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Python: The Documentary

https://lwn.net/Articles/1035537/
73•chmaynard•2h ago

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attogram•2h ago
1 hour and 24 minutes of python history, love it!
umvi•1h ago
I used to love Python, back when it was basically just an alternative to perl for scripting. Now it strikes fear into my heart when I encounter something largish written in Python because it usually means "super slow bloated researchy untyped ai/math code that's a nightmare to work with"
kev009•26m ago
I was a big fan of python between 10 and 15 years ago for similar reasons, it felt "cleaner" than other scripting languages while also having rich standard and extended libraries.

With no real recent experience (I fell deep down the hole into C/kernel etc), I wouldn't have any authority to judge how it's adapted to time. But the most common complaint I've observed at companies of all size and sophistication is "the deployment story is a disaster". But it also seems like uv allows people to do all the "I want this specific version of such and such and I don't want $OS to know about any of this" well?

Re math/ai it's an interesting comment because a language is one part the syntax/stuff you receive, and one part the community that tells you to do things a certain way. I'd guess that Python has become such a big tent it is a little hard to enforce norms that other languages seem to have. This somewhat reminds me of Bjarne Stroustrup discussing scaling/evolving a language.

dralley•24m ago
"math code" is generally using wrapped native libraries not really all that slow.

But this seems like an apples to oranges comparison. Yes, of course a few scripts are very different than "something largeish" written in Python

b33j0r•20m ago
There are two types of people who use python: those who understand statistics and those who write python.

I’m happy that python basically took over the role once filled by matlab, and I’m happy that it became the leader in AI dev instead of something worse (probably Java if gpt2 had hit 5-10 years earlier).

But you’re right. It’s not fun anymore. It feels more like a pseudolanguage for expressing tensors now, because of the influx.

I’m exaggerating only in feigned outrage. In my actions, I’ve been coding in rust, go, and zig ever since ChatGPT came out.

I think that moment made me value python less. When I think about why, it’s because python became less challenging, and the problem space shrank.

It’s been fun to go back to low-level and remember how computers actually work.

ihaveajob•7m ago
I'm wondering, what language do youb love nowadays?
yomismoaqui•30m ago
God bless the Go guys for not doing a Python 2 to 3 fiasco
MilnerRoute•28m ago
Here's another article with some comments from the new documentary's director - and from unsung Python hero Paul Everitt. (Everitt hired Guido van Rossum and all the other core developers in the late 1990s -- while keeping Python open source, and voting the nonprofit Python Software Foundation into existence.)

https://thenewstack.io/guido-van-rossum-revisits-pythons-lif...

fnord77•23m ago
> world's most beloved programming language

The more I use python, the more I hate it. For the inconsistencies and the short comings and the stuff it glosses over and absurdities like having the default queue be thread safe (sacrificing performance). My personal opinion is it is a garbage language.

ihaveajob•7m ago
I used to love Python. I still love it, but I used to love it, too.
ekianjo•17m ago
> most beloved programming language

Citation needed

ayhanfuat•13m ago
The Zen of Python part was quite fun. I wish Tim Peters was in it though. He wrote yesterday:

> I do show up, but not “live”. For various reasons (mostly related to declining health), I didn’t actively participate. I gave the director (Ida Bechtle) a pile of source material at the start, and that was the last of my involvement. She spliced in some recycled video of an interview I did with the PyPy folks at a PyCon some years ago, but I’m there mostly so people could recite my so-called “Zen of Python”, which an actual historian (Joseph Dragovich) assured me is “the most famous values statement for any programming language community”. https://discuss.python.org/t/python-documentary-going-live-t...

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