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Xiaomi 17 series arrives with secondary screens and enormous batteries

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Artificial Intelligence in Team Dynamics: Who Gets Replaced and Why?

https://www.nber.org/papers/w34259
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Just-in-time and distributed task representations in language models

https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.04466
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The Box Model: A Framework for Role Clarity

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The Making of a Market Maker

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The Harvard-Emory ECG Database

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Cloudflare Data Platform: ingest, store, query data directly on Cloudflare

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-data-platform/
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Stop Chasing FAANG Pedigree: Why Early Teams Need Builders

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1•niksmac•8m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Roundtable MCP, Orchestrate Claude Code, Cursor, Gemini and Codex

https://github.com/askbudi/roundtable
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What Engineers Taught Me About Selling

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Anthropic CPO Admits They Rarely Hire Fresh Grads as AI Takes over Entry-Level

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Kimi Ok Computer (Agent Mode)

https://twitter.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/1971078467560276160
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Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime

https://oxfordeagle.com/2018/05/09/show-me-the-man-and-ill-show-you-the-crime/
3•empressplay•13m ago•1 comments

Synesthetic: A visual and audial synth in one web app

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Ask HN: What programming podcasts or newsletters do you follow?

1•kevinyh•18m ago•1 comments

Why Do People Hate?

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/cifar-why-do-we-hate-1.7569012
2•erikhopf•18m ago•0 comments

Millions of Americans Are Becoming Economically Invisible

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ECGFounder: An Electrocardiogram Foundation Model Built on over 10M Recordings

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Stanford, Columbia Risk Getting Hit by Trump's $100k H-1B Fee

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The Dangers and Molecular Mechanisms of Excess Folate(2023)

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1•yutasato•21m ago•0 comments

VR Headsets Are Better Than Ever and No One Seems to Care

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5•CharlesW•22m ago•2 comments

Building the Next Generation of Physical Agents with Gemini Robotics-ER 1.5

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Generalized Orders of Magnitude

https://github.com/glassroom/generalized_orders_of_magnitude
2•RKlophaus•23m ago•0 comments

Hofstadter's Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstadter%27s_law
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PostgreSQL doesn't use ticketing system for bugs/issues and rely on mailing list

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Industrial Robot Controller from Scratch [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBtIB9mVzEI
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Shoes, Algernon, Pangea, and Sea Peoples

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Musk's xAI accuses rival OpenAI of stealing trade secrets

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4•giuliomagnifico•26m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Microsoft blocks Israel's use of its tech. in mass surveillance of Palestinians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/25/microsoft-blocks-israels-use-of-its-technology-in-mass-surveillance-of-palestinians
281•helsinkiandrew•1h ago

Comments

srameshc•1h ago
> Microsoft told Israeli officials late last week that Unit 8200, the military’s elite spy agency, had violated the company’s terms of service by storing the vast trove of surveillance data in its Azure cloud platform

You can spy but data is all mine.

sionisrecur•1h ago
What's the protocol when a client stores data that violates their terms of service? Delete it immediately? Retain it until the client can retrieve a backup? Deny access until they sign a new contract?
IlikeKitties•29m ago
I suspect that really depends on the content. What does Microsoft do when it's CSAM? They can't legally posses it but can't legally delete it because that would be destroying evidence. I'm sure there's a process.
Cenk•1h ago
> 11,500 terabytes of Israeli military data – equivalent to approximately 200m hours of audio – was held in Microsoft’s Azure servers in the Netherlands
Aeolun•42m ago
It bothers me more that it was held in the Netherlands than that it was held on Azure servers.

It’s a fucking disgrace to any government to be facilitating anything like this, and the Netherlands seems extra complicit.

dh2022•38m ago
What makes you think Netherlands government knows what data resides within its borders?
Aeolun•35m ago
I don’t necessarily expect them to know what resides within their borders, I merely expect them to act against atrocities. It is no accident that all this data was located in the Netherlands.
jfengel•22m ago
Would it have been different elsewhere in Europe?
bilekas•36m ago
But why do you think the Netherlands govt was in anyway involved in this? I host some bsremetal in the Netherlands but I don't need to report to the government what I store..
dh2022•39m ago
I wonder why IDC choose the Netherlands location. Microsoft has one Azure region in Israel itself: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/reliability/regions-...
honeycrispy•37m ago
Safer from ballistics
smileybarry•33m ago
The Israel Azure region wasn't launched until 2023, and AFAIK has substantially less services available than the others. I know Google's Israel region doesn't have as many GPU options, for example.
AlfredBarnes•27m ago
Why build something near or semi near conflict?
serialNumber•14m ago
Valid question, but just look at the huge amount of R&D / the tech companies in Israel. Even if it’s near conflict, I don’t think companies care
ballenf•25m ago
How much would the bill be for this?
tiahura•1h ago
A little more surveillance might have prevented Oct 7.
n1b0m•1h ago
A lack of surveillance wasn’t the problem. It was not believing the intelligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/israeli-milita...

mrits•56m ago
Such a Monday quarterback's perspective. There is always plenty of intelligence to suggest there will be an attack
yamazakiwi•45m ago
The amount of intelligence to suggest there will be an attack on specific places at specific times is contextual and not comparably equal.

Every time I hear or read that expression, I stop taking the comment seriously because it attempts to shut down dialogue with a cute, esoteric phrase instead of fostering a discussion about a serious retrospective.

nemomarx•1h ago
Not moving troops and police away from the border might have prevented Oct 7th. I think they were more focused on the West Bank at the time.
buyucu•1h ago
Egyptian intelligence alerted Israel before October 7. Israel chose to let October 7 happen: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Israeli government wanted October 7 to happen, because they knew it would provide a good pretext for the genocide they wanted to commit.

ngruhn•29m ago
Of course. What else to expect from the lizard people.
Aeolun•18m ago
While I’m somewhat sympathetic to this argument, it is also abundantly clear that every time the Israeli army and government were given an opportunity to show restraint, they did the exact opposite.
lupusreal•12m ago
This kind of stuff might have worked on previous generations, but it doesn't work anymore. Around the world and even in America, right and left, young people are recognizing Israel for what it is. There's no turning back, in another generation Israel's apartheid government will have met the same demise of the same in South Africa and Rhodesia.
emsign•56m ago
Or following up the reports of suspicious behavior in Gaza by your own IDF border troops days before the terror attack.
codeulike•1h ago
“I want to note our appreciation for the reporting of the Guardian,” [Microsoft’s vice-chair and president, Brad Smith] wrote, noting that it had brought to light “information we could not access in light of our customer privacy commitments”. He added: “Our review is ongoing.”

Its interesting that they seem to be saying they dont know the full details of how their customers are using Azure, due to privacy commitments.

AnonymousPlanet•1h ago
It could also mean "now that someone else has seen it, we can finally act on what we have only privately seen but couldn't admit seeing"
scuff3d•56m ago
More likely MS was well aware of what was going on and didn't care until the Guardian forced their hand.
ms7m•53m ago
> The disclosures caused alarm among senior Microsoft executives, sparking concerns that some of its Israel-based employees may not have been fully transparent about their knowledge of how Unit 8200 used Azure when questioned as part of the review.

Highly likely, or at least a bit naive -- Completely reasonable to have local staff for a contract this big, but Microsoft should have independently 'double-checked' sooner

scuff3d•39m ago
The head of that Israeli unit met directly with the CEO of MS. I don't buy a second the execs at MS didn't know what was going on. Blaming the local contractors is just MS throwing people under the bus.

I've worked for big corporations for nearly 20 years, I've seen this more times then I can count. Higher ups always happy to turn a blind eye to a bad situation as long as it's making the company money, and then immediately throwing subordinates under the bus when it bites them in the ass.

AlfredBarnes•28m ago
A tale as old as time.
lazide•7m ago
If they weren’t intended to be thrown under the bus, they’d be called… superordinates? I guess?
lazide•8m ago
‘I’m shocked! shocked! that there is gambling in this establishment! This is unacceptable!’

‘Your winnings sir’

williamdclt•51m ago
I don't know if it's _true_, but it seems right? I don't want Microsoft to have this level of visibility into my usage of Azure, just like I don't want my phone provider to eavesdrop on my conversations. I'm no privacy ayatollah, but this seems like a reasonable amount of privacy from Microsoft
ngcazz•26m ago
Well, the average org isn't out there literally committing genocide
madaxe_again•24m ago
Privacy ayatollah? Is that like an infosec shah?
dudeinjapan•14m ago
Grand Mullah of GDPR Compliance
saghm•8m ago
Metadata monitoring messiah
lazide•10m ago
Data pope?
clort•10m ago
No, a Shah is a hereditary ruler (a King), whereas an Ayatollah is more like a Bishop (ie a religious leader, but not the top guy such as the Pope in Roman Catholicism)
Etheryte•47m ago
The whole point of confidential computing is that the cloud provider can't access your data and can't tell what you're doing with it. This is a must have requirement in many government contracts and other highly legislated fields.
IlikeKitties•32m ago
I've personally never seen anything requiring confidential computing in anything. Is this required in the USA? I find that hard to believe, because the technology on a cloud level is still very beta-feeling. I think that Microsoft just never looked because they did not want to know.
braiamp•46m ago
That comment is... weird, considering they disabled the accounts of certain International Court of Justice that were individually targeted.
lazide•6m ago
The reality is that no one can tell whose ass it is safe to kiss now a days, so it’s all scandal driven actions. Unless someone can create a big enough scandal, no one is going to do squat.
covercash•38m ago
Weird, pretty sure employees brought this to their attention a few times already…

https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-azure-gaza-palestine-is...

https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-azure-gaza-israel-prote...

https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-build-israel-gaza-prote...

https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-protest-employees-fired...

cl0ckt0wer•32m ago
If they act on information their employees report, they are violating their commitments.
sc68cal•23m ago
There have been public reports by major news organizations on the subject of Israel using big tech companies to surveil the West Bank and Gaza, for a decade. This isn't an issue of customer privacy.
meowface•15m ago
The difference is that pre-2023 it could at least have some plausible excuse of trying to detect terrorist activity. With Israel's current actions in Gaza, there is no longer any plausible excuse or defense for any security action Israel is conducting towards Palestinians.
mupuff1234•2m ago
Israel still very much faces major security risks so that "excuse" is still very much plausible

(not that it makes Israel's current actions any less terrible)

zamadatix•5m ago
Can anyone help clean up these sources/verify?

The first one seems to be after Microsoft's claim "and Microsoft has said it is reviewing a report in a British newspaper this month that Israel has used it to facilitate attacks on Palestinian targets".

The second one looks similar "Microsoft late last week said it was tapping a law firm to investigate allegations reported by British newspaper The Guardian".

The 3rd one seems to be a genuine example that Microsoft employees were reporting this specific contract violation concern - but I feel like there are more genuine examples I've heard of than just this one report.

The 4th one is a bit unclear, it seems to be a general complaint about the contract - not about specific violations of it.

Perhaps the more confounding question remaining is "what was so different about the report from The Guardian". It's not like these kinds of claims are new, or in small papers only, but maybe The Guardian was able to put together hard evidence from outside that allowed Microsoft to determine things without themselves going in breach of contract details?

kevin_thibedeau•38m ago
They should ask their Chinese engineers in charge of sensitive Azure servers.
filoleg•30m ago
That’s the best part, they cannot. Well, they technically can, but the answer from the company that runs chinese azure servers is gonna be “none of your business.”
nashashmi•4m ago
[delayed]
buyucu•1h ago
A small step, mostly for PR I guess, but still better than nothing.

There should be no tech for genocide!

hdlothia•1h ago
Kinda bullish for azure that the idf chose it over aws
igleria•43m ago
Not sure about that. To many companies or individuals, it might make them choose another provider. Unless... they already are Azure customers, in which case they might probably want to avoid the cost of moving from a cloud provider
tasn•41m ago
Israel (like many governments) is very Microsoft Windows centric, so if I had to guess it wasn't chosen due to technical merits but instead based on existing business relationships.

Note: I've used Azure and it sucks. :)

NooneAtAll3•26m ago
why would that imply bullying?
madaxe_again•22m ago
Bullish, as in, not bearish.
pbiggar•1h ago
It seems they're still supporting their contract with the IDF, which is committing a genocide in Gaza. Mass surveillance is bad but it seems they're fine with genocide.
zeroonetwothree•30m ago
Yes, I’m sure MS execs just wake up every morning gushing about genocide.
UtopiaPunk•11m ago
Well, they don't call it "genocide," that's crass. They call it ARR.
vFunct•1h ago
This will cause me to trust Microsoft more, but it looks like Israel will just move to super-zionist Oracle or Google to store all the mass surveillance data of Palestinians.

Israel really loves their databases. During the pre-Israeli Zionist era, European Jews maintained files on every Palestinian village to indicate who should be targeted during the attack and invasion of Palestine.

baobun•1h ago
More likely AWS, according to OP. I bet Bezos won't mind EU reputation as much. But I bet the IDF hedge their bets.
throw744849599•34m ago
IBM has a long tradition to provide computers for such use cases ;)
skinkestek•7m ago
You’re comparing an industrial, continent-wide genocide of millions to a very limited war—one that was started by the same people you claim are being "genocided."

And let’s be clear: the current suffering could stop tomorrow if they simply:

- Released (or even just declared intent to release) the hostages they’re still holding

- Admitted that October 7th wasn’t a “fantastic start,” but a horrific mistake they regret

petesergeant•1m ago
> the current suffering could stop tomorrow if they simply

Who is the "they" in this sentence, exactly?

_blk•1h ago
Seems to be fairly equivalent to ABC pulling Kimmel and reinstating it a few days later.
aaomidi•1h ago
After they fired how many protestors?
pbiggar•1h ago
There was an interesting point in the earlier article on this, where Microsoft tried to push their Israeli employees under a bus. They claimed their Israeli employees had lied to them about the use of Azure for war and civilian harm because they held more allegiance to their army than to Microsoft.

Now obviously, this was a lie, but the implication is staggering: Microsoft can't trust it's own employees in Israel, and believes they're lying to the mothership! And if microsoft can't trust them, surely no one else should either!

jajuuka•58m ago
Wow, they actually are pulling back. That is really surprising. Wonder if they see the winds changing on this issue and want to get on the right side of history. Big props to everyone at Microsoft who spoke out about this and risked or lost their jobs because of it. They kept that fire lit on their ass.
slantedview•56m ago
Last week a UN human rights commission found that Israel is carrying out a genocide. I think you're right that the winds have changed and now companies will shift their positions.
mrits•53m ago
Maybe we should reserve the word genocide for situations where one side doesn't have the capability to kill all the civilians if they wanted to but choices not to. We saw far worst situations committed by the allies in WW2 by fire bombing entire cities.
computerex•50m ago
The word genocide has a legal definition, it’s not up for discussion or debate. What is happening in Gaza is a genocide according to genocide scholars.
glenstein•43m ago
It is perhaps important, also, for genocide scholarship to survey the ways proponents rotate through various forms of apologetics. Not that I would wish it to be the case but the last few years are rich in case studies for how people debate and communicate about genocide, and it's attempts to muddy definitional waters that make it so important to have strong scholarship and scholarly consensus.

A long way of agreeing with your point, I suppose.

jajuuka•18m ago
It definitely depends on the proximity to the genocide itself. Plenty of Americans easily call what happened with the Uyghurs in China a genocide. And if they know about, the genocide in Sudan a genocide as well. But when it comes to Israel it's a real reluctance. Will definitely be interesting to see how this time is viewed through history. It's close enough to western culture that it will likely stick around and just be something that happened in a poor country that gets forgotten.
zeroonetwothree•32m ago
Legal definitions are often up for discussion and debate. That’s a large part of what lawyers do, in fact.

Anyway I have no comment on the specific claim being made here, I just really dislike it when discussion is stifled by saying “I’m right and no one can ever disagree”.

computerex•13m ago
That's like debating the definition of homicide or rape. There is no nuance here.
mrits•26m ago
This is a bit off topic but there isn't anything more debated in history than legal definitions. Maybe religious scripture?

I don't think you could have raised a weaker point.

serialNumber•12m ago
Also - many many institutions have declared that what’s happening is a genocide, and unfortunately that hasn’t changed anything. (Perhaps naive of me to believe that it would change anything)
skinkestek•14m ago
It shouldn't be.

But here we have UN and other twisting it to fit a situation that clearly weren't meant to be covered by it.

Because if the war in Gaza can be called a genocide so can almost every single other major war!

Also it is absolutely ridiculous to call a war that is started by one side, and one that only that side can end, a genocide against the same side that started it!

khazhoux•4m ago
I think the debate (/question) is whether it is Israel’s goal to eliminate the entirety of the Palestinian people. That does not seem to be the case, which is where the “not genocide” argument comes from.

Now I understand that the UN has specific criteria, etc. But the most famous genocide was the systematic execution of millions in gas chambers. This is not akin to that, is what people are arguing.

rhetocj23•56m ago
Sentiment toward Israel outside of USA has changed.

The leaders of the developed nations of Europe have gone against Trump and publicly stated their recognition of Palestine.

some-guy•51m ago
It has changed quite a bit here in the US too, even among the Jewish population. Our synagogue is bery divided on this, mainly between the young and the old.
sieep•40m ago
Very true. I've gone on dates with a couple Jewish women over the past two or three years & they've all staunchly supported Palestine which surprised me a bit.
zeroonetwothree•31m ago
Your sample size of two surely is conclusive? lol
sieep•25m ago
I'm just speaking from my personal experience and don't mean to draw any conclusions about anything.
khazhoux•9m ago
I can understand your skepticism, but this is an example of what is termed “normal human conversation,” where people share their personal experiences. Quite often, one will find people sharing stories without the backing of statistical evidence.
Aeolun•31m ago
Why would that surprise you? I think the opposite opinion is a lot more surprising.

One in every 50 children in Gaza was killed by the Israeli military. That’s like killing a child in every second classroom in the US…

sieep•24m ago
That's a fair point. My gut reaction is that people will default to tribalism, but I think this has been a different situation than most others (and going on a lot longer).
sa501428•21m ago
Why is it surprising?

Fwiw my Jewish friends have also been quite vocal in opposing Netanyahu/Likud, usually more vocal than Muslim friends.

madaxe_again•20m ago
My boomer Jewish stepmother surprised me when I saw her recently - complete U-turn from last year’s “all Palestinians are human animals” to “Netanyahu is a war criminal”.
lkey•16m ago
The statistics bear this out, millennials on down are very against this. Within the last year a true overall majority of the American Jewish population are opposed to what Israel is doing to Gaza. I expect this trend to continue. The truest supporters of Israel in America have always been Christian (for both insane and cynical reasons).
throwaway3060•3m ago
Do you have a source for this?
leosussan•50m ago
Honestly, big respect to the big M.
moogly•50m ago
No one left to surveil, I guess.
oefrha•37m ago
Military spy agency involved in ongoing war stores 11.5PB of data, Microsoft commissioned external review founds no evidence that military spy agency is using said data to target and harm people, only to backtrack after media breaking more project details? Come the fuck on. What’s the point of these performative external reviews? Just thugs hired to say whatever their customer wants them to say.
sharpshadow•35m ago
It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.
barbazoo•24m ago
And their own datacenter!
skinkestek•22m ago
If an innocent person is beaten to pulp one might be justified in demanding justice.

If a person is beaten to pulp after breaking into the neighbors house, raping the daughter and her visitor, and taking the son hostage and refuse for almost two years to tell where they are held hostage while occasionally sending pictures of them starving and being forced to dig their own graves, then I am not so sure anymore.

Justice means supporting the most innocent part, not supporting the part who has been beaten most badly most recently.

If not should we also have rewarded the nazis for being bombed a lot towards the end of WW2?

cowpig•12m ago
You are thinking of "Palestinians" as a collective group, synonymous with a group of extremists who have done horrible things

Just as most of the citizens of Iran are victims of an Islamic totalitarian government, just as many Germans were victims of the fascist dictatorship that took hold of their nation, most human beings living near the southeast bit of the Levantine Sea are victims of actions outside their control.

They're collectively paying the price for horrific violence on both sides of an ugly, tragic conflict that they have no power over.

Giving those victims some sovereignty and peace would not be "rewarding" extremists, it would be taking a tiny step towards sanity.

tdeck•11m ago
You seem to be unaware of all the Palestinian hostages Israel has been taking for decades. Thousands of people locked up without trial or charges, many of them children. Please educate yourself.
skinkestek•4m ago
You don't see the difference between imprisoning people that attack you and taking care of them (mostly, exceptions sadly exist)

and storming a music festival and houses to abduct completely innocent teenagers and even toddlers to use them for leverage?

Honestly?

thrownawayohman•9m ago
“Now imagine this scenario and ignore everything else that’s happened for the last 60-70 years and oh yeah, don’t mention the current genocide.”
saghm•4m ago
The article is discussing "mass surveilance" of millions of phone calls per day. Whatever scenario you're trying to describe isn't at all reflective of what's being discussed here.
RajT88•3m ago
Other commenters are right, but I'll point out another fallacy you're pushing here.

The current situation is like somebody commits a murder. Then the community rounds up a posse and goes out to kill the murderer. Then kill the murder's family, their neighbors, the residents of the next neighborhood over, raze the neighborhoods and then take all the land for themselves.

Justice means penalizing the guilty parties, not everyone in their geographical/social group. Your definition of Justice is leaky.

lupusreal•20m ago
Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.
vkou•12m ago
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it.

It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.

lupusreal•8m ago
They have been deliberately displaced by Israeli's apartheid government giving Jewish people around the world a "right to return" to Israel. Except unlike the Palestinians, they were never from Israel in the first place so the term "right to return" as used by Israel is nothing but colonialist propaganda.

Undoing colonialism isn't colonialism.

lazide•4m ago
It’s all just the ‘hopes and prayers’ of the left anyway. When someone doesn’t give a damn (like Israel right now), all the public shaming is just another version of the UN’s strongly worded letter.
throwforfeds•8m ago
Honestly can't tell if this is satire or not.
bhouston•34m ago
Good on Microsoft! This is really amazing.
baobun•32m ago
All: Please actually read the article before posting conclusions based on the headline or a quick skim. Most of this thread is confused.
lupusreal•29m ago
Wow! This is fantastic news, I wouldn't have bet on Microsoft ever doing something like this. I pray it's just the start and other American companies start to do the same.
politelemon•26m ago
I am seeing several kneejerk "Microsoft bad" reactions here, which HNers don't do for many other companies. I encourage many of you to read what is written.

They listened to their internal staff and stakeholders and public pressure, and did terminated the contract instead of ignoring it or doubling down.

That is a good thing.

n1b0m•16m ago
They fired staff who protested against the firm’s ties to the IDF.
sugarpimpdorsey•9m ago
That's a funny way to say "they fired staff that vandalized company property, broke into the CEO's office, and used an internal company website to publish and promote company-hating propaganda".

That will get you fired from bussing tables or washing dishes, let alone a six-figure job at MS.

nashashmi•7m ago
[delayed]
n1b0m•5m ago
Source?
evolve2k•11m ago
Yes it’s a good thing AND we don’t need to be celebrating companies when they finally do the bare minimum.

Nobody with any semblance of ethical, just or just plain being a basic good corporate citizen would say.. oh yeah mass surveillance of the comms of a whole population for money is in any way acceptable or ok. This shouldn’t be a tech side note this should be a total meltdown front page scandal. What a disgusting abuse of power by all involved.

bhouston•2m ago
> Yes it’s a good thing AND we don’t need to be celebrating companies when they finally do the bare minimum.

I think we should give props here. This is an important step forward. Thank you Microsoft!

nashashmi•5m ago
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bArray•25m ago
The issue that people have with Israel's actions is the death of civilians, not the death of Hamas, the widely recognised terrorist. I believe it also to be true that the IDF do not want to kill civilians, and that their target is only Hamas.

In which case, is it prudent to remove the IDF's ability to successfully target the correct people? Precise military intelligence is absolutely necessary for minimising civilian casualties.

roughly•20m ago
> I believe it also to be true that the IDF do not want to kill civilians, and that their target is only Hamas.

I think it’s this second assertion that relies on facts not in evidence. Previous Guardian reporting on IDF use of compute for targeting indicated they were using it to increase, not decrease, the number of approved targets.

DSingularity•19m ago
Israel claims that they “don’t want to kill civilians” but historically have not substantially changed course when the killings became grotesquely excessive. It’s also arguably true that they have never even sincerely investigated any issues.

Israel just gets more aggressive in the murder and bombing.

rozap•17m ago
[edited to remove snark] there is a ton of evidence to the contrary, that the killing of civilians is intentional and systematic. that's why the ICC (finally) determined it is a genocide.
oulipo2•18m ago
Too little too late, but anything we can do to stop this genocide...