Fahrenheit draws a line between three points and assumes a "law in nature". This was false (short answer).
The fact that there are things like PI for a circle means our numerical system has been invented before we had any knowledge about quantum quantities for lack of a better word (like autonomous autos X).
Math is wrong. But it's gotten this "holy" status of almost defining intelligence, like Latin is to English.
It's clearly wrong (to me at least) but it's such a big part of "smart" people's egos.
I have a gold medal in theoretical physics and I find quantum mechanics presents no difficulty or mysticism. There is however significant lament that the reductionist paradigm has failed to produce a deterministic universe from the decidedly probabilistic one we inhabit.
Neither do we observe (left-path + right-path) electrons. QM being a computation tool and not a description of underlying reality is a coherent idea.
My point is similar but not quite so prohibitive. It isn't about cats, rather it is about shedding your large scale ontologies when you work at much smaller scale. At these scales we have observation and evolution according wave equations, that is the ontology. In between there is nothing to conceive of or there are superpositions and non-locality. There is no comforting continuous existence across time and you need to accept that just as in classical physics you accepted the opposite, perhaps unknowingly. Do you not think your intuition about ontology may fail you when scales change 9 orders of magnitude?
> Why does a cat being both alive and dead sound like nonsense?
Alive and dead are coarse grained macrostates and these are never observed in superposition. Just like we don't observe asteroids in superpositions either. You could make some argument around decoherence to explain the absence while maintaining the possibility I guess. The absence of observation is why it sounds like nonsense. Cats aren't things that are alive and dead (sounds like category error to me), even though electrons (excitations of electron field, something something strings or loop or whatever) might be things that exist in superpositions over position space or momentum space and you can calculate observables from wavefunctions.
That doesn't say anything about what is "happening" IMO. I'm not saying macroscopic observations rule out microscopic ontologies.
In QM, I don't even get the comfort of assuming there is an objective reality filled with entities that enjoy continuous existence in time.
Probably the most persuasive point you make is about non-local couplings. I think that's the strongest evidence for me that macroscopic observations don't bind the microscopic ontology. I probably buy the "everything is relational/consistent histories" story the most.
> There is no comforting continuous existence across time
I think I agree. Using differential equations to model everything makes us think that the entities are really there and being pushed around by laws. But that's the map trying to sneak into the territory imo.
But I don't think it really solves any of the problems people care about. It replaces superposition with a set of predetermined outcomes which you cannot possibly know. Instead of a random number generator, you have a list of numbers duplicated at every point in the universe -- but whose values cannot be read except by doing the thing and finding out the result.
It works, and it is different. But I'm skeptical that it will actually lead to the kind of genuinely novel insights that 't Hooft suggests it will.
Obviously, he's got a Breakthrough Prize and a whole passel of others, and I got nuthin', so I'd believe him over me. But I think that the "right track", if we ever find it, is going to be found in some completely different direction.
VivaTechnics•7mo ago
There must be an underlying deterministic system. - We don’t know what it is yet. - Quantum mechanics is incomplete, not wrong — it hides deeper rules. - His belief is based on logic, not current experimental proof.
In short, he says we don’t know what it is, but it’s something out there.
potamic•7mo ago
AndrewOMartin•7mo ago
I ain't no physicist but I learned about Bell's Theorem from a video where Feynman is explaining it in terms of boxes with buttons and lights on them, while dressed in a tracksuit. The audience keep asking questions so he goes over the idea about two dozen times, but that's not necessarily a bad thing in this case.
rcxdude•7mo ago
Strictly speaking, it can't be the result of local hidden variables under the assumption that you can make decisions in the detector that are independent of the experiment that you're doing. Usually those who argue for something like hidden variables try to find wriggle room in the latter part (that these decisions are somehow inherently correlated with what's being measured). But this is also deeply weird, because you could base these decisions in principle on information that has not had a causal relationship with the experiment since the start of the universe. (this idea is called superdeterminism)
ks1723•7mo ago
AFAIK, at least one assumption needs to go.
There is a nice paper by N. David Mermin illustrating the incompatibility [2].
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kochen%E2%80%93Specker_theor...
[2] https://www.physics.wisc.edu/courses/home/spring2020/407/exp...
potamic•7mo ago
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ktallett•7mo ago
I would recommend reading Chiara Marletto's book on Constructor Theory which is an attempt at breaking physics into fundamental can and can nots, which is a start for the next step of determining the missing physical rules.