It’s a fucking disgrace to any government to be facilitating anything like this, and the Netherlands seems extra complicit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/israeli-milita...
Every time I hear or read that expression, I stop taking the comment seriously because it attempts to shut down dialogue with a cute, esoteric phrase instead of fostering a discussion about a serious retrospective.
Israeli government wanted October 7 to happen, because they knew it would provide a good pretext for the genocide they wanted to commit.
Its interesting that they seem to be saying they dont know the full details of how their customers are using Azure, due to privacy commitments.
Highly likely, or at least a bit naive -- Completely reasonable to have local staff for a contract this big, but Microsoft should have independently 'double-checked' sooner
I've worked for big corporations for nearly 20 years, I've seen this more times then I can count. Higher ups always happy to turn a blind eye to a bad situation as long as it's making the company money, and then immediately throwing subordinates under the bus when it bites them in the ass.
‘Your winnings sir’
https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-azure-gaza-palestine-is...
https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-azure-gaza-israel-prote...
https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-build-israel-gaza-prote...
https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-protest-employees-fired...
(not that it makes Israel's current actions any less terrible)
The first one seems to be after Microsoft's claim "and Microsoft has said it is reviewing a report in a British newspaper this month that Israel has used it to facilitate attacks on Palestinian targets".
The second one looks similar "Microsoft late last week said it was tapping a law firm to investigate allegations reported by British newspaper The Guardian".
The 3rd one seems to be a genuine example that Microsoft employees were reporting this specific contract violation concern - but I feel like there are more genuine examples I've heard of than just this one report.
The 4th one is a bit unclear, it seems to be a general complaint about the contract - not about specific violations of it.
Perhaps the more confounding question remaining is "what was so different about the report from The Guardian". It's not like these kinds of claims are new, or in small papers only, but maybe The Guardian was able to put together hard evidence from outside that allowed Microsoft to determine things without themselves going in breach of contract details?
There should be no tech for genocide!
Note: I've used Azure and it sucks. :)
Israel really loves their databases. During the pre-Israeli Zionist era, European Jews maintained files on every Palestinian village to indicate who should be targeted during the attack and invasion of Palestine.
And let’s be clear: the current suffering could stop tomorrow if they simply:
- Released (or even just declared intent to release) the hostages they’re still holding
- Admitted that October 7th wasn’t a “fantastic start,” but a horrific mistake they regret
Who is the "they" in this sentence, exactly?
Now obviously, this was a lie, but the implication is staggering: Microsoft can't trust it's own employees in Israel, and believes they're lying to the mothership! And if microsoft can't trust them, surely no one else should either!
A long way of agreeing with your point, I suppose.
Anyway I have no comment on the specific claim being made here, I just really dislike it when discussion is stifled by saying “I’m right and no one can ever disagree”.
I don't think you could have raised a weaker point.
But here we have UN and other twisting it to fit a situation that clearly weren't meant to be covered by it.
Because if the war in Gaza can be called a genocide so can almost every single other major war!
Also it is absolutely ridiculous to call a war that is started by one side, and one that only that side can end, a genocide against the same side that started it!
Now I understand that the UN has specific criteria, etc. But the most famous genocide was the systematic execution of millions in gas chambers. This is not akin to that, is what people are arguing.
The leaders of the developed nations of Europe have gone against Trump and publicly stated their recognition of Palestine.
One in every 50 children in Gaza was killed by the Israeli military. That’s like killing a child in every second classroom in the US…
Fwiw my Jewish friends have also been quite vocal in opposing Netanyahu/Likud, usually more vocal than Muslim friends.
If a person is beaten to pulp after breaking into the neighbors house, raping the daughter and her visitor, and taking the son hostage and refuse for almost two years to tell where they are held hostage while occasionally sending pictures of them starving and being forced to dig their own graves, then I am not so sure anymore.
Justice means supporting the most innocent part, not supporting the part who has been beaten most badly most recently.
If not should we also have rewarded the nazis for being bombed a lot towards the end of WW2?
Just as most of the citizens of Iran are victims of an Islamic totalitarian government, just as many Germans were victims of the fascist dictatorship that took hold of their nation, most human beings living near the southeast bit of the Levantine Sea are victims of actions outside their control.
They're collectively paying the price for horrific violence on both sides of an ugly, tragic conflict that they have no power over.
Giving those victims some sovereignty and peace would not be "rewarding" extremists, it would be taking a tiny step towards sanity.
and storming a music festival and houses to abduct completely innocent teenagers and even toddlers to use them for leverage?
Honestly?
The current situation is like somebody commits a murder. Then the community rounds up a posse and goes out to kill the murderer. Then kill the murder's family, their neighbors, the residents of the next neighborhood over, raze the neighborhoods and then take all the land for themselves.
Justice means penalizing the guilty parties, not everyone in their geographical/social group. Your definition of Justice is leaky.
It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.
Undoing colonialism isn't colonialism.
They listened to their internal staff and stakeholders and public pressure, and did terminated the contract instead of ignoring it or doubling down.
That is a good thing.
That will get you fired from bussing tables or washing dishes, let alone a six-figure job at MS.
Nobody with any semblance of ethical, just or just plain being a basic good corporate citizen would say.. oh yeah mass surveillance of the comms of a whole population for money is in any way acceptable or ok. This shouldn’t be a tech side note this should be a total meltdown front page scandal. What a disgusting abuse of power by all involved.
I think we should give props here. This is an important step forward. Thank you Microsoft!
In which case, is it prudent to remove the IDF's ability to successfully target the correct people? Precise military intelligence is absolutely necessary for minimising civilian casualties.
I think it’s this second assertion that relies on facts not in evidence. Previous Guardian reporting on IDF use of compute for targeting indicated they were using it to increase, not decrease, the number of approved targets.
Israel just gets more aggressive in the murder and bombing.
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You can spy but data is all mine.
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