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Upcoming end of support for Nest Learning Thermostats (first and 2nd gen)

https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/16233096?hl=en
1•doctorhandshake•5m ago•0 comments

Embryo selection: what we talk about when we talk about risk

https://theinfinitesimal.substack.com/p/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about
1•tptacek•8m ago•0 comments

What it means to be 'culturally' Irish in 2025 is complicated

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgln9y13x3yo
2•pepys•8m ago•0 comments

New blood tests offer earlier and more accurate heart disease detection

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/breakthrough-blood-test-offers-earlier-and-more-accurate-heart-disease-detection/
1•brandonb•8m ago•0 comments

1984 CES Booth Re-Creation with Dale Luck Amiga/40 [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0NvJ8IhNG4
1•doener•10m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Anyone working remotely for a US company internationally from Africa?

2•navicstein•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Install subagents for Claude Code with npx

https://io7.dev/
1•mbm•13m ago•0 comments

What It's Like to Brainstorm with a Bot

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/what-its-like-to-brainstorm-with-a-bot
1•mitchbob•15m ago•1 comments

Doomprompting Is the New Doomscrolling

https://www.workingtheorys.com/p/doomprompting
1•jger15•17m ago•0 comments

1910: The year the modern world lost its mind

https://www.derekthompson.org/p/1910-the-year-the-modern-world-lost
18•purgator•18m ago•1 comments

Ask HN: Why do AIs include obvious, easily removed tells that can get you fired?

2•amichail•18m ago•3 comments

RetroVisor for macOS: Experience the nostalgic appearance of CRT displays

https://dirkwhoffmann.github.io/RetroVisor/
3•doener•20m ago•0 comments

Does anyone know a detailed residential cost estimator

2•morpheos137•23m ago•0 comments

Comparing baseball greats across eras, who comes out on top?

https://phys.org/news/2025-07-baseball-greats-eras.html
2•PaulHoule•24m ago•0 comments

Programming languages and dimensions of units of measure

https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/techreports/UCAM-CL-TR-391.html
3•fanf2•24m ago•0 comments

Built a monitoring tool – what do you think?

https://pageradar.io
2•samirbelabbes•28m ago•1 comments

Knowledge Tagging with Large Language Model Based Multi-Agent System

https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.08406
1•beepill•30m ago•0 comments

Guide to Implementing a GraphRAG Workflow with FalkorDB, LangChain and LangGraph

https://www.falkordb.com/blog/graphrag-workflow-falkordb-langchain/
1•eamag•30m ago•0 comments

One Million Screenshots

https://onemillionscreenshots.com/?q=random
20•gaws•36m ago•1 comments

PDS MOOver for AT Protocol

https://pdsmoover.com/
2•Kye•37m ago•0 comments

Why Remote Managers Burn Out Without Knowing It

https://medium.com/engineering-managers-journal/why-remote-managers-burn-out-without-knowing-it-4e6433985b19
3•kiyanwang•38m ago•0 comments

UK Tax Contribution Calculator

https://dzznc3pwrb9z7.cloudfront.net/
2•nickstan•42m ago•0 comments

Botox and the Beast: Camel beauty enhancements are big business in Saudi Arabia

https://nautil.us/botox-and-the-beast-1228912/
1•marojejian•44m ago•0 comments

Events

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn_web_development/Core/Scripting/Events
6•aanthonymax•44m ago•3 comments

Groundwater is drying out, heating up, and causing sea level rise

https://grist.org/science/groundwater-depletion-study-sea-level-rise/
5•rntn•45m ago•0 comments

Yep, GPT-5 is a reliable source of information

https://www.universalhub.com/2025/yep-ai-totally-reliable-source-information
1•ilamont•45m ago•0 comments

Casio MRG-B5000HT-1

https://www.casio.com/intl/watches/gshock/product.MRG-B5000HT-1/
2•simonebrunozzi•50m ago•0 comments

Bridging vs. Cross-Posting

https://blog.anew.social/bridging-vs-cross-posting/
2•janandonly•50m ago•0 comments

In Japan, a Visit to the Casio G-Shock Factory

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/fashion/watches-casio-gshock-japan.html
2•simonebrunozzi•51m ago•1 comments

Show HN: SnapTime – Simple Time Tracking. Powerful Features

https://www.snaptime.tools/en
1•jirithecreator•51m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

South Korea's military has shrunk by 20% in six years as male population drops

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/south-koreas-military-has-shrunk-20-in-six-years-male-population-drops-5287301
34•eagleislandsong•2h ago

Comments

rr808•1h ago
Its always amazing to me that South Korea is economically and politically much more successful and in that result it "won" the cold war of the last 50 years with its Northern counterpart. But its population is going to disappear so not much of a victory.
fwsgonzo•1h ago
Yeah, I'm watching people walk around in SK and JP and I really want to visit one day. One day before it's too late. Both countries will evaporate.
mytailorisrich•1h ago
Japan's population was 44 million in 1900, it is 123 million now.

South Korea's population was 25 million in 1960, it is 54 million now.

We need to stop going over the top with claims of "population collapse". The 20th century to this day was abnormal at historical scale in that human population exploded like never before, and perhaps like never again and probably for the best considering how we have brought the planet to its knees.

derektank•1h ago
South Korea's birth rate is 0.7, which means for every 100 grandparents there will be only 12 grandchildren if things don't change. At the current pace, the South Korean population will be 32 million in 2075 and 11 million in 2125, and most of the people alive will be old. That's nearly as massive a change in the opposite direction as the drop in childhood mortality in the 20th century.
mytailorisrich•1h ago
Extrapolations over a century into the future are worthless.

We need to embrace and adapt to a decrease in population because the explosion that has happened is unsustainable and so are current global population levels. That's the best, if not only, way to both get rid of poverty globally and to preserve the climate and environment.

This does not mean that population should or will collapse to extra low levels...

thisislife2•1h ago
You miss the point - a larger population isn't necessarily good if most of them are not economically productive (i.e. don't have skilled working class). Are people supposed to work even in their old age, till they die?
notTooFarGone•43m ago
Please do the math. We will likely see the collapse of SK. There will be less working people than people in their retirement.

We don't know how a society can work that way as it's a first time.

general1726•37m ago
Well the problem is people in retirement, caring only about size of their pension outnumbering working age people and effectively creating positive feedback for populist parties to constantly increase pensions despite the constantly shrinking working population and tax revenue.

This system can't work. This system is going to collapse. Just matter of time.

xboxnolifes•1h ago
Neither country will evaporate in your lifetime.
dyauspitr•25m ago
There are people born today that will see it evaporate.
dijit•1h ago
If you follow much of the USSR, you’d be aware that the nations surrounding Russia were the most heavily invested in, at least those that were front facing.

Estonia for example had quite a lot of investment, you’d be surprised what a regime will invest in to ensure that the optics are positive.

Not saying that happened here, but it is something that has happened.

rr808•1h ago
Sorry which regime? You mean the USA put money into Estonia and SK?
dijit•1h ago
Russia put money into Estonia.

USA/EU might be putting money into SK.

Both to “prove to the other side” that their ideology is the right one.

rr808•1h ago
OK sorry yes that makes sense. Berlin too both side lavished funds to make them look better.
manuel_w•1h ago
I'm not sure I understand. Estonia invested a lot? In what? Military? So the optics are positive?
dijit•1h ago
Estonia was part of the USSR, and the USSR put a lot of money into Estonia to make communism look like it was working. At the expense of other parts of the USSR.
MaxHoppersGhost•1h ago
Same thing is happening to most counties in Europe but they’re “fixing it” with immigrants. But the Germany filled with Germans will be disappearing just as South Korea is.
jennyholzer•1h ago
is this not literally a german nazi talking point
wincy•1h ago
If a Nazi says the sky is blue is that something we should also reject outright?
justonceokay•22m ago
No but nazis have a way of presenting facts that are only relevant if you are concerned primarily with racial purity. Is Germany’s population growing because of immigrants, or is germanys “heritage” disappearing because of white replacement?

If a man is hospitalized because he is having paranoid delusions about his wife cheating on him, he is still sick even if his suspicions are true.

dns_snek•11m ago
This is the opposite of what you probably wanted to say, but if the man's wife is cheating on him then he's not experiencing paranoid delusions, so hospitalizing him and calling him sick would be a form of abusive crazy-making behavior in and of itself.
abstractbeliefs•1h ago
It's a statement of fact, which is neutral on its own.

Where it becomes a right wing talking point (or a discussion about the socio-economic future of a country) broadly comes down to how you present the causes, implications, and necessary actions.

The fact that many more-developed countries having shrinking native populations is a fact that governments must reckon with in some way, and salting the earth on discussing because one faction is trying to exploit it cedes the ultimate policy decisions to them.

AlotOfReading•50m ago
It's neither neutral nor a statement of fact. Look at the grandparent comment:

    But the Germany filled with Germans will be disappearing...
This makes a lot of deeply political assumptions about what a "german" is and whether an immigrant can be (or become) one. I'm not here to comment on whether these assumptions are correct and they're certainly common ones, but embedded political assumptions simply aren't neutral or factual.
tjs8rj•1h ago
“A culture evaporating cannot be discussed and addressed because genocidal dictator multiple generations ago had adjacent motivations when he killed a bunch of people”

The problem with Hitler wasn’t that he wanted German people to be successful, it was his proposed solution that involved mass murder between genocide and global war.

This is a problem that requires thinking beyond lazy pattern matching

xboxnolifes•1h ago
The Nazi problem is/was not them saying "there are a lot of immigrants". It was the "solutions" they proposed.
johnnyanmac•1h ago
They'll do anything but pay their workers, and not overwork them. Almost like when you need to use 80% of your paycheck to pay rent that people can't think much farther than next month.
wagwang•1h ago
No don't you see, we just need more migrants to be a permanent underclass to do our labor
HPsquared•1h ago
"We" being the actual decision-makers, the owners. The class who wants GDP to go up, but doesn't care about GDP per capita.

Edit: I'm undecided if it's capitalist ownership class, or a "late stage socialism running out of other people's money". Still undecided. It's probably both, which is why we're doomed.

wagwang•1h ago
The liberal order(consensus between both sides) of the past 50 years have decided that GDP is the only thing that matters and we should trade everything for it.
tomp•1h ago
German salaries are not bad, nor amazing.

I actually think they pay their workers too much though - for not working.

I think standard unemployment on full salary is 2 years, even if you quit your job yourself!

Generous benefits invite abuse…

nielsole•1h ago
> I think standard unemployment on full salary is 2 years, even if you quit your job yourself!

I think three of these claims are wrong

https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/arbeitslos-arbeit-finden/arbei...

oezi•9m ago
Let's spell the mistakes out:

You get 60% of last salary, not full salary.

You get it for up to 12 months not 24.

You lose 3 months of unemployment money if you quit rather than being fired.

toomuchtodo•1h ago
All countries will eventually experience population decline, it’s just the speed of each that is different [1]. Global fertility rate already appears to be below replacement rate. Even China appears to be below 1 at this time [2]. India and Africa will arrive there likely in the next ~5-10 years, depending on rate of empowerment of women.

[1] https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jesusfv/Slides_London.pdf

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44851759

Qem•1h ago
> depending on rate of empowerment of women

People attribute it to empowerment of women, but I wonder if it's more correlation than causation. Women empowerment happened in the same time frame there was a large shift towards urbanization. The situation across the world before was like ~80% of people living in rural areas, and ~20% living in cities. Now those proportions are approximately flipped in many places. IIRC cities appear to be a net population sink for most of history, counting on an steady stream of people moving from the countryside each generation to replenish sub-replacement numbers. Raising children "free-ranging" is more straightforward in the countryside. In cities they demand a lot of micromanagement and resources from parents, because car-infested, cramped urban landscape is expensive and hostile to children. So perhaps the causation arrow flows from accelerated urbanization to both women empowerment and sub-replacement fertility rates, not necessarily from women empowerment to sub-replacement rates.

toomuchtodo•35m ago
As women have far fewer babies, the U.S. and the world face unprecedented challenges - https://www.npr.org/2025/07/07/nx-s1-5388357/birth-rate-fert... - July 7th, 2025

> Most demographers now say the population bomb has largely fizzled, and some predict that the long-term trend toward a smaller global population, with fewer consumers and a smaller human footprint on the planet, could benefit the environment.

> There appear to be other upsides to declining fertility. Along with growing individual freedom and economic empowerment of women, the U.N. study also found a rapid drop in the number of girls and teenagers giving birth.

> "The decline of the adolescent birth rates has been, I would say, one of the major success stories in global population health over the past three decades," said Vladimíra Kantorová, the U.N.'s chief population scientist.

United Nations World Fertility 2024 Report - https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.deve...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41225389 (additional citations)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40982392 (additional citations)

(scholar of the global demographic system; urbanization is certainly a component in a declining fertility rate, but the primary driver is women choosing to have less children, delay having them, or not having them at all, while having the means to assert those choices)

algo_trader•4m ago
> smaller human footprint on the planet, could benefit the environment.

This i highly doubt. Humans are able to increase per capita (resource) consumption at a far faster rate! Old age care/consumption can also grow to infinity

algo_trader•9m ago
> but I wonder if it's more correlation than causation.

Fertility fall in rural Africa is far faster than its rate of urbanization

As a quick primer. falling births seem to correlate/caused by:

a. increasing urbanization b. increasing atheism c. increasing women empowerment/education d. increasing incomes

These factors re-enforce each other, and are scale free (we see the same effect at $1/day, $10/day, $100/day etc)

pona-a•1h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t...
wagwang•1h ago
That article is full of gems like

> Researchers have variously estimated the Muslim population of France at between 8.8% and 12.5% in 2017, and less than 1% in 2001,[64][65] making a "replacement" unlikely according to MacKellar.

pona-a•49m ago
You quoted the number but skipped the part where MacKellar says the whole premise relies on treating 3rd- and 4th-generation citizens as “not French.”

> While the ethnic demography of France has shifted as a result of post-WWII immigration, scholars have generally dismissed the claims of a "great replacement" as being rooted in an exaggeration of immigration statistics and unscientific, racially prejudiced views.[12] Geographer Landis MacKellar criticized Camus's thesis for assuming "that third- and fourth- generation 'immigrants' are somehow not French."[63] Researchers have variously estimated the Muslim population of France at between 8.8% and 12.5% in 2017, and less than 1% in 2001,[64][65] making a "replacement" unlikely according to MacKellar.[63]

dyauspitr•28m ago
Why is fixing it in quotations? There are generations of Turkish, arabs, and Indians, that are very well integrated into European society.
lossolo•3m ago
Maybe because from a strictly evolutionary point of view, that’s a failure: they won’t pass on their genes, and other gene pools will take over the resources their lineage worked to secure.
oezi•2m ago
Fear mongering.

Current net immigration inflows into Germany are below 0.5% of population.

The big immigration waves of the last 20 years can be directly linked to devastating wars: Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine.

How many generations did it take for the Germans to become Americans in the US? Did it make Americans disappear?

pessimizer•1h ago
South Korean politics is an absolute disaster, there's a non-zero possibility that 30 years from now, long after the Kims, people will be fleeing to the North.
oezi•13m ago
Even a birth rate as South Korea's does not mean the population will disappear over night. It will shrink. It will mean things will change. Infrastructure will be overprovisioned and housing will be cheap. It will mean other things will be prioritized by politics (such as kindergardens and work life balance).

In any case it won't be a catastrophy as life in North Korea.

seanmcdirmid•7m ago
A good analogy might be the Black Death: it didn’t destroy Europe, it changed priorities, freed the serfs, started valuing labor more, and ultimately led to a stronger Europe in the future.
farseer•1h ago
After reaching peak prosperity, both Korea and Japan have decided to evaporate into oblivion. Japan grudgingly allows in a few Filipino and Vietnamese, so there is that.
forinti•1h ago
Both these countries have really high population densities. Japan's is around 330/km2 and South Korea's is about 530/km2.

Just like the UK, they would probably be better off with less people, geopolitical considerations aside.

thisislife2•1h ago
That "peak prosperity" thing is actually capitalism gone awry in my opinion. I'd include India too here - a common pattern that can be seen in all these three Asian countries is the unhealthy work-life balance. Couple that with the world-wide trend that two incomes are now necessary to raise kids in many of these "fast" growing or economically "prosperous" countries, most people are just choosing to have only 1 (or at most 2 kids), and there are some who are also opting not to have any kids. In India, the opposition leader has also lamented that we have already lost advantage of having a younger population because of poor economic planning and policies (by 2030, India will have the world’s largest youth population). Trump won, in large part, because many Americans are now struggling to feel secure with the wages that they earn - they can't afford to buy a house, which many feel is required to start a family. A course correction is required in the world economy, as, while capitalism-consumerism does seem to provide prosperity, it also seems to be consuming societies that adopts it.
HPsquared•1h ago
They're free to choose the path they prefer.
notorandit•1h ago
Soldier != Male
throwaway652368•1h ago
As you know, Korea has compulsory military service for men, but not for women. This would be a fantastic place for gender equality activists to make their voice heard and rally for greater gender equality, it's strange that they seem to be unconcerned with this sort of thing.
lawn•1h ago
South Korea ranks very low globally on women's rights and equality so it's unfortunately not a surprise.
vkou•1h ago
What makes you think that conscription for women isn't being discussed in Korea?

1. Do you have evidence that it isn't?

2. You do realize that Korea is not actually a society with a lot of gender equality (or equality in general, as I'll note in point #4) as-is, right?

3. Which 'gender equality champions' exactly do you expect to be shouting about this so that you will hear about it? Americans and Europeans posting on Reddit and Hacker News?

4. Do you think that the existing problems regarding equality in conscription (with every connected person's sons actively dodging the draft) may be poisoning the well for anyone advocating - or considering advocating - throwing more bodies into that machine?

refulgentis•1h ago
Hmmm...I'm not sure if gender equality advocacy is when you always advocate for complete equality in all things always.

There's a side component of the mens right advocacy movement that tries introducing the idea that there's some flaw in woman's rights movements because they're not true gender equality movements: inter alia, famously, lawsuits over ladies nights at bars

I think the reason that doesn't carry much attention is because it's intuitive, even without the concept involved, to understand why someone might advocate for equal pay but not for equal conscription. We are but sentient meat.

pessimizer•57m ago
> There's a side component of the mens right advocacy movement that tries introducing the idea that there's some flaw in woman's rights movements because they're not true gender equality movements: inter alia, famously, lawsuits over ladies nights at bars

It's not just men's rights. There is a massive part of the West who believes that to acknowledge that women are physically different than men is the real sexism. Erasing female as a distinct category entirely is supposed to be the anti-sexist option. Females are just weak men, too lazy to get taller and stronger. Or men are just big, sterile, extremely strong women. Now that I type it, I guess it is a men's rights movement.

Turning "woman-hating" into "misogynist" into "sexist" was as men's rights as turning Women's Studies into Gender Studies.

edit: always remember that the history of "sexism" is not a history of people hurting people, it's a history of men hurting women. Sexism is a euphemism. The reason only males are required to do military service in Korea is because men decided that's how it should be. If men decided otherwise, it would be changed.

Qem•50m ago
> Korea has compulsory military service for men, but not for women

If they make it compulsory for women it probably will just crash fertility further. Unless they couple it with the possibility of exemption for mothers.

mdorazio•1h ago
In this case it mostly does. Only South Korean men must do compulsory military service. It's optional for women.
abbycurtis33•1h ago
Muscle density. Speed. Power.
khuey•1h ago
Maybe important in the infantry, but there are plenty of other jobs in the military these days.
fh973•1h ago
1 soldier in the battlefield needs several soldiers as support (logistics etc.).
cyberax•1h ago
That really matter for hand-to-hand combat.

So let's think about what's needed for soldiers to engage in hand-to-hand combat:

1. They somehow need to lose their main weapon.

2. Their sidearm.

3. Be on the front line.

4. Somehow find an enemy soldier that also lost their main weapon and the sidearm.

5. Engage in hand-to-hand combat.

Qem•43m ago
> That really matter for hand-to-hand combat

I'm not so sure. If you're shot or suffer other injury that affects mobility, it's really helpful to have some comrades around with enough upper-body strength to carry you somewhere where you can get help, or at least cover while waiting for it. Being able to carry a lot of equipment is also useful.

franczesko•1h ago
We should ask ourselves a question, if the system we're living in is not rewarding having kids, is a good system at all?
socalgal2•1h ago
Personally I think the culture has changed. It's got little to do with costs or insentives or support and everything to do with changing wants/desires. Rather than devote 20+ years of a person's life to kids, most people would rather socialize, party, dance, netflix-and-chill, youtube, tiktok, travel, game, raise a pet, hobbies, etc....

Many countries have tried giving every incentive possible. Cash bonuses, tax breaks, a year+ of mandatory child leave for both men and women, cheap child care, mandatory flexible hours, housing subsidies, cultural campaigns.

Some of them have a short term effect but none of them get the numbers up to replacement levels and the numbers keep going down.

It's hard to blame it on any one thing. Some might say "suburban car centric culture" but that doesn't explain Japan, Korea, Singapore, etc....

I can't personally imagine the numbers going back up.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-born-per-woman

noah_buddy•48m ago
I think the failure in extrapolation is that the numbers will absolutely go back up, eventually. Subcultures that incentivize high birth rates culturally will have more kids, and eventually come to dominate society.

If you want to see what culture will look like in a few hundred years, try and figure out what’s common between Mormons, Amish, and Muslims.

wrg•1h ago
Seems incredible that a nation-state would let itself get to the point of actual existential crisis rather than risk dealing with the huge elephant in the room which is female rights.

Do they actually think it's worth risking losing a war to N Korea because they couldn't question this even though it's a relatively modern concept (1948), not as if its baked into S Korea's founding ideals or traditional culture.

refulgentis•1h ago
It sounds like you're suggesting woman's rights caused South Korea's military to shrink 20%, and thus it is desirable to not give woman rights, lest it cause men to choose not to join the army, and thus it is desirable to roll back woman having rights, as it could cause men to not join the army and its no biggie anyway, its not in their constitution that woman have rights.

Am I reading it right?

MisterMower•1h ago
Perhaps not women’s rights, per se, but allowing the culture to portray every possible lifestyle except motherhood as honorable and rewarding definitely caused it.

You gotta have mamas to have babies.

refulgentis•1h ago
That's a hell of a motte to a bailey. We're not really saying anything anymore other than making a claim its not-honorable to be a mother in the culture (trivially false)
cosmic_cheese•1h ago
I’d point to cultural issues that persist even now making motherhood unenviable, such as the norm of men taking little to no part in child rearing and house duties.

Being expected to raise the children, keep the house clean, keep up with laundry, do the grocery shopping, and keep the family fed among other things all on your own while your partner’s day ends after coming home from his 9-to-5 doesn’t sound very pleasant, and a lot of young adult women (especially in East Asia) saw exactly this play out with their parents so it’s only natural if it’s led them to become avoidant.

wrg•46m ago
It really is women's rights per se. I wrote that fully realising I will get downvoted to oblivion for questioning the status quo/consensus but it's so mind-boggling that I can't stay quiet and it helps that this time they're finally connecting the most vital of dots, military capability.
angmarsbane•34m ago
There are a few ways to address declining birth rates and removing women's professional opportunities beyond motherhood is a heavy-handed one with heaps of negative trade-offs / externalities of its own.
angmarsbane•37m ago
My experience has been that women have kids when their lives feel stable and secure like when they have house, and they and their partner are out of school and a couple years into a well-paying, stable job. The longer that stability alludes a woman and/or couple the longer it takes to have children which means fewer or no children.
wrg•52m ago
You're not reading it right. Women not having kids because they are making Excels/working in assorted minwage jobs directly translates into less kids being born which then translates into less potential soldiers. It's not difficult.
refulgentis•25m ago
It was difficult enough that you were downvoted to gray, and rather than just shrugging and moving on, I assumed the best.

I also was perfectly polite in my post.

It wouldn't have been difficult for you to do the same.

To be clear, you are claiming it is time to roll back woman's rights (the right to work) so they maintain the same army size.

May I be bold, and make a conjecture?

You are aware this argument is unjustifiable and people react as such, otherwise, you wouldn't be rolling out your 9 year old anon account to do it.

You do not understand why it is unjustifiable, so, you blame some sort of conspiracy or ill in civil society for your inability to back your free-association with your name.

hax0ron3•13m ago
I mean, I personally find the idea of rolling back women's rights to be repellent, but arguments should not be judged based on whether or not the author feels compelled to make them anonymously. In history, there have been plenty of true and justifiable things said anonymously because the people saying them were worried about being persecuted for their opinions.
dyauspitr•18m ago
Women not being housewives is almost entirely responsible for this. I’d rather have the government make having children mandatory than rolling back women’s rights though.
jadamson•10m ago
That sounds at least on par with, if not worse than, than rolling women's rights back. How would it be enforced?
hax0ron3•18m ago
Not only does South Korea have a huge technology advantage over North Korea, but South Korea could also easily build nuclear weapons if it wanted to. It would probably not be at risk of losing a war to North Korea even if its population dropped to 10 million.
nis0s•1h ago
Hyper-capitalist societies need some counterbalance with social safety programs, e.g., as seen in the Nordic states and the blue states in the U.S., otherwise people choose not to reproduce if their children won't get anything out of society like they did.

Besides that, at a cultural level personal worth and dignity and safety need to be divorced from monetary net worth as that makes it easier for someone to decide where is a comfortable place for them in their society, and then adjust their time between working and child-rearing.

That said, it's also hard to motivate some people to reproduce if there's no greater point to it than some basic primal instinct, which may not be that high in such people. It follows, I guess, that the more educated a populace gets, the less its participants are likely to thoughtlessly reproduce. Tax credits are helpful (said sarcastically).

eagleislandsong•1h ago
> Hyper-capitalist societies need some counterbalance with social safety programs, e.g., as seen in the Nordic states and the blue states in the U.S., otherwise people choose not to reproduce if their children won't get anything out of society like they did.

Total fertility rates in Scandinavian countries (known for their very generous welfare) are falling as well -- not as catastrophic as South Korea's, but way below replacement rate nonetheless. E.g., Denmark's total fertility rate fell yet again in 2024 to 1.466. (Source: https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/borgere/befolkning/fer...)

nis0s•45m ago
Yes, that's what I was alluding to in my last para. The blue states in the U.S. have relatively lower fertility rates than the red states. The second para is what I think would actually help with falling reproductive rates in such situations, but those conditions need to be met by social safety programs.
maxglute•1h ago
Shortterm, SKR probably the only country with culture of civil service, loathing for immigration, and enough gender drama for misandrist men to eventually roll out coercive family planning system onto females (that hate them) to force family formation.

TBH need someone to attempt very illiberal effort to make babies because every pro maternity policy has failed to bring TFR > replacement. At this point it should be abundantly clear that short of religion, carrot policies cannot reward their way to 2.1+ TFR. Or I guess embrace immigration.

hax0ron3•38m ago
Russia has been putting a lot of government effort into increasing the fertility rate for years now and it's still below replacement. Granted, the modern Russian government is incompetent in many ways so maybe that is not a good example, but are there any modern examples of specifically authoritarian but not full-on totalitarian policies significantly raising fertility rate? By specifically authoritarian, I mean policies that would not be possible in a liberal system. It seems that fertility rate laughs at mere authoritarianism. Now, full-on totalitarianism could clearly raise fertility rate through draconian measures, but at what cost? It would be horrible to live through.
cyberax•1h ago
The US resisted that for much longer, due to a higher level of suburban population.

But it's getting there, now that dense cities are the only places with decent jobs.