Using facial recognition while covering their own faces. Classic.
Dig1t•7mo ago
Well we’ve seen that people will dox officers and threaten them and their families with violence. These are just officers doing their job, a job which the democratically elected officials empowered them to do.
Tens of millions of people broke the law crossing the border, with that scale of a problem it’s not surprising some level of automation is needed.
atemerev•7mo ago
Oh right, just doing their job sending innocent people to foreign concentration camps. "They just follow orders".
Dig1t•7mo ago
Yes actually they are normal people doing a job. They are fellow Americans with families and lives.
Just because it’s a law you don’t agree with, that does not make it okay to hurt the officers or their families. Do you not think that sets a bad precedent?
If there’s some other law that I disagree with is it okay if I dox the officers or threaten their families?
That’s not how democracy or the rule of law works.
atemerev•7mo ago
Oooh, as there was a law to sent Jews to concentration camps, you couldn't hurt gestapo officers or their families, that would set a really bad precedent! Right?
Law is not arbitrary. Cruelty and unfairness need to be fought, lawful or not. "Just following orders" is not a defense. Did they finally stop to teach history and civilization in schools?
Dig1t•7mo ago
Comparison of everything you don’t like to Nazis and Hitler doesn’t work anymore. Nobody cares because one side has spent the last 8 years calling everyone they don’t like Nazis.
Immigration law has existed forever, and it will be enforced. It’s actually overwhelmingly popular with the electorate. “Unfairness” is just your opinion, just because you don’t like the law doesn’t mean it’s okay to threaten violence against innocent families.
atemerev•7mo ago
Godwin himself suspended the law some years ago.
Yes, Nazis were also immensely popular with the electorate, and one can argue they even were democratically elected. Pushing people they didn't like to livestock cars or planes to CECOT is always popular in some circles. That doesn't make them less wrong, and when their time came, they were most properly hanged or put against the wall. As it should be.
I don't care about "one side" or "other side". I care about basic human morality. If somebody doesn't have one, they check themselves out of humans. All governments deported illegal immigrants. Some governments deported innocents. But no governments in the history of the country posted a crying woman in handcuffs on their official government Twitter account, gloating with their cruelty, until very recently. And no one before hired any officials who were giving actual Nazi salutes.
And yes, Nazis never understand why they are Nazis, or why is it wrong to be a Nazi, or why some people didn't like them. They will meet their end nonetheless.
I am not a leftist. I consider myself to be center-right. But you people have no idea about the size of the left reaction you'll get really soon. Anything even remotely right-aligned will be cursed forever and erased from memory for decades. And it's people like you who brought this. MAGA will deserve every last stone thrown at them, of course, but sadly many innocent people will suffer too.
Nothing will be forgotten. Of course, everyone who facilitated cruelty in any way is guilty.
yawnr•7mo ago
They’re using the facial recognition on anyone who asks them to identify themselves properly. Not to do their jobs (agree or disagree with the premise of that job), but to intimidate people. They’re just bullies who have their first taste of power since high school.
amy_petrik•7mo ago
here's the thing
If I flew to Japan, overstayed the visa, take a job under the table, just hang out living there... I would not be surprised that, should the government discover me, that I would naturally be deported.
I will be happy to let America be a place where people can waltz in here unannounced and live here and do whatever, have an anchor baby, get SNAP and WIC and medicaid and welfare to raise that anchor baby, that's cool.... provided that I can go have a Japan anchor baby, live there without any visa or immigration paperwork whatsoever, and enjoy the free healthcare. I don't mind if people coming in never learn english... provided I can go to France and rightfully expect to have the French bend a knee and instead learn English on my behalf.
jfengel•7mo ago
Indeed, you would be deported.
After a trial.
toomuchtodo•7mo ago
You have no expectation of privacy in public as law enforcement performing duties.
Sure, that’s true and I’m not disputing that. Death threats and threats against the families of officers are different. Officers don’t have a right to privacy but there’s also no requirement that they expose their identities when faced with violence and intimidation from the mob.
toomuchtodo•7mo ago
Yes, they are still required to. Don’t take the job if you can’t handle the risk. There are other jobs without the legal requirement. As law enforcement, it is your job to face potential violence or physical harm every day. If that isn’t clear in the job requirements or training, that’s a gap to be closed.
I don’t support or condone death threats, but I also don’t support hiding your identity as an agent of the government when you’re potentially breaking the law and violating human and constitutional rights publicly. If a private citizen attempted this (again, those being abducted who are US citizens or those otherwise legally in the country), it would be grounds to use lethal force under stand your ground laws. To be clear, again, I do not support death threats, nor the use of force (lethal or otherwise) against law enforcement assuming they are not exceeding their authority.
Dig1t•7mo ago
I think it’s fine to just obey the letter of the law. If legally an officer is required to self identify in a specific circumstance then they should absolutely do so. If they are not required to, then why should they voluntarily identify themselves if it means their family is going to receive death threats?
If you want them to identify themselves more frequently then try using democracy to pass new laws requiring them to identify in more circumstances.
toomuchtodo•7mo ago
That is indeed what California is doing with the No Vigilantes Act (SB 805).
yawnr•7mo ago
Dig1t•7mo ago
Tens of millions of people broke the law crossing the border, with that scale of a problem it’s not surprising some level of automation is needed.
atemerev•7mo ago
Dig1t•7mo ago
Just because it’s a law you don’t agree with, that does not make it okay to hurt the officers or their families. Do you not think that sets a bad precedent?
If there’s some other law that I disagree with is it okay if I dox the officers or threaten their families?
That’s not how democracy or the rule of law works.
atemerev•7mo ago
Law is not arbitrary. Cruelty and unfairness need to be fought, lawful or not. "Just following orders" is not a defense. Did they finally stop to teach history and civilization in schools?
Dig1t•7mo ago
Immigration law has existed forever, and it will be enforced. It’s actually overwhelmingly popular with the electorate. “Unfairness” is just your opinion, just because you don’t like the law doesn’t mean it’s okay to threaten violence against innocent families.
atemerev•7mo ago
Yes, Nazis were also immensely popular with the electorate, and one can argue they even were democratically elected. Pushing people they didn't like to livestock cars or planes to CECOT is always popular in some circles. That doesn't make them less wrong, and when their time came, they were most properly hanged or put against the wall. As it should be.
I don't care about "one side" or "other side". I care about basic human morality. If somebody doesn't have one, they check themselves out of humans. All governments deported illegal immigrants. Some governments deported innocents. But no governments in the history of the country posted a crying woman in handcuffs on their official government Twitter account, gloating with their cruelty, until very recently. And no one before hired any officials who were giving actual Nazi salutes.
And yes, Nazis never understand why they are Nazis, or why is it wrong to be a Nazi, or why some people didn't like them. They will meet their end nonetheless.
I am not a leftist. I consider myself to be center-right. But you people have no idea about the size of the left reaction you'll get really soon. Anything even remotely right-aligned will be cursed forever and erased from memory for decades. And it's people like you who brought this. MAGA will deserve every last stone thrown at them, of course, but sadly many innocent people will suffer too.
Nothing will be forgotten. Of course, everyone who facilitated cruelty in any way is guilty.
yawnr•7mo ago
amy_petrik•7mo ago
If I flew to Japan, overstayed the visa, take a job under the table, just hang out living there... I would not be surprised that, should the government discover me, that I would naturally be deported.
I will be happy to let America be a place where people can waltz in here unannounced and live here and do whatever, have an anchor baby, get SNAP and WIC and medicaid and welfare to raise that anchor baby, that's cool.... provided that I can go have a Japan anchor baby, live there without any visa or immigration paperwork whatsoever, and enjoy the free healthcare. I don't mind if people coming in never learn english... provided I can go to France and rightfully expect to have the French bend a knee and instead learn English on my behalf.
jfengel•7mo ago
After a trial.
toomuchtodo•7mo ago
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/stopped-by-police
Dig1t•7mo ago
toomuchtodo•7mo ago
I don’t support or condone death threats, but I also don’t support hiding your identity as an agent of the government when you’re potentially breaking the law and violating human and constitutional rights publicly. If a private citizen attempted this (again, those being abducted who are US citizens or those otherwise legally in the country), it would be grounds to use lethal force under stand your ground laws. To be clear, again, I do not support death threats, nor the use of force (lethal or otherwise) against law enforcement assuming they are not exceeding their authority.
Dig1t•7mo ago
If you want them to identify themselves more frequently then try using democracy to pass new laws requiring them to identify in more circumstances.
toomuchtodo•7mo ago
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...