Do you mean 'naturally' by their own selection, or some external means?
Lime disease has a similar relationship with predators that eat mice, so let's also keep an eye out for the owls and snakes.
According to him, about one person dies each year from it.
What is reported, in this article and many others, is that the person arrived at the hospital and died there the same day. There is no mention in any article I have read that the symptoms began less than 24 hours before the death.
> The victim was rushed to Flagstaff Medical Center, showing severe symptoms, and died the same day.
But sure, that doesn't rule out that the symptoms became severere, or that there weren't different lesser symptoms beforehand. It does make it sound like it was all pretty immediate though.
Waterluvian•5h ago
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mcv•4h ago
Apparently there's a couple of cases every year, but I've got to say that amidst the return of measles and various other diseases, the cuts in healthcare, this is not a great look.
Waterluvian•4h ago
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ginko•4h ago
>Symptoms often begin within a week of infection and may include fever, chills, swollen lymph nodes, nausea and weakness.
If I had symptoms like that I think I'd just stay at home and not visit a doctor yet. Certainly not within 24 hours of them showing up.
jll29•3h ago
Also, medical practitioners may not immediately put on their bioharzard protection suite when someone walks in with swollen lymph nodes and nausea.
That's why it is important to take news of incidents and location of the occurrence into consideration, both as a patient and as medical staff.
SoftTalker•2h ago
asyx•1h ago
rayiner•4h ago
Canada obviously had only 1/10th the population. Your attempted connection to domestic policies is spurious.
Waterluvian•2h ago
There’s likely numerous other variables to explore.
rayiner•1h ago
mcv•34m ago
I'm saying it's part of a pattern. The rise in measles, after it was practically eliminated, is obviously caused by the rise in anti-vax beliefs. And that plus the other factors I mentioned are part of a pattern of carelessness and misinformation around public health. All of it put together, these are extremely worrisome developments.
throw310822•5h ago
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lazide•4h ago
Probably anyway, there is some debate on that. But it’s pretty likely.
readthenotes1•4h ago
"Plague occurs in three forms, bubonic, septicemic and pneumonic, depending on whether the infection hits the lymph nodes, bloodstream or lungs. Most US cases are bubonic, typically spread via flea bites from infected rodents. "
Given the discussion of the prairie dog die off, it's more interesting than it was mnemonic and not move on it for me fleas
Waterluvian•4h ago
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marssaxman•4h ago
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Waterluvian•3h ago
stirfish•1h ago
opello•1h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onzL0EM1pKY
littlestymaar•4h ago
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Gys•4h ago
> The bubonic plague is the most common form of the bacterial infection, which spreads naturally among rodents like prairie dogs and rats.
southernplaces7•4h ago
southernplaces7•4h ago
The COVID pandemic, for all the fear and emergency measures it sparked mostly killed sporadically. In any average social group, family or community, one would hear of only a very small minority of people having actually died. It was, comparatively, a sort of kid-gloves pandemic in terms of pure clinical impact.
Compare that with hearing stories of a vast and utterly mysterious dying sweeping towards all that you know, only to suddenly hear one day of inhabitants in the outermost parts of your city falling like flies in the most disgusting of ways, and then being forced to watch the same thing you'd feared from rumor unfold before your very eyes to those you love, taking each of them in turn so terribly that you can barely bring yourself to even approach (let alone try help) these same people that you'e cherished since birth. This abyss of tragedy overwhelms you and all your senses before finally, just days later, you wake up with yet another exhausting morning to the discovery of nearly every single person you know being dead, and all the social tapestry that wove you together so richly across so many years now completely erased from your personal world. All this monstrous upheaval, in just a single week.
askonomm•4h ago
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Grosvenor•3h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone
There's entire chapters of this:
"The author describes the progression of the disease, from the initial headache and backache, to the final stage in which Monet's internal organs fail and he hemorrhages extensively in a waiting room in a Nairobi hospital. "
Edit: Richard Preston, not Michael Chrichton. Not sure what I was thinking.
jameshart•2h ago
Maybe you’re thinking of The Andromeda Strain?
literalAardvark•2h ago
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Waterluvian•2h ago
This social plague is proliferating and I’m not sure we really know how to fight it as it takes colleagues, friends, family, celebrities we once admired.
deadbabe•2h ago
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tyre•2h ago
This is a silly and regularly disproven trope.
For an extensive and approachable start: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-...
southernplaces7•57m ago
MangoToupe•1h ago
Yea I know a couple of people who watched their families and friends get chopped to bits with machetes and lemme tell you, they are not stronger for it. I would maybe rethink this idea. I suspect ignorance has always thrived.
n3storm•1h ago
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davidw•27m ago
Most of the men involved in this were pretty well off, for instance. Big trucks, nice houses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretchen_Whitmer_kidnapping_pl...
Hardly oppressed people.
spooky_deep•42m ago
Although I wonder if loneliness, stress and lack of direction are much bigger problems today.
southernplaces7•23m ago
I'm pretty sure that abysmal health options, food insecurity to the point of famine always being just a stone's throw or single bad season away, and grinding poverty all created plenty of stress. The vast majority of people at the time just had no IG Reels with which to vent about their crisis mode for posterity. I just can't imagine any random modern person's level of stress being somehow worse.
As for lack of direction. Life in those times for a vast majority had a simple direction: labor and toil intensely until you die of old age/disease in the same place you were born, rarely straying more than a few miles from those horizons. I'd call today's self-created "lack of direction" pretty preferable to that.
roywiggins•2h ago
The Black Death was so big that people struggled to comprehend it at the time, too.
southernplaces7•31m ago
literalAardvark•2h ago
Idk where that "small minority" is but it sounds like you might not value your friends very highly.
Sure, it wasn't 80%, but still, it's not that isolated and I hate this narrative that it was a light cold.
sokoloff•2h ago
That’s a small minority by any reasonable measure, especially in a thread comparing it to the plague.
literalAardvark•2h ago
The IFR was only low because we could get all the infected to the hospital.
sokoloff•2h ago
Where is this place where everyone who gets infected with C19 goes to the hospital or seriously risks death?
literalAardvark•1h ago
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SoftTalker•2h ago
literalAardvark•2h ago
Doesn't mean it wasn't deadly during the initial wave.
suzzer99•1h ago
southernplaces7•33m ago
How I value my friends has nothing to do with the death toll and mortality rate I saw anecdotally, of nearly nobody I know dying from it out of hundreds of people of many ages that I knew at the time. Do you imagine that me valuing my friendships more or less somehow changes the clinical mortality stats for a carefully monitored virus? Really?
Also, COVID wasn't a light cold, but for many people, the vast majority in fact, its symptoms were moderate to mild and far from fatal. Again, this isn't politics of any kind talking, it's just the raw numbers from any reliable source you care to look at. IFR wasn't anywhere close to 10% by the way, as you say further down. Most people, by far, with COVID, were never hospitalized for it (that would have been impossible considering what percentage of the population eventually got it) and the IFR rate among them wasn't 10%. I'd truly love to see your source for that whopper.
Globally, in absolute averaged total, as far as any source I've seen indicates, COVID had/has an IFR that roughly breaks down as follows: This is from the National Institute of Health btw.
"For 29 countries (24 high-income, 5 others), publicly available age-stratified COVID-19 death data and age-stratified seroprevalence information were available and were included in the primary analysis. The IFRs had a median of 0.034% (interquartile range (IQR) 0.013–0.056%) for the 0–59 years old population, and 0.095% (IQR 0.036–0.119%) for the 0–69 years old. The median IFR was 0.0003% at 0–19 years, 0.002% at 20–29 years, 0.011% at 30–39 years, 0.035% at 40–49 years, 0.123% at 50–59 years, and 0.506% at 60–69 years. IFR increases approximately 4 times every 10 years. Including data from another 9 countries with imputed age distribution of COVID-19 deaths yielded median IFR of 0.025–0.032% for 0–59 years and 0.063–0.082% for 0–69 years. Meta-regression analyses also suggested global IFR of 0.03% and 0.07%, respectively in these age groups."
In any case, all of this deviates slightly from a more basic point there's simply no comparison between COVID and the Black Death, in no scenario or circumstance, and mentioning that is not denying that COVID could be dangerous. It's just a statement of obvious facts about how much, much more horrific one of those two pandemics was historically.
hibikir•2h ago
So even when warned (and people were warned) often the people bringing the warnings could spread the disease anyway.
hn_throwaway_99•1h ago
My partner did his medical internship at UCSF in 1994. Your quote pretty perfectly describes what happened in gay communities in cities like NY and SF in the 80s and early 90s due to the AIDS epidemic.
southernplaces7•29m ago
tolerance•42m ago
At the very least, what I'd like to see from news sites is using a LLM to synthesize the most recent/relevant stories to generate some sort of blurb explaining the topic for a given page.
That is, if a human can't be bothered to do it themselves.