I have seen engineering teams at MSFT that provide questionable value to the business so trimming the fat does make sense. Also These multiple rounds of layoffs have made me internalise that we need to be working on something valuable instead of useful.
Can someone discern why these layoffs are being done ? Driven by large shareholders? More runway till we get revenue from GenAI while we keep burning money on GPUs ?
Over-hiring and over-aquiring during the ZIRP and covid eras causing big-tech to became massively bloated.
They spent too much on AI without making enough revenue from it. So they need to cut elsewhere so that in quarterly reports, it looks like the AI investment returned the right numbers.
... Eh?
https://www.globalnerdy.com/2011/07/03/org-charts-of-the-big...
There's something especially perverse about compensation for employment coming in a form that companies grow in value by terminatkng employment. Ostensibly the point of stock compensation is to reward doing work that helps the company, but instead of provides cover for the company to leech the potential compensation employees would get in salary to grow the value of the stock with less pushback from those it literally is taking the compensation from.
People often decry stock-based compensation as "golden handcuffs" that stop you from leaving, but perhaps the more apt metaphor would be a golden guillotine; they'll have you cheering for the executions right up to the point when your own head is on the chopping block.
Starting in 2022ish, tech companies started feeling pressure from investors to control costs at the same time that the covid-era froth was dying down and the economy was becoming more unstable. The first round of layoffs pushed back against over-hiring. But by doing this together, tech companies managed to halt (and somewhat reverse) the growth in compensation for employees. Regular small layoffs since then have kept the hiring market awful, so companies can hire for less and offer flat pay across time.
These layoffs are part of a broader reaction by capital against the power gains that labor made over the past decade (especially during the covid era).
I am an employee and stock holder both. Obviously, I would rather have a job than not but at the same time a significant portion of my personal wealth is in MSFT stocks.
I have seen engineering teams at MSFT that provide questionable value to the business so trimming the fat does make sense. Also These multiple rounds of layoffs have made me internalise that we need to be working on something valuable instead of useful.
Can someone discern why these layoffs are being done ? Driven by large shareholders? More runway till we get revenue from GenAI while we keep burning money on GPUs ?
I'm gonna get this post quoted in its entirety. I wonder if you personally will be impacted by this wave of layoff and if so, how will your opinion change.Another person told me about this thing called shake the tree that every new leader - CEO does. They see what falls and learn from that.
This is what happens when people prostrate themselves before the (nonexistent) mercy of wealth instead of forming unions and their own co-ops for more stability and long-term happiness.
I do think implementing workplace democracy is much more likely, and can be legislated into law too. While tech workers will argue about unions, I feel like most of them wouldn't argue about getting the chance to vote for their boss.
Do you have experience with unions yourself?
Tech skews low on socioeconomic-political intelligence. It would benefit this group greatly, but too many avoid it or are thoroughly indoctrinated to sabotage their own interests.
> Do you have experience with unions yourself?
Tech, no. Corporate America and a good fraction of academia are heavily anti-union.
> And so, on schedule in 2022, the change to Section 174 went into effect. Companies filed their 2022 tax returns under the new rules in early 2023. And suddenly, R&D wasn’t a full, immediate write-off anymore. [1]
[1] The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44180533
https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-micro...
[2] Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44226145
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