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Fight Chat Control

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
142•tokai•2h ago

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isoprophlex•33m ago
God fucking damn it not again

This is, what, the fifth time in ten years they try to pass shit like this?

ath3nd•31m ago
They generally don't and won't stop until there are real repercussions for that, like losing your political career/being canceled in society over voting for it.
mantas•25m ago
The problem is people behind the curtains will just pick another figure head. And we can’t even get the names who want to get rid of privacy. Since names of people pushing it were redacted for their privacy :D
morkalork•10m ago
When the people orchestrating something like this can hide behind a veil of anonymity as well as bestow exemptions from monitoring upon the political class, it looks deeply wrong and conspiracy worthy. :D indeed.
9dev•29m ago
They only need to succeed one time. People are generally preoccupied with a lot of other things right now, so maybe this is their lucky shot…
isoprophlex•15m ago
Like a fucking sexual predator. Heyyyyyy, want me to grope you today? No? Don't worry, I'll be back to harass you again tomorrow!
zubspace•7m ago
It's a shitty system, if one side just needs to succeed one time while the other side needs to succeed over and over again.

What really should be done is to disallow proposals, which are kinda the same. Once a mass surveillance proposal like this is defeated, it shouldn't be allowed to be constantly rebranded and reintroduced. We need a firewall in our legislative process that automatically rejects any future attempts at scanning private communications.

mantas•27m ago
As Juncker, ex president of European Commision said, you keep trying till it passes at some point. Good luck revoking it later…
uncircle•22m ago
Ah, the marvels of modern democracy. No serious way to enact change, politicians still do whatever the hell they want, and we still believe that voting for someone else will change things.

It’ll soon be like the UK, that if you campaign against this kinda stuff, the party in power publicly calls you a paedophile. Because only people with something to hide want privacy.

Privacy is a losing proposition. Governments have the perfect trojan horse (child safety) so it’s only a matter of time before massive surveillance is the norm.

croes•13m ago
People don’t want change.

If really someone gets the power who wants to change things they fight them too.

People want that everything stays the same. Problem is climate change and other problems make change inevitable.

calvinmorrison•11m ago
it effects lots of organizations. the left contingent of the PCUSA basically did the same for a decade to change rules. When they finally got the language passed it caused a large rift.

The difference is that one is not obligated to be part of a presbytery and can leave. The presbytery doesn't have guns.

charcircuit•12m ago
You can keep trying to revoke it until it passes too.
cobbzilla•19m ago
Is Europe sliding into feudalism? The impression is that the government/megacorp complex are the lords, everyone else should accept their place as a serf and do whatever they’re told.
croes•18m ago
Where is the difference to the US, China or the UK?

Governments often try that kind of nonsense. Usually against organized crime, terrorism, child abuse.

But in the end it’s just used for the heavy crimes like copyright infringement

cobbzilla•15m ago
The US, at least, has a Bill of Rights that would make this illegal, it would definitely violate the 4th Amendment and maybe the 1st too.
Nifty3929•12m ago
I hope you're right.
cobbzilla•8m ago
That said, it’s not all roses in the US. There are many backdoors the government uses like issuing subpoenas to tech companies to get their data. Sometimes (like the notorious NSLs, National Security Letters) the order is secret and the company can’t even talk about it. This is also why the Snowden revelations were significant— arguably what the NSA is doing (mass, untargeted surveillance) is illegal, but so far (iirc) courts have said nobody has standing to challenge it. Various groups are still trying.
lawn•5m ago
The administration and the people will just shrug and move on, like they've done with all the other crap they've shrugged at.
croes•4m ago
The EU countries also have constitutions with laws that make that illegal.

Still they try because there is always an exception that allows breaking those laws.

Chat control isn’t something the EU invented, they tried to implement CSAM in Apple devices and the whole chat control thing in the EU was heavily lobbied by Thorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization)

ronsor•14m ago
The UK is politically, culturally, and geographically close to Europe.

China has always been authoritarian (and hyper-centralized).

The US is working hard to copy bad ideas from authoritarians, but can't do it in exactly the same way, otherwise the ability to criticize the EU, UK, and China is lost.

pmlnr•7m ago
> The UK is politically,

Europe generally has constitutions, and not precedence laws, which is a massive difference.

> culturally

Debatable. As a Hungarian, living in the UK.

> and geographically close to Europe

This one is true.

rrr_oh_man•6m ago
> The UK is politically, culturally, and geographically close to Europe.

Closer than to the US?

I'm not sure about the first two. The latter is also debatable, at least from the UK's point of view. Ireland feels closer to Europe than the UK does.

grunder_advice•6m ago
Europe never abandoned the elitist mindset of a ruling elite lording it over the masses.
Disposal8433•18m ago
I'm French and every idiot supports it, even the so-called left. There is nothing I can do except donate money every month to GrapheneOS (https://grapheneos.org/donate). Democracy is dead for me.
tatjam•5m ago
Looking at the supporting members, this appears to be supported by "both parties" across many many countries, what a sad thing to unite over...
dabber21•4m ago
what are the arguments?
f_devd•1m ago
If you're just looking at the website, do note that most (if not all) people are unconfirmed but show "supports" due to the country position (hover over the pill/flag).
Centigonal•5m ago
In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter our behavior. In the EU, there are these initiatives to surveil us in the name of safety.

Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another?

rdm_blackhole•4m ago
This is the kind of shit that makes my blood boil. Privacy for thee not for me. The EU is not worth saving if this this is the kind of crap they pull. Fuck all the politicians behind this!

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