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AGI is not coming [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkAH7-u7t5k
16•randomgermanguy•1h ago

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bpodgursky•53m ago
It is critical to remember that there is a market for people who say "AGI is not coming"

It doesn't matter whether they are lying. People want to hear it. It's comforting. So the market fills the void, and people get views and money for saying it.

Don't use the fact that people are saying it, as evidence that it is true.

righthand•43m ago
Waiting for Agi-dot…

The inverse can be true too: Just because people ARE saying that Agi is coming, isn’t evidence that it is true.

bpodgursky•37m ago
OK, but your null hypothesis should always be a first or second degree linear projection.

"AI is getting better rapidly" is the current state of affairs. Arguing "AI is about to stop getting better" is the argument that requires strong evidence.

camillomiller•34m ago
Compare Altman outlandish claims about GPT-5 and the reality of this update. Do you think they square out in any reasonable way?
bpodgursky•27m ago
Please, please seriously think back to your 2020 self, and think about whether your 2020 self would be surprised by what AI can do today.

You've frog-boiled yourself into timelines where "No WORLD SHAKING AI launches in the past 4 months" means "AI is frozen". In 4 months, you will be shocked if AI doesn't have a major improvement every 2 months. In 6 months, you will be shocked if it doesn't have a major update ever 1 month.

It's hard to see exponential curves while you're on it, I'm not trying to fault you here. But it's really important to stretch yourself to try.

backpackviolet•19m ago
I’m still surprised by what AI can do. It’s amazing. … but I still have to double check when it’s important that I get the right answer, I still have to review the code it writes, and I still am not sure there is actually enough business to cover what it will actually cost to run when it needs to pay for itself.
th0ma5•19m ago
To be honest, I had the right idea back then... This technology has fundamental qualities that require it to provide inaccurate token predictions that are only statistically probable. They aren't even trying to change this situation other than trying to find more data to train, saying you have to keep adding layers of them, or are saying it is the user's responsibility.

There's been the obvious notion that digitizing the world's information is not enough and that hasn't changed.

righthand•5m ago
What if I’ve not been impressed by giving a bunch of people a spam bot tuned to education materials? Am I frog boiled? Who cares about the actual advancement of this singular component if I was never impressed.

You assume everyone is “impressed”.

backpackviolet•23m ago
> "AI is getting better rapidly"

… is it? I hear people saying that. I see “improvement”: the art generally has the right number of fingers more often, the text looks like text, the code agents don’t write stuff that even the linter says is wrong.

But I still see the wrong number of fingers sometimes. I still see the chat bots count the wrong number of letters in a word. I still see agents invent libraries that don’t exist.

I don’t know what “rapid” is supposed to mean here. It feels like Achilles and the Tortoise and also has the energy costs of a nation-state.

righthand•2m ago
Agreed there really isn’t any metrics that indicate this is true. Considering many models are still too complex to run locally. Llms are getting better for the corporations that sell access to them. Not necessarily for the people that use them.
righthand•7m ago
“AI is getting better rapidly” is a false premise. As AI is a large domain. There is no way to quanitify the better as compared to the entire domain. “Llms are improving rapidly during a short period of time where they gain popularity” is more accurate.

Llms getting better != a path to AGI.

SalmoShalazar•42m ago
One could flip your post to say “AGI is coming” and be claiming the opposite, and it would be equally lacking insight. This is not “critical” to remember.

There are interesting and well thought out arguments for why the AGI is not coming with the current state of technology, dismissing those arguments as propaganda/clickbait is not warranted. Yannic is also an AI professional and expert, not one to be offhandedly dismissed because you don’t like the messaging.

TheCraiggers•25m ago
I doing think that's fair to the person you replied to. At no time did they say they didn't like/dislike the message. Merely that there's a market for it, and thus, people may be biased.

Telling us all to remember that there's potential for bias isn't so bad. It's a hot button issue.

TheOtherHobbes•38m ago
You can remove the "not" and everything you wrote is just as true. If not more so.

It's not the AGI sceptics who are getting $500bn valuations.

camillomiller•36m ago
By this measure, considering the current capex all over the board, there is a lot more incentive in pushing the “AGI IS NEAR AND WE AINT READY” narrative than the opposite. If AGI won’t come, as it’s highly probable, these companies are bust for billions and billions…
good_stuffs•14m ago
Nobody even knows what AGI even is. This will most likely be defined by a corporation, not science. Due to obvious incentives.
vlan121•25m ago
The goal of economic is not to reach AGI. It would solve the problems we have with the current market, therefore would it make less money, then to just "chase" for the AGI. Shirky principle in a nutshell.
rationalpath•23m ago
Feels like we’re all just betting on the biggest “what if” in history.
chuckadams•23m ago
I think the only thing faster than the expansion of the universe is the speed at which the goalposts get moved anytime someone tries to evaluate whether "true" AI exists or not.
rossdavidh•14m ago
On the one hand, that isn't necessarily a problem. It can be just a useful algorithm for tool calling or whatever.

On the other hand, if you're telling your investors that AGI is about two years away, then you can only do that for a few years. Rumor has it that such claims were made? Hopefully no big investors actually believed that.

The real question to be asking is, based on current applications of LLMs, can one pay for the hardware to sustain it? The comparison to smartphones is apt; by the time we got to the "Samsung Galaxy" phase, where only incremental improvements were coming, the industry was making a profit on each phone sold. Are any of the big LLMs actually profitable yet? And if they are, do they have any way to keep the DeepSeeks of the world from taking it away?

What happens if you built your business on a service that turns out to be hugely expensive to run and not profitable?

mmphosis•14m ago
mayhaps a prediction by an Artificial General Intelligence that is already here
maxhille•1m ago
I mean there are different definitions on what to call an AGI. Most of the time people don't specify which one they use.

For me an AGI would mean truly at least human level as in "this clearly has a consciousness paired with knowledge", a.k.a. a person. In that case, what do the investors expect? Some sort of slave market of virtual people to exploit?

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