> On his way out, he said that CEO Sadarangani urged him against exercising his stock options — options that will now, barring changes to the current deal, be worth nothing. “I always assumed they would do the right thing,” Dalla said.
Wouldn't the options also be worth nothing now? So by not exercising them at least the exercise money was spared?
I think this article was written by someone with lots of outrage and little actual understanding.
It sounds like you don't agree.
so, it's not really well-defined to ask whether or not a coffee shop "should" be taking sides, it will take one in all situations. it is a (slightly) more tractable question to ask "how should a coffee shop take a side?" Given how difficult this question is to answer still, I like to answer it with, "doing good is generally aligned with the long-term profit-motive."
this is also why boycotts are actually useful! though collective action, you can align the profit-motive with "good" clearly. this makes it easier for a coffee shop to move in-line.
Coffee production by itself is already mired in geopolitics.
And as a customer, where we spend our money matters. It’s often the only voice we have.
Take a look at Black Rifle Coffee Company. Their brand attracts a certain type of customer. It’s a market differentiator.
> At the end of 2023, five employees were sent home from the Gilman Street location for wearing Pro-Palestine pins. Despite asking for a written statement from management about why the pins were not allowed, the employees never received any information from management. The employees were sent home and the entire staff unionized.
While I think that your choice in coffee shop has little to no effect on the actual Palestinian country or people, you can always try going local instead of supporting these multi million dollar chains.
With investments they were able to furnish nice locations pretty well. Better than many normal franchises.
But perhaps that was overshooting and they will be brought back to financial reality by the PE firm —they’ll try to make it turn a profit at the expense of employees and customers but then again maybe it was existing on borrowed time (money).
At least, so far, it’s a slightly better story than the ice cream shop that grew too fast and then had a complete meltdown from the financial burden.
I mean, look at Meta. The stock you can actually buy through your broker is not actually a stock that can control the company, so in a very real sense it's not a "share" in Meta. Zuck controls nearly all the "preferred" shares that have supervoting privileges, so he can operate it as though it's essentially a private firm. The board, which in a conventional public company could exercise control over the CEO, has no ability to remove him.
This is similar to how different credit risks get assigned different interest rates.
Companies failing (or close enough to failing that they restructure and wipe out common) is not uncommon in start-ups. If you want a more or less sure thing, you'll have to work at a more or less sure employer, and the risk/reward will be different.
Now, whether those who exercised their Philz options and paid for the shares, were really aware in what they were doing -- I don't know! But there doesn't seem to be anything explicitly sinister about the way this was set up, or went down -- simply, the business didn't do well enough. Which is too bad, because I think their coffee is actually good.
If an investor gives you a million dollars for a piece of your company, and you turn around and sell the company for a million dollars, then the investor gets their million dollars back and you get nothing. Obviously. Any other outcome would be shenanigans.
Under standard deal terms investors get 1x, i.e. their money back. That's all.
I'm curious about this, as it sets off a little alarm in my head. Is this a legal thing for the CEO to do?
For other Tesora addicts, the house brand Italian roast at Safeway/Von's is very similar and a lot cheaper.
I can't imagine what changes are coming. Probably Son of Philz AItalian Roast.
It was fun and flavorful.
deepsun•6mo ago
How is this even legal?
stagger87•6mo ago
Coupled with what sounds like an already bad financial state of the company... I'm not claiming no foul play, but it looks like there is a reasonable avenue for what is happening.
ryandrake•6mo ago
> Philz board members, which include former CEO Phil Jaber and his son, Jacob Jaber; representatives from investment firms Summit Partners and TPG Growth; and CEO Mahesh Sadarangani will receive payouts or bonuses from the deal.
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bruce511•6mo ago
Unfortunately employees getting or buying shares from their employer have little to no investment skills. Yes, it's possible for these shares to be worth something, but if the company fails, they're last in line.
It behooves tech staff, who think the road to glory is paved in stock options to get professional financial and legal (not to mention tax) advice.
Or just consider all stock offerings to be worthless. The times it isn't are a rounding error.
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smcin•6mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44640343
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bruce511•6mo ago
Congrats on the check. But I think you approached it in the right way. Assume they're worth nothing until proved wrong.
CommieBobDole•6mo ago
I don't know how you can buy a company without buying its stock from the shareholders, given that they are the owners of the company, but there must be some special circumstance that's not mentioned in the article.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_stripping
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"Business liquidation involves selling off a company’s assets, such as equipment, inventory, and real estate, and using the proceeds to pay off debts and obligations. This process usually occurs when a business is no longer profitable, facing insurmountable financial challenges, or the owner decides to retire or pursue other opportunities."
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