How can I assist if I believe they do deserve to be hunted online? It improves my mental health to use the tools of the surveillance state against its agents.
Need to nip this in the bud.
We had the chance to nip it in the bud over 20 years ago and we couldn't. It doesn't look like we're going to this time, either.
But hey, these folks are evil; if that kind of extra judicial torture of random folks is the thing that has guided me away from Omelas, so be it.
The current administration believes that non-citizens have no right to due process. If there's no due process, there's no way to prove or disprove citizenship and no court proceeding at all. And SCOTUS ruled that you can ship a non-citizen just... Anywhere you want? Doesn't have to even be on the same continent as their home.
So the Gestapo - sorry, ICE - can kidnap anyone they want, put them in a camp of arbitrarily bad conditions without any form of disclosure or contact to lawyers or family, then send them to a random war-torn country with no belongings.
If you're extra unlucky, they may just send you to a death prison or work camp in a third world dictatorship.
So we are already passed the rubicon of "no court hearing at all". Today we're normalizing deploying the military against US citizens.
cute how many Americans think that they were “free” until short 7-8 months ago
Their volunteer email is icelistvol [at] pm.me
I wonder if experts will emerge to call this inciting "stochastic terrorism" [2]. I won't be holding my breath.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_immigration_stat...
The ability of government to hold you indefinitely, punish, deport you, etc without going thru courts simply by declaring you a criminal is how you get gulags.
Yes maybe this time they don't look like you and their last names end in z which yours doesn't, but wait until the next time.
I don't even think ripping the Constitution up would render the problem "solved." It would really help relieve the panic if the parties could at least agree that the issue does exist; until then, any government plan can expect to be overturned in four years time.
To clarify: not defending literally A.H., I think that's a mischaracterization.
There are good reasons to limit immigration, but "they're taking our jobs" isn't one of them.
> Any immigration at all will affect the availability of homes, of jobs, of healthcare... So, it ought to be monitored and controlled. This is becoming more relevant as home prices rise and the job market stays sucking.
So does having babies. I don't see your point here. Immigrants come and they provide labor, the same labor we use to build homes and staff hospitals. Most immigrants that come to the U.S. are young and utilize less healthcare services than non-immigrants.
I'm on a different continent, so this metaphorical frag grenade exploding in the USA's metaphorical tent isn't my problem. But it should slow down the people desperate to make it a fix-in-one-term thing.
Corrupting our democracy to get your way is not legit even if you were unfairly screamed down. The corruption will be fought tooth and nail.
These are not good people.
> current party in power 11xed the ICE budget, built Alligator Alcatraz, and has deals with foreign governments to deport people straight to prison
I'm not sure I can square your victimhood with reality.
Shipping someone to a concentration camp in El Salvador despite the fact that a federal judge ordered that they not be sent to El Salvador, insisting without evidence that they were a member of a gang, saying anyone who wants them to be able to defend themselves in court is pro-gang-violence, and then insisting that there's nothing you can do to get them back so everyone should stop complaining and move in... that's some fascist secret police shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyssZRWaMWg
Trump's second term, with his sledgehammer approach, is the natural result.
They had already gotten amnesty once, but not much came of the promised increased illegal immigration scrutiny (and nothing was done to reduce legal immigration at all):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control...
there's law enforcement that follows due process, and there's "law enforcement" that doesn't
the former is the regular police (when they're doing their job right), the latter is the Gestapo and ICE
the problem isn't so much immigration laws; it's 1) the way ICE is enforcing them, and 2) the fact that a non-trivial percentage of US businesses actually depend on that illegal immigration (which is why after political pressure, Trump made "exceptions" for certain businesses--not exceptions to the law, exceptions to its enforcement)
What is really amazing is that even knowing - as a species - all of our history we manage to commit the same faults over and over again.
There are always going to be people waiting in the wings that can't wait to become the next installment of campguards, gas chamber operators and gestapo. It is unbelievable to me, and have a hard time coming to terms with it because we should be better than this by now. But no, we'll just bang our heads against the rock one more time see if the outcome is different this time around. It's collective insanity on a massive scale.
How this trait mixes with 20th and 21st century technology and its weapons? It seems quite dark to me. We’ve dodged a few bullets but I’m not at all convinced we’ll stop firing or keep successfully dodging.
Right, it's either open borders or gas chambers, no in-between. Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide, and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully, save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia).
The root question is: do you support the right to national self-determination, or not? Do you support the continued existence of distinct nations, or not? If you demand open borders, regardless of a people's preference, then you fundamentally oppose both of those.
> Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide
And without concentration camps. And without Razzia's. The US apparently can not.
> and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully
"now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.
> save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia).
And factions in Hungary. And Slovakia. And Germany. This isn't over, not by long shot.
Yeah somehow different ethnic groups forced to share countries didn't make everyone like each other, so some of the splits were messy. You wanna know what it looks like when they don't split? It looks like the Holodomor.
So clearly the answer is even less borders.
Ha, the hypocrisy.
Why are you bringing race into this? I couldn’t care less about their skin color, just their legal status.
https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/dozens-undocumented-i...
…or maybe it really is just about their legal status and not their skin color like I said.
The other commenter is very clearly talking about ICE driving vans into the parking lot of Home Depot and such, then arresting (groups of) brown folk or people who speak Spanish.
Those are very obviously two entirely separate issues. And the latter is undeniably related to skin-color.
2. You're assuming that all Irish people are white
3. You've seemingly refuted the point above with this article but your haven't in any way down that the current methods of enforcement are necessary in policing the border. Americans are allowed to police the border, criticism of their methods doesn't change this and citizens of a democracy should be allowed to ask these questions.
4. Two seconds of Googling can counter your article anyway: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/04/nx-s1-5438396/antagonized-for...
They need to change this system.
This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. 60 percent of the output is garbage and leads to an innocent person being "identified" but don't worry the unpaid volunteers have a "process" to make sure nobody innocent is targeted!
Their tactics are not "enforcing immigration law" -- we have non-secret and accountable police forces whose job is to enforce the law. ICE is more like the vigilante groups enforcing Jim Crow laws in the South back in the day.
(They never remember the end of the story, though.)
Agents doing evil, blatantly illegal shit should keep that in mind.
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