We did?
Cologne's tram system is weird. Over the last century, they merged the tram, subway and selected private railways into a single network. The result is sort of a tram network on steroids, that also runs underground and serves longer distances to two neighboring cities. But it's still separate from the national train network or even "real" suburban trains (S-Bahn).
(Edit: Just learned the term "interurban" for that...)
That's unlike Berlin or Vienna, where you sometimes have subway and S-Bahn side by side in the same station, but on different tracks. I think that's closer to what they mean with "through-running"?
Maybe Wien Mitte though?
https://homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/ubahn/m/large...
Uhhh, it’s not.
E.g.
> Line 8 is 22.057 km (13.706 mi) long, including 2.8 km (1.7 mi) of open-air tracks in the southeastern suburbs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_M%C3%A9tro_Line_8
Maybe they just meant comparing it to the tunnelled sections but I also don’t see why that would really impact speeds. It’s the traffic/grade separation that gets you the speed advantage.
also the Paris Metro is kinda slow because of station density, so you may save a lot of walking but have a lot of station dwell time.
Go during the day and pick any two arbitrary points in Paris and you’ll usually find cycling faster than transit on Google Maps.
Karlsruhe: The local operators have severe quality issues, in part due to this concept. There are like four points in the city where issues impact the whole network. The rolling stock is very bad compared to the other regional trains running in Baden-Württemberg (no/bad ac, flaky internet, no sockets, bad seating). The trains have way too little capacity, I’ve seen incidents, where they run three coaches (which they don’t do often, they are too long to enter the city), where people could not get in anymore. Some of the stations in the surrounding area are absolutely mental (Durmersheim for example), you have to walk over rails where ICEs and cargo goes through. Some trains are split or merged when leaving or entering the city, but it always causes delays. When trains can’t use the heavy metal rails and thus not leave the city due to ICEs getting priority, a lot of inner city traffic can be affected. The cooperation between the different infrastructure operators is also a source of problems.
Do not take Karlsruhe uncritically as an example where this model works well, yeah sure average numbers make it look good, but the reliability is complete ass. KVV always manages to surprise me on how bad it gets.
yet, what this historiography conveniently omits is that it was the glorious government intervention that strangled the often privately owned interurban/tram/train companies out of business due to massive amounts of roads being built under public works programs that were all too common from the 1920s-1940s.
As the article mentions later:
automobile doomed the interurban whose private, tax-paying tracks could never compete with the highways that a generous government provided for the motorist.
that provision had many names, one was “New Deal”
I don’t have a solution but two observations:
1) somehow in Asia never happened what happened in the West, that is, private transportation companies are still private, they prosper, and the societies excel at mobility.
2) Never ever destroy built infrastructure. Always plan for the possibility for a comeback. Post-war, many cities removed tram tracks. But even a rusty tram track is cheaper to repair 70 years later than, paying upfront for the dismantling and 70 years later for a complete new construction.
Keeping unused right of ways open is challenging too. Adjacent properties will tend to encroach, and depending on specifics and local rules, may be able to claim the encroached property through adverse possession.
In Somerville, the Somerville Community Path was a disused heavy rail right-of-way when I first visited in 2002 or 2003. Ripping up the tracks and putting in the community path improved walkability to a Red Line station (Davis) and creating a nice space for recreational walking and cycling.
There are real trade offs to leaving disused infrastructure in place. Not losing a continuous right-of-way is a huge upside, but there are definitely downsides too.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Major_railway_stations_...
e.g. today's 18:24 from Horsham to Peterbrough going through London Bridge at 19:31, Blackfriars at 19:37 and then St Pancras (for a triple!) at 19:46 https://www.thetrainline.com/live/departures/london-blackfri...
I had no idea. A few systems are still in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interurban#United_States
This is not a feasible option due to the vast difference in crashworthiness standards between US freight rail and other system types such as light rail. The FRA actually prohibits allowing these two types on the same network of tracks at the same time. However, they could use a line along the right-of-way were it big enough to accommodate another set of tracks.
The biggest issue is often bridges. Retaining the land that additional track(s) were on is fairly cheap. Building and maintaining rail bridges is not.
And building the light rail bridges for a transit system is not cheap. It's just less horribly expensive than building bridges which you could run strings of 220-ton freight locomotives over.
fjfaase•6h ago
salynchnew•4h ago
Does San Francisco's Muni LRVs somehow not qualify as a tram train network?
https://www.sfmta.com/getting-around/muni/muni-metro-light-r...
puls•4h ago
It would also be more or less impossible under current US regulations, but there's always hoping that that could be fixed.
Animats•3h ago
Current Caltrain equipment: [1]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUEZ6uuM_EA
AnimalMuppet•3h ago