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GPT might be an information virus (2023)

https://nonint.com/2023/03/09/gpt-might-be-an-information-virus/
57•3willows•3h ago

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hayden_dev•1h ago
"might"
anthk•1h ago
You are right. The web it's already rotten. There are tons of AI generated articles on supposed serious news sites. These will be worse over time.
DrammBA•55m ago
"2023"
andy99•1h ago
I think it is an information virus, but differently - it's homogenized everything, and made people dumber and lazier. It's poisoned public and professional discourse by reducing writing and thinking from the richness of humanity to one narrow style with a tiny latent space, and simultaneously convinced people that this is what good writing looks like. And it's erased thought from board classes of endeavor. This virus is much worse than the relatively benign symptoms described in the article.
crimsoneer•1h ago
This is how the church felt about the printing press.
XorNot•1h ago
Who is "the Church" in this analogy?
rolph•36m ago
refers to the gutenberg press, and mass production of printed works, threatening the siloed, ivory towers of knowledge at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printing_press#Gutenberg.27s_p...

if everyone has a bible, then who needs the church to tell you what it says.

brookst•30m ago
People who consider themselves exceptionally smart, who are well educated and write well, who only ever need to communicate in their native tongue ye, and who have the luxury of investing time in developing a personal writing style.

It is a good analogy. There is great concern that the unwashed masses won’t know how to handle this tool and will produce information today’s curators would not approve of.

andy99•9m ago
It's an extremely poor analogy, the original point is its an information virus telling people what to think (or thinking for them). It's the exact opposite of the allowing people to think for themselves that came with the enlightenment, it's back to the days of the "church" (someone else) telling people how to think and literally writing their words for them.
mensetmanusman•13m ago
This analogy is going places.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2•1h ago
Like most progress, it made some things easier ( and some things worse as a result ). What I do find particularly fascinating is that it is doing that even in professions that should know better ( lawyers, doctors ). That my boss uses it is no surprise me to. I always suspected he never really read my emails.
3willows•1h ago
Perhaps that is the real danger. Everyone except a small elite who (rightly) feel they understand how LLMs work would simply give up serious thinking and accept whatever "majority" opinion is in their little social media bubble. We wouldn't have the patience to really engage with genuinely different viewpoints any more.

I recall some Chinese language discussion about the experience of studying abroad in the Anglophone world in the early 20th century and the early 21st century. Paradoxically, even if you are a university student, it may now be harder to break out of the bubble and make friends with non-Chinese/East Asians than before. In the early 20th century, you'd probably be one of the few non-White students and had to break out of your comfort zone. Now if you are Chinese, there'd be people from a similar background virtually anywhere you study in the West, and it is almost unnatural to make a deliberate effort to break out of that.

3willows•58m ago
The point being: when you find someone who is tailoring all his/her/its attention to you and you alone, why bother talking to anyone else.
makk•14m ago
It hasn't homogenized everything. It's further exposed humans for who they are. Humans are the virus.
mensetmanusman•13m ago
(1999)
jvm___•11m ago
Agent Smith had it right when he was interviewing Morpheus in the Matrix.
kordlessagain•7m ago
People have always tended toward taking shortcuts. It's human nature. So saying "this technology makes people dumber or lazier" is tricky, because you first need a baseline: exactly how dumb or lazy were people before?

To quantify it, you'd need measurable changes. For example, if you showed that after widespread LLM adoption, standardized test scores dropped, people's vocabulary shrank significantly, or critical thinking abilities (measured through controlled tests) degraded, you'd have concrete evidence of increased "dumbness."

But here's the thing: tools, even the simplest ones, like college research papers, always have value depending on context. A student rewriting existing knowledge into clearer language has utility because they improve comprehension or provide easier access. It's still useful work.

Yes, by default, many LLM outputs sound similar because they're trained to optimize broad consensus of human writing. But it's trivially easy to give an LLM a distinct personality or style. You can have it write like Hemingway or Hunter S. Thompson. You can make it sound academic, folksy, sarcastic, or anything else you like. These traits demonstrably alter output style, information handling, and even the kind of logic or emotional nuance applied.

Thus, the argument that all LLM writing is homogeneous doesn't hold up. Rather, what's happening is people tend to use default or generic prompts, and therefore receive default or generic results. That's user choice, not a technological constraint.

In short: people were never uniformly smart or hardworking, so blaming LLMs entirely for declining intellectual rigor is oversimplified. The style complaint? Also overstated: LLMs can easily provide rich diversity if prompted correctly. It's all about how they're used, just like any other powerful tool in history, and just like my comment here.

anthk•1h ago
There are public sources of information such as a curated WIkipedia, open content from Kiwix, Gutenberg Math books and OpenStreetMap for maps. Better, you can download offline and curated version of these so anyone can have a working snapshot anytime. That's good to avoid future AI tamperings. As long as these as AI free, we are potentialy in the right direction.
boredatoms•1h ago
We can only trust a snapshot from pre AI years, eventually everything will be contaminated
brookst•29m ago
s/AI/internet
ayaros•1h ago
We're going to have to go in the opposite direction and rely on directories or lists of verified human-made/accurate content. It will be like the old days of yahoo and web-indexes all over again.
DaveZale•1h ago
A few years ago, some talk briefly circulated about local internet efforts, possibly run by public libraries.

Local news coverage has really suffered these past several years. Wouldn't it be great to see relevant local news emerge again, written by humans for humans?

That approach might be a good start. Use a cloud service that forbids AI bot scraping to protect copyright?

ayaros•1h ago
This doesn't seem to be structured differently than a standard-fare social media app. All the same issues with human verification on those apps would apply to this too.

Unless you mean a platform only for vetted local journalists...

righthand•55m ago
Tie the account to the Library Card and then you can open it up to anyone.
MPSimmons•43m ago
I had the thought the other day that one of the most valuable things a human-driven website could offer would be a webring linking to other human-driven websites
JKCalhoun•10m ago
I'm a fan of bringing back Web Rings.

Perhaps a site could kick off where people proposed sites for Web Rings, edited them. The sites in question could somehow adopt them — perhaps by directly pulling from the Web Ring site.

And while we're at it, no reason for the Web "Ring" not to occasionally branch, bifurcate, and even rejoin threads from time to time. It need not be a simple linked list who's tail points back to it's head.

Happy to mock something up if someone smarter than me can fill in the details.

4b11b4•1h ago
virus is a good way to think about the effect radius
resters•1h ago
It’s a method of storing information that makes it far more useful than previous methods.

Sure we can idealize feats of the human brain such as memorizing digits of pi. LLMs put more human behavior into the same category as memorizing digits of pi, and make the previously scarce “idea clay” available to the masses.

It’s not the same as a human brain or human knowledge but it is still a very useful tool just like the tools that let us do maths without memorizing hundreds of digits of pi.

aspenmayer•1h ago
Curious Yellow, anyone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasshouse_(novel)

> "Curious Yellow is a design study for a really scary worm: one that uses algorithms developed for peer-to-peer file sharing networks to intelligently distribute countermeasures and resist attempts to decontaminate the infected network".

Hat tip to HN user cstross (as I discovered the idea via Charlie’s blog):

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-archive/October_2002.ht...

These topics were first brought to my attention through his amazing novel Glasshouse. I’ve had the pleasure of having my first edition copy of the book signed by the author, and I then promptly loaned it indefinitely to a friend, who then misplaced it. The man himself is a friendly curmudgeon who I am happy to have met, and I have enjoyed reading about the future through his insights into the past and present.

Also I must acknowledge Brandon Wiley, who wrote the inspiration for Curious Yellow as far as I can tell.

https://blanu.net/curious_yellow.html

hnpolicestate•1h ago
The same thing could have been said about the computer in general and masses adopting the personal computer.

That's how I view LLM's now. They are what follows computers in the evolution of information technology.

androng•8m ago
i heard from an artist that Pinterest is full of AI-generated stuff now so artists looking for references have to go back to physical books for art references

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