> In a statement, the Israeli military says it “regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and does not target journalists as such".
I guess they were targeting supposed Hamas operatives being treated in an operating room. It's too bad that five journalists were there. They are very sorry that journalists' bodies got in the way of the bomb.
they spotted some kind of optics following troops. hamas teams frequently have cameramen to film hits or remote controlled cameras in general for surveillance. also sniper rifle reflections and camera optics reflections at large distance looks similiar.
edit: few days ago they identified somebody who put camera on external stairs of hospital near roof and followed troops. troops got attacked a few times. they asked for approval to take whoever it is down. approval was given but it was conditioned to use "light munition" to prevent too much damage. from some reason was used heavier munition. currently they investigate why orders weren't followed.
abdusco•5mo ago
Those "mistakes" and insubordinations are somehow _very_ convenient for Israel's agenda.
Apparently one strike isn't enough for the army that can perform point strikes against scientists in Iran, they "fumble" and bomb a hospital, then do it again and bomb the people who rush in to help.
The last witnesses who are able to expose the extent of unimaginable cruelty are being threatened, targeted and killed off.
therobots927•5mo ago
Replying to your other comment here. I don't know if you've noticed but the article we were both commenting on was flagged. I know this is a trend on HN and am wondering if you're aware of a specific policy that forbids articles on international issues of public interest.
abdusco•5mo ago
I know about the policy, but some of them get a hold and get unflagged. I'm just hoping to raise awareness.
therobots927•5mo ago
I'm just saying I'm not aware of the guideline that the article violated. It seems to me like there is a suppression campaign on any discussion of the subject at hand.
tguvot•5mo ago
in desert storm 17% of USA casualties (and 35% of fatal) were due to friendly fire
usa famously bombed MSF hospital and canadian troops in afganistan.
france bombed wedding
idf in gaza also has a lot of casualties due to friendly fire. i think at some point of time it was around 30%
the bottom line: combat/war at enemy territory it's not same as shopping in costco at weekend.
NomDePlum•5mo ago
This was the deliberate targeting of a hospital. They then deliberately bombed the same spot as rescuers went to help.
It's not excusable and certainly can't be explained away. Israel has deliberately and repeatedly targeted hospitals, journalists and civilians. At some point hopefully enough of those carrying out these deliberate acts are tried to ensure that never again is this tolerated.
tguvot•5mo ago
yes. they deliberately targeted external stairs near roof because there was somebody who was suspected to be a spotter for a few days. this is how war works. hospitals loose protected status in case they used for military activity.
Over 200,000 civilians deliberately killed and maimed by Israel. Over 2 million people deliberately starved by Israel. None of it admitted, trite comments trying to excuse war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide don't carry weight. Hopefully in the future these people will be brought to justice.
asdefghyk•5mo ago
RE "....Over 200,000 civilians deliberately killed and maimed by Israel. Over 2 million people deliberately starved by Israel....." Seem to be cherry picking figures. Please attribute some blame to Hamas also too. Thank You.
NomDePlum•5mo ago
Nothing is being cherry picked. Those figures are almost certainly an undercount. The point is about Israel's war crimes and them hopefully being brought to justice at some point in the future, twisting the narrative to divert from this being 100% a deliberate, calculated, long term choice is not appropriate.
ImPostingOnHN•5mo ago
such claims by one of the parties to the war (especially a party with such a long history of lying about it) are insufficient justification for attacking a hospital, doctors, journalists, etc
otherwise hamas could claim with at least as much credulity that every innocent person they killed just happened to be beside a soldier and they just missed, oops, so it's all good right?
or they could claim with at least as much credulity that there were no combatants launching attacks from the hospital, and that would cancel out israel's claims that there were, and thus israel's claimed justification
yes: absent independent investigation and judgement, there is no credible justification for this attack on civilians
of course, this is to say nothing of morality: killing innocent civilians and their press for exercising their right to video their own land? gross.
killing the rescuers and doctors and reporters who responded to your first killing (and were within their rights to do so)? sick.
genociding hundreds of thousands of innocent palestinian civilians to avenge a thousand israeli ones because you think israeli people are superior and more valuable than palestinian people? literally atrocious.
tguvot•5mo ago
its literally satisfying justification for attacking hospitals and hamas operatives who pose as journalists. also i been told by mainstream media multiple times that there are no more hospitals in gaza as israel destroyed all of them. so i am mildly surprised here.
hamas takes pride in attacking civilians. which is evidenced by multiple attacks over past 30 years against purely civilian targets. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bombi... . they later proudly take responsibility for actions like this. sometimes hamas/pij/pflp will all claim responsibility .
i wonder what is your take on 20 years of unguided rockets shot from gaza (around 20000 in total) after israel left it in 2005
ImPostingOnHN•5mo ago
it's literally not sufficient justification, in large part due to israel's long history of lying and coordinated efforts to prevent independent investigators from investigating the truth
otherwise hamas could claim with at least as much credulity that every innocent person they killed just happened to be beside a soldier and they just missed, oops, so it's all good right?
or they could claim with at least as much credulity that there were no combatants launching attacks from the hospital, and that would cancel out israel's claims that there were, and thus israel's claimed justification
israel takes pride in attacking civilians. which is evidenced by multiple attacks over past 30 years against purely civilian targets. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence . they later proudly take responsibility for actions like this
i wonder what is your take on 20 years of illegal israeli occupation of palestine and terrorist attacks on palestinians?
bbqfog•5mo ago
Israel literally bombed a hospital then double tap killed the rescue crew and the journalists covering the original war crime, and it's all on video for anyone to see.
tguvot•5mo ago
yes. i literally wrote that they bombed a hospital after they followed up somebody who was suspected as hamas spotter with cameras for a few days. they used different ammo than they were approved to, and now there is investigation
in same hospital a couple of dozens of israeli hostages were kept for a while.
at same hospital IDF arrested in past around 100 hamas members who were hiding.
in area where combatants frequently crossdress, it's hard to know who is who
The military, which said its troops carried out a strike in the area of Nasser Hospital, said it “regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and does not target journalists as such.” Israeli media reported that Israeli troops fired two artillery shells at the hospital, targeting a Hamas surveillance camera on the roof.
abdusco•5mo ago
I guess they were targeting supposed Hamas operatives being treated in an operating room. It's too bad that five journalists were there. They are very sorry that journalists' bodies got in the way of the bomb.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn725ny0ryjt?post=asset%3Abdd2...
tguvot•5mo ago
edit: few days ago they identified somebody who put camera on external stairs of hospital near roof and followed troops. troops got attacked a few times. they asked for approval to take whoever it is down. approval was given but it was conditioned to use "light munition" to prevent too much damage. from some reason was used heavier munition. currently they investigate why orders weren't followed.
abdusco•5mo ago
Apparently one strike isn't enough for the army that can perform point strikes against scientists in Iran, they "fumble" and bomb a hospital, then do it again and bomb the people who rush in to help.
The last witnesses who are able to expose the extent of unimaginable cruelty are being threatened, targeted and killed off.
therobots927•5mo ago
abdusco•5mo ago
therobots927•5mo ago
tguvot•5mo ago
usa famously bombed MSF hospital and canadian troops in afganistan.
france bombed wedding
idf in gaza also has a lot of casualties due to friendly fire. i think at some point of time it was around 30%
the bottom line: combat/war at enemy territory it's not same as shopping in costco at weekend.
NomDePlum•5mo ago
It's not excusable and certainly can't be explained away. Israel has deliberately and repeatedly targeted hospitals, journalists and civilians. At some point hopefully enough of those carrying out these deliberate acts are tried to ensure that never again is this tolerated.
tguvot•5mo ago
https://archive.is/aTwq9
NomDePlum•5mo ago
asdefghyk•5mo ago
NomDePlum•5mo ago
ImPostingOnHN•5mo ago
otherwise hamas could claim with at least as much credulity that every innocent person they killed just happened to be beside a soldier and they just missed, oops, so it's all good right?
or they could claim with at least as much credulity that there were no combatants launching attacks from the hospital, and that would cancel out israel's claims that there were, and thus israel's claimed justification
yes: absent independent investigation and judgement, there is no credible justification for this attack on civilians
of course, this is to say nothing of morality: killing innocent civilians and their press for exercising their right to video their own land? gross.
killing the rescuers and doctors and reporters who responded to your first killing (and were within their rights to do so)? sick.
genociding hundreds of thousands of innocent palestinian civilians to avenge a thousand israeli ones because you think israeli people are superior and more valuable than palestinian people? literally atrocious.
tguvot•5mo ago
hamas takes pride in attacking civilians. which is evidenced by multiple attacks over past 30 years against purely civilian targets. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bombi... . they later proudly take responsibility for actions like this. sometimes hamas/pij/pflp will all claim responsibility .
i wonder what is your take on 20 years of unguided rockets shot from gaza (around 20000 in total) after israel left it in 2005
ImPostingOnHN•5mo ago
otherwise hamas could claim with at least as much credulity that every innocent person they killed just happened to be beside a soldier and they just missed, oops, so it's all good right?
or they could claim with at least as much credulity that there were no combatants launching attacks from the hospital, and that would cancel out israel's claims that there were, and thus israel's claimed justification
israel takes pride in attacking civilians. which is evidenced by multiple attacks over past 30 years against purely civilian targets. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence . they later proudly take responsibility for actions like this
i wonder what is your take on 20 years of illegal israeli occupation of palestine and terrorist attacks on palestinians?
bbqfog•5mo ago
tguvot•5mo ago
in same hospital a couple of dozens of israeli hostages were kept for a while.
at same hospital IDF arrested in past around 100 hamas members who were hiding.
in area where combatants frequently crossdress, it's hard to know who is who
[0] https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/12/middleeast/israel-strike-arme...
asdefghyk•5mo ago
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bigyabai•5mo ago
A palid lie, as anyone with access to the data knows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...
The only other way that many journalists could die in one war is if there was a genocide taking place.