In other news, AccuWeather servers overwhelmed with requests after shutting down Weather API
Yes. Yes, I'm sure you are.
The core tech is tuned for performance, using local gridded files instead of a traditional database or response caching. This efficiency is what allows it to stay free.
You can try it here: https://open-meteo.com
I switched to Open Meteo a few months ago when the previous API I was using quit working. It's been rock solid and such a nice user experience compared to everything else I tried.
We've been using OWM but the One Call API quickly gets pricey when traffic spikes.
Picked up a commercial license about 3 months ago, service is amazing and have been using it for helping to provide runtime data analysis and anomaly detection for smart home thermostats.
They also provide yr.no which is widely used worldwide.
- uber low limits for anon access
- low, but reasonable for register free users
- Up-to-you for paid users
You might say: well, proxies are cheaper than paid plan, and solution to that - charge reasonable price.
It surprises me that in 2025 we can't just support global free weather data as some kind of cooperative service. It's not like it's high-bandwidth or even all that high-volume.
I could switch my site to just use NWS and be US only I suppose; better than just being completely off. Adding all the weather services of every country in the world is too much for me (and why I guess the paid services are value-add).
They also provide yr.no which is widely used worldwide.
EDIT: I have also since learned of Vercel's bot/scraper blocking features so I'm also going to try turning those on and see if it stops the scraping.
Unfortunately, the API for searching for a location is terrible and often gets locations wrong.
how would you feel if you were the SWE on the other side of this API and people demand it for free
Nobody is expecting anybody to work for free. We expect government to pay for it. I think you know this and pretend not to for some reason.
You can see a literal example of that thinking in the comments of _heimdall for whom valuable commons are unexploited business cases.
As a matter of fact US Commerce department provides many API services including free geolocation (wuuut) via census.gov among so many services
A side note about Trump and politics/shmolitix etc: his stageshow budget cuts will have short term impact but will likely be repaired when the House flips and Dems make gains in the Senate after the mid terms. A lot of White Americans living at or below the poverty line will be hurt by the scheduled cuts and will have questions n' thoughts, but man this Epstein footcannon-nuclear-grenade-launcher of Trump's just might be the thing that ends Republican Party's 10 year abusive relations with an objectively adjudicated and multifacted criminal
Personally I'm not really worried about the "no more elections" panic narrative, because I think the real answer is that there isn't going to be much of a federal government left to take the reigns of.
I do expect more than just flipping off a switch: at some level there'll be outright sabotage, of data systems or physical hardware or both, for the purposes of destroying what is being made to go away.
This is because that's why it's being done. Budget concerns were never the point. It's the wholesale destruction of American soft power and indispensable systems. That's why I expect physical sabotage under cover of 'decommissioning'.
It’s now Apple’s WeatherKit.
The first 500K calls a month is free with a $99 a year Apple Developer account and there is a standard REST API for none Apple OS’s.
At the bottom - report an issue.
I have no idea what happens to that data and if it contributes to the report in any way.
They may be included with your $99/year subscription, but to call them "free" is like saying that the groceries I'm holding are free because I just gave the cashier money.
It's free like riding the monorail at Disney World is free; included in the cost of your entry ticket, and utterly inaccessible to anyone who has not paid.
We're not talking about "weather forecasts", we're talking about a specific set of weather forecasts accessed in a particular way.
Highways are mostly funded through gas taxes, and registration fees for EVs. Even foreign tourists buy gasoline, or drive an EV that paid its registration fee.
Also, the Disney World monorail is outside the ticket gates. You can ride it without a ticket.
Source: I live 30 minutes away from Disney and partially moved to Florida when I started working remotely to save money on taxes.
We're up against the most basic of human nature here.
I don’t think you need to incentivize people to provide weather data. Just make it easy to set up a station and get a lot of people interested. There are already hobby stations out there and networks for them.
Yeah I could see the hobby-drive there
It doesn’t work as well as they wanted and it has been subject to various exploits over the years from people figuring out how to fake the participation to extract rewards.
>>Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as trusted third parties to process electronic payments. While the system works well enough for most transactions, it still suffers from the inherent weaknesses of the trust based model. Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot avoid mediating disputes. The cost of mediation increases transaction costs, limiting the minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions
From the bitcoin white paper.
>I’m referring to projects like the Helium network, which rewards people for running network nodes
OK, what's the clearance rate for helium?
Visa clears 35,000 a second.
Famously, the British found x was "fewer cobras" and y was "cobra tails", the opposite of x being "the locals bred cobras to get money for cobra tails".
Make a citizen science weather station that's free, it's all fine. Make it paid, someone's going to grab satellite pics and generate from them plausible but not necessarily accurate simulated weather station data for everywhere to get that money.
Trying to do this with humans on a big scale combines the worst of software development in the days of punched cards, working without anyone having given you a formal language spec, and black-hat hackers on the modern internet.
It is very very easy to pick your incentives badly; you only get feedback on a very slow cycle (in the punched card days you might run the program overnight and only find it crashed on line 32 from a typo the next morning, but it's much slower than that in meatspace); and you also need constant fine-tuning as people interested in gaming the system share their methods for doing so.
It's the same thing with ad networks, most of the effort goes into verifying that an ad click was legitimate and not a bot. Or that classic story of when the British government tried to eliminate Cobras in India by paying a bounty for every dead cobra, which just led to people breeding more cobras.
Do you have any idea if you can plug this thing into a public api to share?
Looks like it can be done with home assistant and then pushed up to collection locations, so I suspect things are pretty open
I can access any other publicly shared Ecowitt station's data.
They do still claim:
"250,000+ Weather Stations
Weather Underground is a global community of people connecting data from environmental sensors like weather stations and air quality monitors "
I think it's a bit like FlightRadar24 - if you feed them your weather station (or ADBS receiver) data you get some level of free access but with non commercial use restrictions.
This is primarily for air quality by default, but you can get temperature, humidity, etc as well. For each station, someone paid for the hardware and is sharing the data gratis.
Luckily, they allow you to configure additional arbitrary locations to pump data to. I wrote a little program to drop that data into an InfluxDB database (along with PurpleAir, AirGradient, AirThings, Solar Data, and Iotawatt). The only practical use I’ve found is to look and see “When was the last time we head three days in a row that were so windy?” I suppose I could do fun stuff with Home Assistant too.
You could do something that for the same zip/county, aggregates the results based on a certain percentage. You could weight it based on how many times a user is outside this range. (e.g. bad actors)
I just got zigbee working in my house (SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus Gateway). Is there any recommended weather nuts out there that could recommend a weather device (that they like and is cool), just in case someone wants to create a project and is looking for data providers.
https://www.adsbexchange.com/how-it-works/
https://www.flightaware.com/adsb/
Like others have pointed out though, gathering observation data is only part of the problem. Turning current and historical observations into usable and accurate forecasts is a big compute heavy task, and whoever is paying for that compute needs either government funding, which is not easy in the age of DOGE, or to charge for the forecasts.
I have a weather station that collects temp, pressure, wind speed and direction rainfall - and which has wifi and built in capability to send it's data to a bunch of web services. Sadly, it's still in the box it came in because I haven't got around to installing it and the burst of enthusiasm the inspired me to buy it has long since died. (If anyone in Sydney Australia wants it, reply here and we might be able to organise for you to come collect it.)
I am very impressed by how how much data they provide free of charge.
The internet as we know it (blogs etc) is going to stop existing and this will just turn into an protocol layer communicating between said walled gardens
Bit miffed that the big tech orgs basically killed something that could be organic & community driven. If somehow a path could have been found to maintain and possibly even scale that sort of grassroot internet I think it could have turned into something unimaginably awesome. Big tech actively killed that trajectory
Apple/Dark Sky seems to only cover a very limited number of countries (despite many more providing radar data under open access), and zoom.earth seems to be shutting down precipitation radar by September.
Somebody, somewhere in the world has to build & maintain this API. Somebody's job depends on it. If you use it and you find it useful, you can afford to pay whatever they're willing to charge.
Otherwise, build & maintain your own. Make sure you never charge for it!!
I used ForecastBar until they went to a rent-only-but-never-own model where a frickin' weather app has tiers. WTF!? Don't get me started on the weather.com apps either.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/stop-using-third-party-weath...
otterley•7h ago
macintux•7h ago
Update: https://gizmodo.com/republicans-project-2025-would-end-free-...
exe34•7h ago
Shoot the messenger and bury your head in the sand!
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rjbwork•6h ago
We've just let the wrong sort of people control our communication infrastructure, set the messages disseminated by that infrastructure, and take power in a multi-pronged attack.
There's no reason there couldn't have been an FDR-esque strongman driven emulation of China's approach.
Instead we're blowing up the national debt, cutting services, dismantling soft power, destroying our scientific and academic infrastructure, and expanding the military.
Spoom•6h ago
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sunflowerfly•6h ago
Today we should be building subways, a hub and spoke high speed rail system, and an automated hub and spoke freight system that uses trucks only for first and last mile. And maybe a tunnel at the Bering straight.
geoka9•5h ago
Interesting idea. Why?
ryandrake•6h ago
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krapp•6h ago
This is a perfectly rational set of policies as far as these people are concerned. How else are we going to stop the Jewish space lasers?
[0]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/us/meteorologists-threats...
throw0101b•6h ago
> "The Pentagon ... announced that we are eliminating woke climate change programs and initiatives inconsistent with our core warfighting mission," [Chief Pentagon Spokesman Sean Parnell] said.
* https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/41...
See also "Pentagon Starts Purging Climate Change Measures":
* https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-pentagon-pu...
But from 2021 (during Biden), "Climate change is a risk to national security, the Pentagon says"
* https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/1049222045/the-pentagon-says-...
input_sh•6h ago
In 2005: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Weather_Service_Dutie...
> In the wake of the bill's introduction, Santorum was accused of political impropriety and influence peddling because Joel Myers, the head of Pennsylvania-based AccuWeather and one of Santorum's constituents, was also a Santorum campaign contributor.
In 2017, when Berry Myers (AKA the CEO of AccuWeather) was nominated to head the NOAA, but was never confirmed into the position (due to the series of sexual misconduct at the company), ultimately withdrewing his nomination two years later.
Right now, when Neil Jacobs (long time vocal proponent of comercialising weather data who maintained a social media profile called "The Greatest Hoax" in reference to climate change) and Taylor Jordan (a lobbyist for many weather companies, including AccuWeather of course) got appointed into the position of overseeing NOAA.
imglorp•7h ago
It's another attack from within.
arm32•6h ago
So, Wednesday?
Applejinx•6h ago
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brokencode•6h ago
Just look at the wild abandon with which DOGE has gone about its cuts. They literally fired the experts who inspect our nuclear arsenal, then had to scramble to hire them back because you know.. it’s literally nuclear bombs we’re talking about.
imoverclocked•3h ago
Yeah, they have done things we would both deem as "dumb" but their internal motive is what decides whether or not they have a clue. Furthering our motives has nothing to do with that.
kingkawn•6h ago
babypuncher•6h ago
The billionaire class are bilking the country for every cent its worth, and when everything finally crumbles they will move to the next country with a stable middle class and start the process all over again.
They do not care about these consequences because they have enough resources at their disposal to protect themselves while everyone else suffers.
rjbwork•5h ago
consumer451•50m ago
This was once convenient propaganda for those who wanted lower taxes and less regulation of their businesses. Now the propaganda has been repeated for so long that many have forgotten it was propaganda, and believe that it is actually true.
As I grow older, it gets easier for me to accept that often the world is not a vast organized conspiracy, it's just really stupid. Though in current times, it appears to be both of those things at once.
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imglorp•5h ago
Most of the privates are just repackaging their feeds and data. So if you kill NOAA they will have to start almost from scratch.
dingnuts•5h ago
They're slower, harder to query, the documentation is worse, and they have less data available because the others buy data from private weather stations and re bundle it in addition to pre processing and repackaging the Federal data into better formats on your behalf
I say this as a NOAA lover; the government just isn't good at building APIs.
_heimdall•4h ago
I also think this chain of comments is a bit off the rails of my original point (maybe my fault). It honestly doesn't matter if there is pain to be felt by removing government services, we spend entirely too much money and any solution to that will hurt.
If we are only willing to remove spending that hurts little to no one we might as well throw in the towel already, we'll never cut spending with that as a gate.
Larrikin•6h ago
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_heimdall•4h ago
In this case we simply don't know what the market needs or market value of these services are because no one is incentivized to compete with the subsidized government program.
bearcobra•1h ago
chaorace•5h ago
It just so happens that weather is a phenomenon which affects all people and requires large, distributed, passive infrastructure to effectively manage. It's a classic case where the public option is bound to be more efficient in terms of absolute resource allocation.
On what basis do I assert that it's "bound" to be more efficient? Simple: weather affects the production, transportation, and logistics of virtually all goods. The costs of weather are therefore distributed equally across society regardless of government policy. Government is very good at delivering this specific type of centralized basic infrastructure in a cost-effective way (see also: roads), so if we're all paying for it together regardless this is a no-brainer policy.
appreciatorBus•6h ago
We commonly assume that a publicly owned service serves the public good by giving away the service for free, but this assumes the public's only role is as passive consumer, whose sole interest is seeing the price as low as possible, if not $0
However the public is also the owner and as owners of the service, we are arguably being taking advantage of by private interests who take the free data, only to turn around and create private value with it.
ViscountPenguin•6h ago
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rconti•6h ago
Would having to change APIs every 17 months as providers change their terms, constantly having to deal with breaking changes, etc, etc, etc be a "better deal"? There's an advantage in stability, and that's one thing governments typically provide. Yes, you can argue "a private provider could provide stability... for a fee". Which works great until it turns out even the fee isn't enough to keep them around. And you have to switch providers. Again.
Theodores•5h ago
In the USA it was the case that, if the taxpayer paid for it, then it was free. Meanwhile, in the UK, the Thatcher government decided that it would be best if government agencies earned their keep. As a consequence, in the UK, weather data became chargeable. This meant that there was no growth of third party applications that built on Met Office data.
This became a market distortion with TV weather, where the BBC had their data from the Met Office whereas ITV had to use American data, with a specialist broadcaster - The Weather Department - providing the video inserts. The Weather Department eventually came into competition with the Met Office providing their own video inserts, so the marketplace was uncompetitive yet 'competitive'.
Compare with the BBC online news, which does not have to pay for itself in the same way that the mainstream news organisations such as The Guardian, The Telegraph et al. have to either go for paywalls or a smorgasbord of adverts. It is essentially impossible to compete against the BBC for news eyeballs online in the UK due to this competition model.
With weather you need two independent supercomputer outfits that crunch the numbers and come up with forecast data. Why two (or more)? Because forecast models can be wrong in ways that human forecasters can understand and work with. If there are two 'sources of truth' then you can use your gut to go with which one feels right.
Vast supercomputer outfits cost lots of money and, until recently, only a government of considerable size could pay for such an investment. The investment isn't just in the computers, you need a constant stream of meteorologists that can work with the data, so that means one or more universities with the specialism. In the UK we have Reading, that is the best place to go to if you want to get into forecasting, for TV, the military, farming or aviation.
Free weather data is a public good and also 'soft power'. In Ireland they don't have their own weather supercomputers or universities that are renowned for producing expert weather forecasters, hence they need British or American help.
I also forgot the satellites, which is in another league of expense, but necessary for all kinds of observation data.
Observations are interesting as the reliance has historically been on airfields. We missed a chance to get mobile phone base stations reporting in to have vastly more data. Given the amount of money involved in mobile, when the governments sold off the spectrum they could have used the opportunity to insist on weather observation data being collected, in order to refine the model.
Sometimes you get a town next to a lake with a massive mountain behind it where the forecast will consistently be wrong due to how the modelling works and a lack of observation data to make corrections. There are many scenarios such as this and the mobile phone masts could have been used to fill the gaps.
If the UK provided free data (and the USA didn't) then we wouldn't talking about AccuWeather, it would be some British company that the world would be relying on for their apps. This British company would be modest in size but still providing good jobs and keeping graduates from Reading employed. In turn they would be working with people developing specialist apps, for example, weather for race courses and there would be much tax paid to government to make it worth their while, plus national prestige in having 'the best weather service' going.
Another example of a British mistake is the Ordnance Survey, purveyor of paid for maps. Nobody uses Ordnance Survey, it is always Google Maps, Apple Maps or OpenStreetMap. They get pennies from developers and architects that need the official Ordnance Survey maps but nothing from day to day usage, in effect they have lost out.
All these things need to be for the public good, paid for out of public taxation and a genuine free market of private enterprise fostered, otherwise nothing happens.
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TehCorwiz•5h ago
Can you imagine how things might be different if there was an additional group of people involved whose only goal is to siphon money out? Capitalism is predicated on the idea that the goal is to charge the most and deliver the least. In this case doing that would mean delays at best and death at worst. Weather is dangerous.
reaperducer•5h ago
There are plenty of private weather companies, and many private companies employ their own meteorologists and massive computers to generate their own forecasts. (Think agriculture, logistics, aviation, oil exploration.)
Not every company can afford a supercomputer. The NWS forecasts and data are valuable to every other person and company.
Also, the addition of NWS data makes everyone's weather forecasts better. Note how television hurricane forecasts don't show one model, but many models from many sources. All this again is in the interest of commerce, which drives tax revenue.
Alupis•6h ago
The amount of fearmongering and scaremongering in this thread is literally off the charts.
No, the weather service isn't being shut down... one private organization decides to charge for API access (you know, to make money) and immediately you folks go straight into sabotage and end-of-the-world conspiracy theories.
It took me all of 3 seconds to find several mentions to the big ooga-booga, "project 2025". The article is literally about a private organization and you folks go right into the conspiracies... it's exhausting.
At this point, I think I have to assume some of you actually enjoy being afraid. Some sort of coping mechanism for losing an election and not getting your way for 4 years...
Spooky23•5h ago
Alupis•5h ago
Get your weather data from NWS if you want... serving an API to anyone/everyone costs money, and AccuWeather apparently decided enough was enough. AccuWeather has no obligation to give you free resources. Same as Reddit, same as Twitter, same as so many companies before them.
Oh no, that's right. It must be a conspiracy to end the world!
Here's the actual NWS API[1], you know... the free one that's not going away nor is charging for access.
[1] https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-api
macintux•1h ago
Care to make a wager? I'll gladly/sadly wager $100 with some broker that the NWS weather data will no longer be freely available by July 1 2026.
sorcerer-mar•38m ago
jfengel•5h ago
And that this "private organization" is one of the supporters of "project 2025"?
This is not hidden. This is happening in public. And yes, the worst hasn't happened yet -- the government removing access to data that has long been free -- but if it does, would you agree that it is a bad thing?
If you think that the government should indeed do that, then this isn't a conspiracy theory; it's just saying out loud that this is a thing you're encouraging the government to do. If you think the government should not do that, then you should consider the evidence that it is in fact happening.
Alupis•5h ago
Yes, a private organization has decided to charge for access to their resources, aka their API.
What on earth does that have to do with the government and this boogey-man "project 2025"???
Step off your soap box for a moment and contemplate what you are saying. It's lunacy at it's finest...
Was it "project 2025" that made Reddit charge for their API access? What about Twitter? Booga-booga!
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throw0101b•6h ago
John Oliver did an episode on this during Trump 1.0:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8
* https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11110660/
* s06e26: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Last_Week_Tonight_with...
* https://old.reddit.com/r/television/comments/dhmo0c/weather_...
lelandfe•6h ago
throw0101b•6h ago
Highly recommend that book. Haven't gotten to his most recent Who Is Government?:
* https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/788713/who-is-govern...
But from the interviews it sounds interesting as well. Colbert interview from April 2025:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T30BF32qPgg
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_heimdall•6h ago
If our government were massively in debt and continuing to increase the deficit, maybe I'd understand wanting to consider weather report APIs as a public good worth funding with tax dollars. We should be cutting everything we can to avoid a complete train wreck though, why would this float to the top of the list?
inetknght•6h ago
It makes a lot more sense when you consider that certain people think that climate change isn't real while weather science supports the idea that the climate not only can change but is changing, and that humans are the cause of it.
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Eric_WVGG•6h ago
Second, it’s at the top because it’s a public good of obviously enormous value that a common shmuck can understand.
_heimdall•6h ago
jjulius•6h ago
... in providing a weather forecast?
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noboostforyou•6h ago
Accurate, scientific information to make informed decisions that can affect your safety and well-being. If you have to drive over a bridge or close to a body of water every day but you know there is a high chance of flooding tomorrow would you still travel to the same high risk area?
What do you think is the role of government? To improve the lives of its citizens should be up there, do you agree?
TheOtherHobbes•5h ago
A private service will provide a profitable service, which will be cut-down, nickel-and-dimed, and generally enshitified for profitability,
Financially, the relatively small cost of these public services makes a negligible contribution to taxes while providing huge national benefits.
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_heimdall•4h ago
While I agree this wouldn't make a meaningful dent in the deficit, every bit helps. Should we instead sit around until there's political will to take on the budget of the DoD, entitlements, and our debt's own interest payments?
mindslight•3h ago
Surely you can see that if you earnestly want to talk about principled shrinking of our government's debt burden, the first step is to oust the current regime so that such editorial decisions can be made with the intent of helping our country rather than as a movement to destroy us.
gxs•6h ago
There are so many things to clean up before you get to this
Given that, Idy pose the same question to you, why prioritize cutting this?
I would almost consider this public infrastructure and we should definitely keep it
_heimdall•6h ago
Balancing our budget is going to hurt like hell and everyone will bleed. That doesn't mean the answer is to say fuck it and keep racking up debt.
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monkeywork•6h ago
This is likely because you don't use the weather reports for anything of value/importance in your daily life - there are other professions / government departments / etc that DO use these reports and require them for safety reasons.
Just for a quick example anyone involved in aviation.
mystraline•5h ago
Weather provided realtime marine, atmospheric, and solar weather to better equip theatres of war and aid.
Without weather, soldiers conducting defense, offense, or aid operations have that much less intel on making decisions. The side effect is less climate change and national weather reporting.
If anything, the stripping down soft power, intelligence, science, and everything seems like a plan to turn us into a 3rd world kleptocratic kakistocracy. Then again, capitalism has went from innovation and creation, to extraction and worsening.
Maybe its time to let China take the reins and show what socialism can accomplish. If the videos on Xiao Hong Shu (rednote) are any indication, they're doing absolutely superbly.
aspenmayer•4h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanic_and_Atmospher...
Even their officers are not armed services, though they do receive a commission. I think you might be thinking of something that I haven’t seen or heard about, so please let me know if I am wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOAA_Commissioned_Officer_Corp...
bearcobra•5h ago
rurp•5h ago
Free weather data has massive positive externalities. Just like in so many other areas, this administration is destroying a common good to benefit a handful of private individuals.
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/as-trump-slashed-weath...
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cmiles74•6h ago
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/14/politics/noaa-nominee-accuwea...
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