, and PyTorch. https://docs.sympy.org/latest/modules/utilities/lambdify.htm...

dynamicslab/pysindy; https://github.com/dynamicslab/pysindy :

> A package for the sparse identification of nonlinear dynamical systems from data

A question about fundamental Anosov flows and CFD in pysindy; due to "Flow Proof Helps Mathematicians Find Stability in Chaos" (2023) https://www.quantamagazine.org/flow-proof-helps-mathematicia... .. https://github.com/dynamicslab/pysindy/issues/383 :

/? site:github.com anosov https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agithub.com+anosov

> GitHub topic: quantum-fluids: https://github.com/topics/quantum-fluids

GitHub topic: Gross-Pitaevskii: https://github.com/topics/gross-pitaevskii

OSIRIS-code can simulate laser emissions in plasma, nonlinear optics in plasma,; and supports Checkpointing and thus probably parallelization; https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=44371059

For simulations of gravity-assisted spacecraft trajectories, in n-body (vortical fluidic) gravity:

> JPL SPICE toolkit: https://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/naif/toolkit.html

> SpiceyPy: https://github.com/AndrewAnnex/SpiceyPy

"Gravity as a fluid dynamic phenomenon in a superfluid quantum space. Fluid quantum gravity and relativity." (2017) https://hal.science/hal-01248015/ :

> [ Bernoulli, Navier-Stokes, Gross-Pitaevskii vortices in a field with curl ]

Shouldn't solving NS also solve for n-body gravity?

Anosov diffeomorphism; hyperbolicity of complex nonlinear dynamic fluid systems, Lyapunov exponents : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anosov_diffeomorphism

Curl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curl_(mathematics)

Vorticity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorticity

Bernoulli's principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle

Gross-Pitaevskii equation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross%E2%80%93Pitaevskii_equat...

Navier-Stokes equations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equation...

markstock•1h ago
Um, no?

This is a fine collection of links - much to learn! - but the connection between flow and gravitation is (in my understanding) limited to both being Green's function solutions of a Poisson problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green%27s_function

There are n-body methods for both (gravitation and Lagrangian vortex particle methods), and I find the similarities and differences of those algorithms quite interesting.

But the Fedi paper misses that key connection: they're simply describing a source/sink in potential flow, not some newly discovered link.

fasthands9•3h ago
I've long thought that if AI can start solving unsolved math problems we are in for a very weird (or bad) future, since at that point it really can come up with things that no one has thought of before. And perhaps, it would also be able to find new physics or new physical mechanisms very fast.

That said, it sounds like teams are guiding the areas of exploration pretty directly. If I was more cynical, I'd say that Google has a lot of financial incentive to claim it was integral to any breakthroughs the team comes up with.

eggn00dles•2h ago
Deepmind team is trying to solve the problem. Not their AI alone. The novel creativity AIs can produce atm are hallucinations.

Id wager quantum computers even in their infancy are more capable of generating valid solutions humans are incapable of.

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