Edit: there's one open bet on a US recession in 2025 on Kalshi that's gone down to only a 5% chance. Sort of fascinating how it's exact opposite of what TFA is saying. I'd link but not sure if that's kosher.
I guess it's kinda like betting on who will win an election vs. betting on a candidate conceding an election. The odds aren't necessarily the same, even though they're (on paper) closely related events.
So 52%, not 93%, and I can't find a link to where UBS published this information.
But here are some other recent figures from UBS (or at least attributed to them):
2022-05-05: 0% https://www.ubs.com/global/en/investment-bank/insights-and-d...
2022-06-21: 40% https://finance.yahoo.com/news/odds-hard-landing-u-economy-2...
2022-08-30: 60% https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/ubs-raises-...
2023-07-19: Goldman Sachs says 20% https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/the-probabili...
2024-08-27: 25% https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/ubs-wealth-management-rai...
I think the number is largely useless, and this article is even moreso.
Something else most forget is that during the low (or real negative) interest rate time of the 2010s, plenty of talk about how more inflation was desired surfaced from time to time.
As others point out though, the US is a big country, with regions of economic activity. The more I learn about it, the less I know
Then perhaps they can just make a program that emits the exact probability at any time - and emit a chart like polymarket's
more likely bias.
Given this bonkers market, even if 100% of the world recognized the US was in recession, I am not sure what you can predict would happen.
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TVC-DXY/?matchtype=e&tim...
https://www.morganstanley.com/insights/articles/us-dollar-de...
Actually, you're already a little late on this. Gold is up almost 40% in 2025 but most observers seem to think it still has room to run.
Basically, we have a perfect storm of economic idiocy brewing on multiple fronts and gold and commodities are likely to be one of the few safe havens.
Capital is fleeing the US and not only can the Fed not stop it but it is under political pressure to accelerate it.
Things will probably get worse before they get better and I'm not sure that there's much most people can do about it anyway besides giving up and buying Labubus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1O6bN2zWSM)
What is the point in a discussion if no one reads the actual article?
Why 0.5 and not 0.4? Why three-month averages and not four? There are some free parameters that have clearly been fit to make the graph look good historically, and having been proposed in 2019, it has successfully identified one recession, which literally any other indicator also would have identified. Frankly there's a very high likelihood that it's over-fit. I'm guessing after it fails to adequately identify the start of the next recession, economists will want to replace it with one that was made 1 year before that recession, being over-fit even more. Note that these gray regions have clearly been post-hoc altered: the chart pretends that the Sahm Rule would have identified the 2008 recession as starting in Dec 2007, but that's not +0.5 over the min of the last 12 months; that doesn't happen until April 2008. Why did they move the gray box back 4 months? They're basically lying about what their metric would have shown at that time.
I was going to say it successfully "predicted" one recession, but: did it? In 2020, the U3 was at 0.0 in Feb, 0.3 in March, and 4.0(!) in April. You just said that based on this indicator, we are "nowhere close" to a recession. You could easily have said that in Feb or even March of 2020, so "nowhere close" could be as little as one month, or the smallest unit of time this metric considers.
There is no way to say whether we are close to a recession or not using this metric. The absolute value of the y-axis has nothing to do with it: the 1981 recession is identified as starting from a trough of -0.13. The current trend has nothing to do with it: the 1981 recession started immediately after a huge downward trend. A long period of stability ~0% doesn't mean anything (2001, 2020). A period of volatility doesn't mean anything (~1963, ~1986 -- volatility with no recession). All that matters is what the rate of increase is just about to be. So it doesn't make sense to say we are "nowhere close" -- the current value and recent history of this number seem to have almost no bearing whatsoever on when unemployment suddenly spikes. The spikes come out of nowhere. This is not a leading indicator at all: the best it can do is look at a terrible jobs report and say "looks like the recession has already started boys", which is what everyone else would say too if unemployment spikes by 2% in one month. It gives absolutely no information about whether one is about to start next month or not.
toomuchtodo•4mo ago
https://fortune.com/2025/09/02/recession-probability-93-perc... | https://archive.today/AYnNH