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Tududi v0.81 – task details, upcoming tasks, improvements and tweaks

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1•cvicpp123•23s ago•1 comments

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UK toughens Online Safety Act with ban on self-harm content

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Tech bros hate this college student. CA should listen what she's saying about AI

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RabbitOS 2

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Anthropic is endorsing SB 53

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iPhone Fold could feature TouchID

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U.S. sanctions cyber scammers who stole billions from Americans

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The promise and peril of project coins

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New cybersecurity rules land for Defense Department contractors

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How Consumers Can Fight Back Against Algorithmic Price Discrimination

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The Coming Electricity Crisis

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Ask HN: Physical-Keyboard Phones

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Maestro: Joint Graph and Config Optimization for Reliable AI Agents

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A novel technique for SQL injection with PHP PDO's prepared statements

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The 'Archeologists' Unearthing China's Pre-Digital Fonts

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1•bookofjoe•38m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

South Koreans feel betrayed by workforce detentions at Georgia Hyundai plant

https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-us-georgia-raid-hyundai-24d990562f5ac20e7d3e983a77a4f7ff
96•paulpauper•5h ago

Comments

nashashmi•4h ago
The full story is:

Specialized foreign workers were brought in for repair and specialized work. Korean immigrants are able to come in on ESTA visas for 90 days. No issue there. Labor union claimed the workers were doing union non-specialized work and this broke their visa grants.

Suppose that the plant made special workers do non-special work, the hammer does not fall on the workers. It falls on the plant. Yet ICE was brought in to hammer the workers. This is a big screw up in the legal procedures department.

I don't criticize anyone but this administration is a hot mess. And too arrogant to admit it.

lupusreal•4h ago
> Suppose that the plant made special workers do non-special work, the hammer does not fall on the workers.

Your boss telling you to violate the terms of your visa doesn't mean you get to do that. They violated their visas, so they get kicked out.

nashashmi•4h ago
The visa was procured by the business under the auspices of doing business. The business holds responsibility that the worker performs operation for the business in the parameters that the business visa works in. The same goes for H2B visas.
pavlov•4h ago
If only it were that simple.

An ESTA or B1 visa lets you attend business meetings. How do you draw the line between “work” and “meeting”?

A sibling comment to yours [1] describes a situation where moving office chairs from one meeting room to another was considered union work. How are Korean experts supposed to know you shouldn’t do that when attending a meeting or you risk being thrown in jail for violating your visa?

That’s an extreme case, but it illustrates that this isn’t some clear-cut case of knowingly doing work that wasn’t permitted.

- - [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45184501

CPLX•4h ago
> An ESTA or B1 visa lets you attend business meetings. How do you draw the line between “work” and “meeting”?

This is a construction site. Do you have a tool in your hand? Then you’re not in a fucking meeting. This isn’t that complicated.

> A sibling comment to yours [1] describes a situation where moving office chairs from one meeting room to another was considered union work. How are Korean experts supposed to know you shouldn’t do that when attending a meeting or you risk being thrown in jail for violating your visa?

How are you supposed to know the laws of any country you visit? Do you have some kind of universal rule you’re applying here? If I don’t know what kilometers are can I get away with speeding in Switzerland?

> That’s an extreme case, but it illustrates that this isn’t some clear-cut case of knowingly doing work that wasn’t permitted.

The details here seem to be in short supply but if they were acting as construction workers or even foreman on tourist or B1 visas what they were doing is clearly illegal. Hyundai is a multi billion dollar company they’re well capable of knowing and following US labor laws. If they can’t they have no business building a factory in the US obviously.

pavlov•4h ago
What evidence do you have that the Korean Hyundai employees were construction workers or foremen?

Why would Hyundai fly that kind of workers from across the world?

CPLX•4h ago
The fact that many were wearing hard hats and hi-vis vests in the photos of the raid seems relevant right?

They raided a construction site, not an office building. What do you think they were doing there?

pavlov•3h ago
An architect would wear a hard hat and vest to a construction site. Does that make them a construction worker?
CPLX•1h ago
Yes of course. An architect is a well established job on any large scale construction project. Do you think all construction workers are unskilled laborers?

If they were practicing architecture in the US without proper work visas it would be illegal.

viraptor•2h ago
You can't typically enter a construction site without a hardhat and hi-vis. Even as a visitor. And even if you can, you may not want to for your own safety. What they were wearing says absolutely nothing about their work.
CPLX•1h ago
I mean it says something about their work. It says they were in an active construction site.

What do you think they were doing there? Having a 300+ person “business meeting”?

viraptor•10m ago
People who were having a meeting at my home construction site: architect, builders' reception staff, inspectors, interior person, electrician's staff, garden designer, etc. and that's just for a simple house. There's going to be so many more options for a factory.
nashashmi•4h ago
Union rules are not laws of the country. The PC meant to illustrate an example of a harmless rule violation. And the discussion is supposed to be whether it is the visa employee's fault.
CPLX•3h ago
Is your theory that they were handcuffed for violating union rules, or U.S. laws?
pavlov•3h ago
It sure seems like the ICE simply handcuffed every foreigner at the site.
nashashmi•2h ago
ICE handcuffed them. And their department is immigration laws. But whatever the reason, it does not hold up on the ICE's side.
CPLX•1h ago
I have absolutely zero respect for ICE these days and their ability to be honest about anything.

But with that caveat there are straightforward allegations of violations of well established US law here. The comments about breaking nitpicky union rules are intended to distract from that fact.

nashashmi•1h ago
Straightforward? Name the laws.
CPLX•56s ago
9 FAM 402.2-5(E)(1) (U) Commercial or Industrial Workers (CT:VISA-1288; 05-21-2021)

a. (U) An applicant coming to the United States to install, service, or repair commercial or industrial equipment or machinery purchased from a company outside the United States or to train U.S. workers to perform such services. However, in such cases, the contract of sale must specifically require the seller to provide such services or training and the visa applicant must possess unique knowledge that is essential to the seller’s contractual obligation to perform the services or training and must receive no remuneration from a U.S. source.

b. (U) These provisions do not apply to an applicant seeking to perform building or construction work, whether on-site or in-plant. The exception is for an applicant who is applying for a B-1 visa for supervising or training other workers engaged in building or construction work, but not actually performing any such building or construction work.

fragmede•4h ago
That's incredibly shortsighted. Hyundai invested a shit ton of time and money and effort into making a plant in a shit hole of a state to make it less of a shit hole. Now, there's a group of South Koreans who have first hand experience of America being shit. They're gonna go home and tell everyone that will listen, that Americans are all shitheads, and fuck those people, and never come back. Why would Hyundai ever open another American plant if that's how their people get treated? Have you been arrested? It's humiliating. It's not that they broke the rules, it's how they're being enforced. That visa has always been fine for that. If we wanted to change how things work, a competent state department would have telegraphed changes coming down the pipeline months in advance, and spared everyone the humiliation of being abducted by ICE.
CPLX•4h ago
This is an insightful comment on what is apparently a multi-billion dollar charity known as Hyundai, and their desire to improve the state of Georgia.

I had mistakenly confused them with the multi-national Chaebol of the same name that is known for ruthless business competition and making decisions to maximize their own profits and shareholder wealth.

fragmede•4h ago
You are forgiven. It's pretty confusing, I know. Those people with the different skin and hair color have emotions and families, even though they don't speak English.
CPLX•3h ago
What do you suppose the answer to this question is:

> Why would Hyundai ever open another American plant if that's how their people get treated?

argomo•4h ago
It's extremely easy to perform union with without realizing it. I was working a software deployment at a plant site where we had uncomfortable chairs, so we brought in chairs from the conference room next door. That turned out to be a union job, so we had to return the chairs and suffer until some union folks could do the same thing.

And I've heard similar stories from other people, including one where union employees intentionally placed debris to obstruct a non-union worker with a cart; they lay in wait until she came along and picked up the barrier, then got her written up for it.

While I support unions generally, I'm convinced that sour experiences of this variety have worked against them politically.

conradev•4h ago
Rippling moved into an old Spotify office in NYC and they were required to use union labor to remove the old signage. They decided to leave the signage up rather than pay the union tax.
CPLX•4h ago
When they give lavish amounts of money to executives or VCs do you also call that a tax?
conradev•2h ago
Nope. I was using tax in the sense of "mandatory cost enforced by the government" even though in this case the revenue goes to private entities.
CPLX•1h ago
Is there any cost not enforced by the government?

What stops me from killing and eating my local venture capitalists for their protein content?

conradev•26m ago
For you in particular, likely some moral precepts? or are you arguing that the deterrent effect of government punishment is the only thing stopping you? I don't really understand the line of argument.
snapetom•4h ago
I worked at a software company for shipping terminals. One release, we changed the color of a snowflake icon for better colorblind accessibility. The union said it was brand new software and the terminal had to do an emergency shutdown for a week to retrain.

On the same software who's only difference was that it had a different icon color.

SilverElfin•3h ago
A friend’s company ended up changing their entire business because of this problem. They were providing services as a contractor but kept running into problems with their client’s union workers, who felt like no one should be able to do certain things that seemed very trivial and not specialized (like tightening a bolt or whatever). This work was officially approved but the union workers responded to it in hostile ways - like taking a long time to do their part of the jobs or doing other odd things like making people wait for hours on the floor before anyone showed up.

The company gave up and decided to just sell their product without any services - like having the customer do all the work themselves. It was very inefficient because they had to train their customer’s workers and put together huge amounts of documentation and there were a lot of issues making it work. But the company was able to charge for all of that and basically ended up having the same profit margin anyways. In the end the only person paying the cost was the customer, since they had to deal with work getting done more slowly due to the overhead of training people and a lot of (billed) back-and-forth communication.

sugarpimpdorsey•4h ago
> Suppose that the plant made special workers do non-special work, the hammer does not fall on the workers. It falls on the plant. Yet ICE was brought in to hammer the workers. This is a big screw up in the legal procedures department.

So if hookers are working the streets, the hammer does not fall on them and will fall on their pimp instead? The cops will just let them go?

The law does not work the way you think it does.

nashashmi•4h ago
That depends on the writing of the law. If the law forbids a person to sell an illegal service, then the seller is at fault. If the law forbids buying a service, then the buyer is at fault. It is easier to go after the seller/broker (pimp) then it is to go after the service worker, legally speaking, because the transfer of money is through the broker.

Same thing happened with Trump in the hush money scandal. The guy who transferred the money (the lawyer) was at fault. The only reason by which they came after trump was that the books did not record the transfer truthfully, and did so falsely.

seanmcdirmid•3h ago
Having your lawyer do something illegal on your behalf is also a crime.
ethbr1•12m ago
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/p80ACpPKTHU
Paratoner•4h ago
And it works the way things are unfolding since the start of this year, highly knowledgeable person sir?
CPLX•4h ago
That’s not the full story at all. No argument that this administration is a disaster on hundreds of metrics but it’s not clear what’s going on here. At a glance it’s at least possible that this was a pro-US worker policy.

The Asian high tech companies have a history of falsely claiming US workers just aren’t smart enough to do the job when in fact what they really want is to have their own workers come in and work triple overtime at slave wages. It was a huge issue with the TSMC build in Arizona.

If they brought people in to do construction work on either tourist visas or B1 meeting type visas that’s illegal and should be and what happened here makes perfect sense.

Of course enforcing pro-labor laws against multinationals isn’t exactly what this admin is known for, so it’s probably a fuck up. But until we know the details we don’t know.

seanmcdirmid•3h ago
> Of course enforcing pro-labor laws against multinationals isn’t exactly what this admin is known for, so it’s probably a fuck up. But until we know the details we don’t know.

It is pretty obvious now that the Korean sub-contractors thought they were above board on the proper visas for the consulting work that was being contracted. Now, whether that was actually true or not will take a few years of litigation to figure out, since visa law is complicated. If they were doing custom specialized work (that is definitely allowed by ESTA/B1), then the visas were correct. If they were hammering nails into wood, then the visas were incorrect. See https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-us-georgia-raid-hyund...

CPLX•3h ago
That's not obvious at all. The image in the article you're linking to shows people with hardhats and vests that say "mechanic" on them.

Not only that there's a long history of asian high tech conglomerates taking shortcuts on these kinds of projects:

https://prospect.org/labor/2023-06-22-tsmc-semiconductor-fac...

Including this specific one:

https://www.enr.com/articles/60802-third-fatality-recorded-a...

So maybe, maybe not. The fact that the attorneys for the accused deny it isn't exactly dispositive.

seanmcdirmid•3h ago
Yes, the USA is a PITA for foreign countries to setup factories in, as the Japanese and the Germans learned before, the Taiwanese are learning now, and that's why they prefer to just do setup factories in China instead.

I'm also pretty sure we are screwed in manufacturing because our labor is just too expensive and unskilled/unproductive to justify the price. But that is another issue entirely.

CPLX•1h ago
You’re using “pain in the ass” as a euphemism for “has labor laws and higher wages” which is a longstanding PR move that’s been going on forever.

They prefer to setup factories overseas because they like paying lower wages.

Productivity in the US is incredibly high. Our decision to allow manufacturing to be shipped overseas is a political one.

We don’t have to care what companies feel like doing. We have the customers and the money. We can insist.

dragonwriter•1h ago
> You’re using “pain in the ass” as a euphemism for “has labor laws and higher wages” which is a longstanding PR move that’s been going on forever.

You are using “euphemism” as a euphemism for “dysphemism”. (Or, more likely, just using the wrong word; I doubt you are really intentionally trying to put a positive spin on it.)

GeoAtreides•19m ago
>ESTA visas for 90 days. No issue there.

Wrong. ESTA is not a visa, it's a requirement for all travelers to US.

The visa-waiver program (VWP) doesn't include the right to work. You need to have an appropriate visa if you're being paid (or given material benefits) while travelling in US.

Things like interviews or conferences or workshops are not included in the right to work requirement.

phendrenad2•4h ago
Understandable. I feel sorry for the Korean workers who were caught up in this. Hyundai should be held responsible for illegally importing/trafficking them, they should keep their jobs, as it's not really their fault. They were probably lied to by Hyundai. They're the victims here (as well as the American people, but that's another story).
mrexroad•4h ago
Sorry, can you clarify where it’s stated they were illegally imported / trafficked?
Simulacra•4h ago
I don't understand, did they or did they not have invalid visas? I don't understand why they would feel betrayed, it's the law. Why is this so different?
jerlam•4h ago
Some probably did not, but it was common to ignore the law. There does not seem to be a process for getting valid visas for this kind of project:

https://www.ft.com/content/c677b9aa-2e89-4feb-a56f-f3c8452b3...

And they would feel betrayed because their bosses probably told them it was ok.

Simulacra•4h ago
But that raise is a very important question: are we at the point where we don't follow certain laws because we disagree with them, or do we follow all laws and try to change the ones we disagree with?

I'm certain mistakes were made, by everyone, but how do we draw the line between breaking the law and not breaking the law?

That last part is a very, very good point. It's possible nobody ever told them. Which means the managers and the people who run the plant should be the ones in handcuffs.

loandbehold•4h ago
It's quite common for some laws to be broken on a regular basis to the point where it becomes expected behavior. Going 70 mph when speed limit is 65 mph is one example.
jerlam•4h ago
If everyone is breaking the law, but it is only enforced on a specific group of people, it basically kills the entire rule of law.
viraptor•3h ago
> where we don't follow certain laws because we disagree with them, or do we follow all laws and try to change the ones we disagree with?

Neither. The laws are enforced based on how which group is affected. For example Elon also stayed in the US technically illegally, but he won't get handled the same way.

MisterSandman•4h ago
I think what ICE is doing is bad, but I do feel a bit annoyed with how the media is reporting this. They WERE misusing the B1 Visa a bit - at least that’s what the facts point to, and that’s the only reason they are sending workers back to Korea.

I understand why they did this (H1B is painful and a B1 visa may have been the only way to get people to train American factory workers), but it’s not like they were completely innocent. South Koreans were still treated with a lot more respect and dignity than almost any other ethnicity has been.

pbhjpbhj•4h ago
Respectful treatment amounts to shackling workers you invited over and parading them on TV. USA will get the isolation its leaders want. But shit, democracy fell so easily, it's mad y'all went fascist faster than Elon could throw a Nazi salute at an inauguration.
khuey•4h ago
It sounds like they had valid visas (or ESTAs), the question is whether they were allowed to do what they were doing on those visas. That question potentially has 475 different answers too, because there are certain sorts of what one would commonly refer to as "work" that are permitted on an ESTA or B-1 visa, so one would need to know the exact things each individual was doing to make an individual determination.

As for why they're pissed off, that seems obvious. If say Australia wanted to have a software engineering office, invited my employer to set up an office, my employer sent me over there to do something related to that telling me it was in accordance with the law, and then the Australia government arrested me, threw me in jail, and posted videos of this all over social media, I would be pissed off too.

jsnk•4h ago
I don't know much, but a little bit of critical thinking can easily help you understand what's really going on.

1. All these plant construction deals have due dates both on paper and off the paper. Build these by x date kind of deal in order to get x amount of support or tax cuts or regulation burden eased etc in these states. So these companies are trying to build these things ASAP.

2. Also these due dates are off the paper. When new leaders come in at federal, state or municipal, it always carries risk that some things will change and construction of it becomes difficult. Projects of this scale can be scrutinized and delayed to death because they are "illegal" because it can't fully satisfy million lines of legal clauses. It is possible because the political climate allows it. Even from Korea side, imagine new regime comes in from Korea side that tries to build ties with China, and they say we are reducing ties with US and you should ease development etc. These companies are then in negative by order of billions.

3. So time is of essence.

4. H1B would be the visa to get for these workers but it is gamed to death and these workers can't get them in time.

5. So both America side, and Korea side agree in an underhanded way to agree that these workers can come into work, build the plants and train the local workers ASAP.

6. Look at the recent interview by Trump where he even admits it is expected that workers need to come in fast to build these plants. So he's understanding of the situation. He's been a builder for his life. He know projects of these scale require a green light from the authority to work.

7. Trump is likely using this incident as a bargain chip for trade negotiations or ICE accidentally going pitbull on an unintended target

curseofcasandra•4h ago
> why they would feel betrayed

South Korea is essentially a U.S. vassal state, so there’s an expectation that ICE wouldn’t be as brutal to them as say, if they were Venezulans.

Kranar•4h ago
Visas can come with a bunch of rules attached to them about what you can or can't do in the host country, and those rules can get kind of tricky to properly interpret.
catigula•4h ago
Creating factories in America as a tariff loophole, likely using American taxpayer dollars and infrastructure, and then taking advantage of this to employ foreign labor and claim they have "special guy who welds together a car door skills", is pretty disturbing and emblematic of how stark a failure it is to pour public funding into/for private companies and demand no state stake.

If Google, or Hyundai, get special privileges and resource investment from the state, the state should have an ownership stake in these companies. This is known to most countries and isn't particularly controversial.

taylodl•4h ago
Construction began in early-2023. Unless Hyundai has a crystal ball allowing them to see the future then this wasn't a tariff loophole.
catigula•4h ago
Protectionist measures existed in the US economy well prior Trump's recent term as president.
axus•4h ago
> A Savannah labor union leader said local unions have complained that Hyundai and its contractors were improperly using South Korean workers for basic construction that falls outside the visa waiver rules.

I'm glad there's some small way the US people benefitted from this action. Overall it's insane; did they try an ultimatum with lawyers, and an agreement to send everyone home, before sending in the helicopters?

phendrenad2•4h ago
I think the problem is, by the nature of being undocumented, it's hard to prove that these people are working illegally. I guess you could send in the FBI and put spy cams all over the facility, use facial recognition to identify improperly documented workers, tail them to their homes, and pick them up there. In fact, I'm probably more in favor of that kind of thing. Big sloppy raids on brand-name companies just looks heavy-handed.
axus•3h ago
According to the article they are documented, have B-1 temporary business visas. The employees don't know US law and are following the companies instructions. The company directed them to perform work outside the scope of the visas.

It's the company that's at fault and should be the target of enforcement; do that and the employees have no reason or desire to stay in the US.

rconti•4h ago
Of course not; that would be a measured approach that would attempt to address the actual problem, rather than an insane shock and awe move designed to get headlines.
wmeredith•4h ago
Reading the article it looks like the workers in question were here legally with visas and they were getting the plant online to train US workers. Isn't this exactly what was asked for? WTF is this administration doing literally putting these people in chains?
scotty79•4h ago
Also the deal they get is to leave the country now and be banned for extended period or stay in detention (a prison basically) and await a hearing that will happen no sooner than in months. They have few days to decide which option they choose.
Simulacra•4h ago
From the article: "While neither government has revealed details about all the workers’ visas,"
marcosdumay•3h ago
The only way to interpret this is that there's nothing at all wrong with the workers' visas.

If there were any tiny detail wrong, it would be revealed.

StefanBatory•4h ago
My take from it is, why the workers are punished for their leadership?

One ought go after them, but instead it's the workers that will take the blame, and leadership will go business as usual. You can't say that higher-ups didn't know what was going on, getting them there.

phendrenad2•4h ago
I'm not 100% sure that Hyundai (and/or the bosses who "oopsied" the paperwork) won't face consequences for this. The law is (famously) slow, ICE is fast. Give it time.

As a sidenote, the fact that this happened in the middle of tariff negotiations with South Korea probably was used as leverage to get more for the US, so Hyundai is probably going to get heat from the South Korean government over this gaff.

scotty79•4h ago
I don't think they were there illegally. But to determine that they'd now need to spend months in prison awaiting a hearing.

They are being punished for the leadership of US.

orwin•4h ago
I knew there were pictures of that, but it was intentional? You tell me your police put foreign people in chains, took pictures without blurring anything, and posted them? It wasn't a leak?

Everything is dumb, but i think this is the worst. Who thought it was a good idea?

And the US union workers agree with this? Even if they were doing illegal work, they cheer seeing fellow workers getting in chains and publicly humiliated i guess? Because of course that's the workers fault their company told them to go work there? Are they dumb?

Sorry i really like your country (well, The Appalachians and the Sierras) but wtf are you doing?

Exoristos•4h ago
Yes, it's true, Americans prefer to be employed.
fhdkweig•3h ago
Now that management are pulling all their Korean workers out and not finishing the plant, how did that work out for the Americans who preferred to be employed? ICE fucked that whole small town. That town was going to have that one industry and now it doesn't.
IncreasePosts•4h ago
The American union workers probably view the people who were detained as stealing jobs from them. They were (allegedly) only allowed to do certain work with their visas, and they were doing other work that was supposed to be for the union.
OGEnthusiast•4h ago
Interesting to see the tacit endorsement of these ICE raids by a local union leader:

> Christi Hulme, president of the Savannah Regional Central Labor Council, said unions that are part of her council believe Korean workers have been pouring cement, erecting steel, performing carpentry and fitting pipes. “Basically our labor was being given to illegal immigrants,” Hulme said.

So far in the US, most labor unions have generally been fairly left-wing, including being pro-immigration. Wonder how long that will last.

Molitor5901•4h ago
That makes a lot of sense actually. Unions prefer union workers. Many of the unions are major pushers of higher minimum wage laws because it makes it more feasible to pay a little more for a union worker, than a non-union worker.
Exoristos•4h ago
This is the kind of thing unions are for.
tokai•4h ago
Defending the quality of ones labour market against social dumping is pretty left-wing. Internationalism is not a prerequisite for the left, especially with trades unions that won out against industrial unionism and the internationalist idea of One Big Union a hundred years ago. Being pro-immigration is a liberal stance.
empath75•4h ago
Labor unions have never been especially pro-immigration as a group -- it's highly dependent on their membership and whether it is growing or shrinking and how and why it is growing or shrinking.

If you're a union that is largely concerned with preserving jobs and privileges in a shrinking industry, then there is a pretty good chance that you are going to be quite opposed to non-union immigrants coming in and "taking your jobs."

If you're a farm-worker union with a growing membership of immigrants, more concerned about adding new members and organizing than with preserving previous wins, you may be quite in favor of more immigration.

pmdulaney•4h ago
I don't understand why Trump wants to poke our best allies in the eye over minor issues. The South Koreans are world leaders in heavy industries, including ship building. We should be currying their favor, not alienating them.
mrexroad•4h ago
Headlines, not just single ethnicity (“see, we’re applying rules equally to all countries!”), and bargaining chip.
SilverElfin•3h ago
Agree. They should have worked this out privately instead of causing humiliation and losing the trust of South Korea’s own population. Trump made a similar mistake (arguably a much larger scale one) with India recently.
Sammi•6m ago
And Canada. And Mexico. And Denmark (and by extension the rest of Europe). Trump is speed running alienating all US allies.
sugarpimpdorsey•4h ago
I'm disappointed the union didn't bring out the giant inflatable rat.
lvl155•4h ago
I think many Asian companies underestimate how bad labor is in red states. It’s really a deal breaker for high skilled labor. You cannot teach or train these people. It’s cultural more than anything. There is a reason why they had to bring in their own labor for something not so high tech.
IncreasePosts•4h ago
It could also be a jobs program for Koreans. If the issue really was "we have to bring in our own labor", why couldn't they do it in the legally correct manner?
esjeon•4h ago
This one is where ICE’s operation is completely fair. Koreans have systemically abused ESTA on a massive scale for a long time. Korean companies treat ESTA as the de-facto business visa. US Homeland Security did tighten up the screening last year because of that, but the Korean government chose to do absolute nothing about it. No mention of ESTA & VISA issues was made during the recent US-SK summit meeting. Something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.

And I say all this as a Korean. This article is politically biased rather severely.

viraptor•2h ago
> This one is where ICE’s operation is completely fair.

The "completely" is going quite far given the treatment of them. They could be sent a notice ordering to stop work and leave. Or the employer could be told to start applying for visa updates or else. It's not like a skilled Hyundai worker on a temporary international work assignment is likely to run away and start an undocumented life in the US instead. It was a completely unnecessary show of force that also cost more than sending a few letters.

squarefoot•3h ago
Wondering if Hyundai being a Tesla competitor plays a role here.
agnosticmantis•3h ago
The ingroup circle of "we're not them (the outgroup), so we're safe" keeps getting smaller and smaller.