"Don’t build your castle in other people’s kingdoms."
https://howtomarketagame.com/2021/11/01/dont-build-your-cast...
Facebook, instagram, uber, lyft, doordash, instacart, and hundreds of unicorn businesses are literally built on top of ecosystems that are controlled by 2 or 3 companies.
The only counter point I can think of is that you can always choose to build upon multiple tech platforms simultaneously, and depending on the technology you need, it might not even add all that much additional cost to do so.
Which is why we need regulation for those big players (gatekeepers as the EU has taken to calling them). If you're going to be so huge that you essentially operate your own market and economy, then you need to be regulated like one, and forced to play nice, interoperate, and not favor your own services.
But realistically , if Google and Apple both for whatever reason banned you from all their services, idk why, then you would not have access to a phone. So then you say, well, it was just one person in ten million, and they probably did something wrong-- and now you share the same perspective as Big Tech on this specific issue.
I am not convinced those businesses are good examples. Could they have redeployed elsewhere if they had to? Where they tied to one supplier? Did they have backups else where?
Most businesses and individuals do not have to take that risk and can avoid it.
The fallacy I hear often is that because something like AWS is sooo much more expensive than co-location or VPS, that it must be easier.
Yeah, it can be... sometimes. It almost never is. You trade off the complexity for new complexity. You replace your sysadmins with Dev Ops. It's not like it just magically gets better.
It's the same way with a lot of things. A more expensive car is not necessarily better. It can be, sometimes, if you're very careful and know what you're doing. More expensive clothes aren't better either. Popularity factors into this, too. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good. Plenty of really shitty things become popular.
You can absolutely build your application without relying on other companies too much. I'm not saying you need to go rogue, but you also don't need to use every single Google feature under the sun to, like, display some photos. And, if you do that, that's actually probably way worse and more expensive (effort + money) than if you didn't.
I know it sounds trite, but looking at what I'm responding to, it is not possible to not rely on others for anything but the most basic things where input(s), tool(s), action(s), and output(s) don't require anyone else. You need infrastructure, services, tools, materials provided by others for almost everything.
We are a highly networked species, and building a business is finding a spot in that network. You are always highly connected. Therefore I find that "kingdom" metaphor does not fit how our lives work. It's a network, not kingdoms, not even the richest country could afford to cut the connections.
Services like those from the big companies at least have the advantage that the companies cannot make them too bad, because that would backfire. Copying what most do is pretty safe compared to doing your own thing.
That's also because you want to concentrate on your core business idea. Sure, if you spend some effort doing your basic infrastructure different from others you may save a little, but overall for many companies it will be much better to copy what most others in your space do, so that you have the same basis, and not risk being different in an area that is far from your core competence.
For many areas in business you just hope for the best. You hope(d) Russia-Ukraine would not escalate, or later that it ends quickly. You hope that the latest US tariffs won't be too bad. The world is full of surprises, at least for businesses big company account access or cloud issues does not seem to be a big one, in comparison. I'm not saying this as a headline reader, but as someone dealing with a sanctioned country and other politics-related issues that have been impacting us for a while, despite doing business very far from anything critical (lifestyle consumer products).
We, for example, use one big company to host our DNS (due to history, they also used to host our emails when we began), but we have Microsoft host files (OneDrive) and Email (Office 365) for our entire business domain. I would like to not have to rely on US companies, nor more than ever (we are German), but that stuff just works. And not just as individual pieces, but also together. For example, when I open an Excel file stored in a shared OneDrive folder, and a colleague does the same, we get automatic shared editing and see each other's cursor position. Many small conveniences like that. AND, very important, emails just work - with rarely ever any issues because of rejected emails.
Whenever I see a discussion on reddit or here "why Microsoft (Office)", soooo many people only know the most superficial of arguments. They talk about "but LibreOffice", "but [insert other mail- or cloud file- service), but the apps are not even all that important. It is everything, the huge amount of infrastructure and methods they provide, automatically or manually usable, that ties everything together. The "glue" vastly outshines just Excel or just Word itself, either one of which could indeed be replaced.
When you do more than just simple email, when you have to administer a few dozen employees and their devices, you will find that the big US companies are very hard to beat.
What would be the alternative anyway? Having your own server is a nightmare in comparison! Even just making sure my emails won't be spam-rejected by at least some providers (where my customers and business partners sit) is too much. Making sure the dedicated server is always up to date with patches - that's a lot of work that I'd rather not do. In any case I still have to rely on the hosting provider, who may cut off my wonderful 100% self-owned and administered server at any time because I ended up on some anti-spam list because I did not react to some new threat that I did not even know about in time.
Overall, relying on the big mainstream providers is a prudent choice. You can't avoid trouble, and ceteris paribus choosing them IMHO makes sense.
> You can absolutely build your application without relying on other companies too much.
Obviously, since they do it! I could also bake my own bread. The point is I prefer to specialize and deal with things that don't differentiate me from others in my line of business as little as possible.
I started with computers at a time of 8 bit CPUs, when I knew every relevant memory address by heart. The many many layers these days are not something I enjoy, but I will still use the mainstream stuff nevertheless! Because I am not in the business of basic infrastructure IT and every minute I spend on it is a minute not spent where it actually matters in my business. Everybody, the few dozen employees, the partners, the customers(resellers, they all know the big companies and their products. The only thing we do ourselves is EDI messages on top - on cloud servers. But we sure don't want to come up with OneDrive and Ms Office alternatives, even if politically I'd like that.
The fallacy I'm trying to point out is that if you outsource some functionality to locked in vendor implementation, then your life is easier. It can be, but Its often not.
Yes, but as long as you can blame it on somebody else, it is fine. /s
No it is not
It is often difficult and expensive, relative to letting Facebook (or the like) do the hosting.
But VPSs are a thing, you can run almost any software on them.
Stretching the analogy: Build your castle on your own bedrock, and build "forts", or "outposts", on the enemy territory
Ignoring Facebook et. el. is stupid, but depending on them is fool hardy
No it is not. It is only the greed for bigger profits. If a company can work with Microsoft, it can also work with LibreOffice. But LibreOffice doesn't promise them the moon, while sucking every cent out of them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSProgramming/comments/1h48tkz/app...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38394364
https://medium.com/@thedarkhacker94/apple-has-terminated-my-...
But this guy was completely blocked. It's VERY different when you lose access to everything and can't even contact support
> Microsoft has banned LibreOffice developer, Mike Kaganski, from using its services
I acknowledge that the cases are different.
Requiring an online ID to log into a local computer creates all sorts of vulnerabilities. When Microsoft gets hacked again, it can let hackers lock you out of your computer. It's basically ransomware-in-waiting.
Are we supposed to have been beaten down to the point that none of this is a story? Granted, it is only one side of the story. We have no idea what other things this account has done.
Having a bad support experience is not being "beaten down". Talk about hyperbolic. If this is a systemic issue, that could be a story. But why isn't my grandmother's bad experience at Costco story? My friend had to call his ISP to sort a billing mistake. Is that a story now too?
But sure, you go right ahead and just roll over and take shitty service and then go ahead and add a tip too while you at it. The rest of will continue to make noise and call a spade a spade. Some of us might even tell them emperor he has no clothes on
When hundreds or thousands of companies live and die by your platform, you can't just close accounts arbitrarily.
Either that or you get split up for monopoly. Take your pick, but this shit doesn't work
2) I cannot prove that this (opaque) process has been retrofitted to use LLM's in its decision making, but I would not be the slightest bit surprised. Neural networks are, intrinsically, even more opaque than the processes they replace.
3) Using Big Tech as a place to backup your work/files/etc. is fine, as long as you have a local copy, and sometimes you have no choice but to deal with them. However, any time you're dealing with Big Tech, even if they have no particular animus towards you, they may suddenly be unavailable (to you) without explanation, for an extended period of time. Plan (as best you can) accordingly.
I could agree with the beginning of that but not the classification of a misfire. A misfire implies a brief, exceptional occurrence and neither of those adjectives seem likely here.
That's based on a few years spent in Microsoft's forever-shuffling admin carousel (EAC, Exch Migration, Intune, Azure hydra, 365/Copilot-all-the-things). Thru that, I have come to believe that incompetence is almost always the right answer for MS-generated woes.
Google is similarly notorious for brining businesses to a halt and only fixing the issue when it makes the news and a human at Google finally sees it.
this risk goes for any 3rd party, at least the ones that follow sanctions compliance or suspicious activity monitoring. if your name shows up on a denied party list, it's illegal for anyone to tell you why they arent talking to you anymore.
I just fall on general malice here too instead of specific malice.
That said, I should better automate my project backups... I also need to get my backup (redundant) NAS at a friends house (vpn) so that I can have an extra level of safety.
Hell, even Microsoft (on the enterprise side of 365) says do not treat their services as a backup.
But we do need to get stricter about the messaging these companies are allowed to put out there regarding their services. Microsoft with one side of their mouth says 365 is definitively not a backup, and then turns around and advertises OneDrive on Windows as a backup with the "back up your folders now" notification.
To consumers that don't know any better, it's misleading and leads to a false sense of security, though I suspect "this service is not a backup and you can lose your account and all your files at anytime" doesn't sell as many subscriptions.
I knew that if I didn't do that, the same thing would some day happen to me.
How many times do we as a community have to get bit by Microsoft before we learn?
GitHub (and GitHub accounts) do not seem to have this problem as near as I can tell. For better or worse, I've found that reporting spammers and bad faith actors is a largely a pointless exercise as it will all go in a black hole.
Mike doesn't make this claim in the original source: https://mikekaganski.wordpress.com/2025/07/25/microsoft-anyb...
Hotmail/outlook support isn't great (I've had a similar challenge but it was eventually resolved), google support is worse (a similar challenge, eventually denied).
I figured it was something that Microsoft would soon fix, as it was such an obvious cluster; I'm surprised the issue still exists.
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southernplaces7•6mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44720103
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44705240
There have been many, many other examples over recent years. Anyone making any claim to the superiority of the EU regulation state in how it respects digital rights for individuals is full of shit or sheerly ignorant.
thewebguyd•6mo ago
The EU is a huge organization and too often the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing.
But, the EU isn't alone in curbing digital rights for individuals, it's a worrying trend all over the world even over here in the states, with congress introducing a bill of our own along the same lines (Kids Online Safety Act) - we'll see if it goes anywhere, but the overton window is shifting to being in favor of regulation like this, unfortunately.
Authoritarianism is on the rise everywhere, and rapidly.
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Spivak•6mo ago
You can really feel the "big tent" nature of the GOP when these bills are being pushed despite being absolutely abhorrent to large swaths of Republican voters.
frumplestlatz•6mo ago
The constitutionality of the current laws was upheld on the basis of treating age verification for access to porn as an incidental burden, and thus warranted only intermediate scrutiny.
My (naïve?) hope is that any future mission creep will be rejected by the Supreme Court under strict scrutiny, especially as it extends into general and political speech.
However, once you have the legal and technical frameworks in place, mission creep is almost inevitable, and it could easily take years of litigation to resolve.
“Think of the children” has always been the thin end of a wedge used by those looking to incrementally dismantle inconvenient civil liberties.
All that said, we’re in a much better position in the US under the first amendment. The UK’s “online safety bill” is already targeting a myriad of forms of political speech, and is just the latest example of the significant shift towards the curtailment of free speech across Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
dgfitz•6mo ago
But yeah, keep railing against the GOP.
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dgfitz•6mo ago
I’m just so tired of “fuck the GOP” when, as you say, it was inevitable. People love to hate a villain, I get it. “It was Hilarys turn, we will just keep marching forward” really didn’t work out. This GOP narrative is basically screaming into a mirror. Not your GOP narrative, not picking on you. Just frustrated.
wonderwonder•6mo ago
We have left leaning main stream media organizations implying that a jeans commercial is a nazi rallying cry because it features a white woman. I just cant vote how I used to vote and look my young sons in the eye. The Dem party is gone.
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wonderwonder•6mo ago
I completely understand and empathize with why some people are upset or even dismayed at what he’s doing though; i just think it’s necessary.
frumplestlatz•6mo ago
When you consistently deride and undermine a demographic, they see what you’re doing, and don’t like you very much for doing it.
wonderwonder•6mo ago
I've always been a Dem and was right up until Biden's term. I've never seen anything like it. Maybe I was just blind to the creep before that. First time I noticed it was the DEI training at work. I did not like that at all. I'll never vote Dem again, the risk to my kids is just to great. So to the right we will go.
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graemep•6mo ago
The UK's Online Safety Act's main effect is to strengthen big tech and protect them from competition, and make self hosing prohibitively expensive for many.
European governments will talk about digital sovereignty but will do nothing that involved actually spending money, or regulating the private sector or anything actually effective.
pjmlp•6mo ago
And everything on European goverments being available as FOSS OS friendly, not Windows/macOS/iOS/Android only.