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Open in hackernews

Starmer says people will not be able to work in UK without digital ID

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwydl81dg13t
28•bookofjoe•1h ago

Comments

voidUpdate•1h ago
What's the benefit of this over a passport? A passport is a physical thing, so you don't need to have a phone to be able to use it, proves who you are with the same details as this digital ID, and will probably require a similar amount of paperwork to get hold of
skimojoe•1h ago
agree, seems pointless
lightwords•1h ago
You usually don't want to carry a passport with you at all times. In some European countries (e.g., the Nordics), you have your ID, driver’s license, firearm license, etc., all in a government app that can be verified with an app used by officials. You can also sign and authenticate all paperwork with the same system
matt-p•1h ago
Good for them, but I don't see why we need this, or indeed why that's a good thing?
netdevphoenix•59m ago
Easy and cheap regular checks on the spot presential or/and online, as frequently as you want vs rare scheduled difficult and expensive checks.

Possibilities get realised such as regular remote checks (ie selfie to prove you are the id owner holder, address proof, etc, flagging odd id holder behaviour or employer, etc). Currently, you cannot do this, no visibility into who works where and where that person even resembles the person meant to be working for [insert gig company].

matt-p•50m ago
I do selfie to prove I match my driver's license all the time (needed for app based banks, and so on)?

The government absolutely knows where I work, are you joking? That's what NI numbers are for. You seriously think there isn't a join table in a government database with my NI number and passport number?

netdevphoenix•41m ago
There are other workers in the UK aside from you. The policy affects them too not just you. You are getting the business requirements wrong. You are unlikely to be the main reason for the policy. Folks getting paid under minimum wage such as some gig workers using someone else's identity are the main target.
matt-p•26m ago
If they arrived here legally won't they have a passport? Or national photo ID at the very least? If they are driving for Uber or deliveroo then they'll have a driver's license too? If they don't have either (or a UK birth certificate) then it's safe to say they're not a legit citizen?

Who exactly are we solving for?

netdevphoenix•15m ago
> If they arrived here legally won't they have a passport? Or national photo ID at the very least? If they are driving for Uber or deliveroo then they'll have a driver's license too? If they don't have either (or a UK birth certificate) then it's safe to say they're not a legit citizen?

Simple. Overstaying or/and expired passport will lead to that. Valid status is not a fixed binary state. It is better described as a function of personal id, rights docs and current time. Currently, the checks are more akin to updating a Boolean column on rare occasions. Digital id countries do checks more like function calls that you can perform easily and quickly

matt-p•4m ago
RTW already requires ID plus NI, but OK what about if we just said 'free passports' and then said passport or driving licence plus NI is needed to get a job here. If you have a foreign passport and no UK driving licence then yes you'll have to keep that up to date in order to work here, c'est la vie.
michaelt•48m ago
To the extent this is technically possible, if the gig economy companies wanted to do this, they could do it already.

When the driver signs up, check their passport or driving license in the normal manner, and take a matching portrait you keep on file. Any time you want to, compare a selfie to the portrait on file.

Reason they don't do this is it's profitable to hire people who can't legally work in the UK, if they can get away with it - and the government lets them get away with it.

tdeck•1h ago
I use my passport to verify my right to work in the US during the first week of my job, and then I don't bring it any other time. So unless you're changing jobs very frequently it shouldn't be necessary to carry all the time. A bigger issue would be that many people do not have passports.
voidUpdate•59m ago
I would trust the Nordic governments to write an app to put on my phone and not slurp up all my data and spy on me with it. I can't say the same about the British government
richwater•54m ago
Denmark is the largest supporter of Chat Control
netdevphoenix•1h ago
Missing the point.

A passport is the universal identity document. It's way too valuable to carry around and expediting a new passport is costly and slow. Checks need to be done in person and the passport holder needs to be told in advance about the check (so impromptu checks don't work and expired passports get through, also catching fake passports and the like is hard).

A digital ID as its name says is digital, checks can be done remotely (as often as you want) in a secure environment with physical checks possible in addition to that. Regular and unscheduled checks are possible with a digital id after the initial check both presential and remote. Online checks especially can cover for things like the same id being used in multiple places, it also means employers cannot fudge it as the actual repository of truth lies online. None of this is possible with a passport.

Citizen IDs and more recently digital IDs have been used in Europe for decades now. Having a redundant piece of ID is incredibly valuable.

voidUpdate•1h ago
The government has been able to do checks on me using my passport number etc, like when I was getting my provisional driving license, so somewhere there is a digital version of it on a government server or something. Can't they just make that information available?

What impromptu checks would you need this ID for? The use cases I've seen for it are to make sure you are legal to work, and when renting a house, both of which are circumstances that you can be told about beforehand

netdevphoenix•52m ago
That is not what I mean. Doing checks using your passport number is not good enough . It only proves that you someone used your passport number for a job. It doesn't prove it's you. It doesn't prove that you didn't swap with someone else (worker proxy). A digital id is a token fully controlled that opens compliance possibilities that are not possible or financially feasible by using just a passport number because the government does not control the passport numbers of everyone (especially those for which this policy is intended).

Think: the ability to verify that the id owner's face resembles the face of the id holder. The ability to check that the id owner address matches that of the id holder. The ability to flag employers containing id owner employees regularly failing those checks. The ability to do this regularly without previous notice to the id owner at national scale remotely or in person is a level of compliance you will never get even halfway with just using a passport number.

voidUpdate•49m ago
The driving license application page pulled up my photo from giving it my passport number. That photo of me proves that I am the owner of that passport. I recently gave my work my passport information to prove that I was legal to work there. If we need a new system to prove that I am legal to work there, then how was it good enough to use my passport for that?
billyjobob•58m ago
The fact that the UK doesn’t allow “impromptu checks”, otherwise known as “Papers please!” is not a bug, it’s a feature that distinguishes our democracy from other states and we are pretty proud of it.
voidUpdate•56m ago
And in a situation where that is warranted (e.g. a traffic violation), you should probably have some form of proof of identification on you anyway
octo888•50m ago
Not required by law in the UK to have ID on you while driving. Works well enough (you have to produce it at a station within 7 days). I'm sure if it's serious enough, the police can force some other method
stevekemp•49m ago
In the UK you do not have to have your drivers license upon your person when driving a car. Usually you'll be instructed to present it to a nearby police station within a few days.
michaelt•45m ago
In the UK all cars have number plates front and rear, so that's covered already.
somelamer567•52m ago
That unfortunately can, and will change.

In times of war, civil liberties get curtailed. And in 2025 when Russian and Chinese bots are interfering in our democracy at an industrial scale to destroy our countries from within, the idea of identity being overlooked for all aspects of public life is looking increasingly untenable.

michaelt•41m ago
Do you believe these russian and chinese bots are walking the streets, where an 'impromptu check' by a policeman would stop them?

Or are you saying this electronic ID card will be linked to people's twitter accounts, to better police speech online?

FirmwareBurner•12m ago
Sorry but my own corrupt politicians and ruling business class are doing far more damage to my country than Russian ad Chinese bots.
netdevphoenix•47m ago
There is nothing undemocratic about checking whether you are compliant with employment regulations on a regular manner anymore than it is to check whether your gas installation is compliant with gas regulations or your voting registration is compliant with voting policy. It is completely orthogonal. You might not be in favour of a policy but that does not mean that the policy is undemocratic.
kypro•48m ago
One of the problems the UK has is that our two primary government IDs – driver licenses and passports – are not universally issued. Instead, these IDs have requirements and must be applied for at a cost, so not everyone has one.

This means when you want to implement things like the Online Safety Act you basically have to implement alternatives to ID verification like age estimators which isn't ideal (for the government anyway).

With a digital ID anonymous age estimators will no longer be required, so when someone is trying to watch porn or view footage of a political protest they'll have to identify who they are instead of using a fake AI face.

They don't have any real benefit over passports expect for the fact that a passport is a selectively issued document which not everyone living and working in the UK has access to or has applied for, but with digital IDs everyone will have one so there will no excuse to not identify yourself any time the government wants you to.

Hikikomori•38m ago
Can't use your passport online. In Sweden we have bank id, its used for everything from validating purchases, logging in to banks, government or other websites, to sign documents, get a loan, etc. To get it you would need to go to a bank and present a proper ID, the ones using bank id for auth or otherwise only get your name and personal number.
gattr•1h ago
> Stored on mobile phones, the ID would contain details including a name, date of birth, residency status and crucially a photo - which would distinguish it from National Insurance numbers.

Surely it will be possible to also store it on some government-issued, GCHQ-vetted digital device, and not rely on foreign companies (Google/Apple) and their locked-down mobile platforms?

masfuerte•52m ago
They've already said you won't need a mobile phone. They mention phones as a deliberate distraction from the fact that they will be building a huge central database.

I will be very surprised if the app does much more than dish up a pre-signed chunk of ID data, much like an e-passport does now. It won't actually need a secure device.

(Which isn't to say they will support anything except android and iphone.)

somelamer567•43m ago
Is there any particular reason why a UK central identity database is bad, while the French and Spanish central identity databases aren't a problem?
noelwelsh•1h ago
I don't think Kier Starmer understands that when people voted for Labour, they were, in fact, voting for Labour, not Reform / the Tories. This proposal at least has some merit (though it is not without issues) but trying to sell it as preventing illegal work is ludicrous, attempting to appeal to the right-wing votes who will never vote Labour, and giving control of the conversation to the Weasel in Chief, Nigel Farage.
robin_reala•1h ago
People vote for an idea of Labour that Labour in the last 25 years has not been able to live up to unfortunately.
Lio•59m ago
If he doesn't realise that then he probably also doesn't realise that all this dictatorship tooling he's installing is more than likely going to fall into the hands of Reform at the next election.

He'll have to live with the consequences as will the rest of us.

octo888•47m ago
The voters misunderstood too. How much evidence and examples from the period of 1997-2010 did people need? All a quick google away

A harsh lesson in believing the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Though mostly in the UK it's usually just apathetic "well time for the other party to have go" (due to 14 years of the last lot) more than anything more educated

Macha•44m ago
Their strategy seems to be that they think their left flank is secure and they need to pull to the right to secure Tory voters who are now at a crossroads with how diminished the Tories are. Will they go to Reform? Will they go back to the Tories? The Lib Dems? It seems that Labour think some of the toughness without the undertones that Reform often has might grab them some of their voters. Maybe the implosion of Your Party gives them a feeling of more security on the left flank.

But yeah, this abandonment of the issues they traditionally represented to try and attract the soft centre right voters might not cause their traditional base to vote for the Tories. But it might send their centrists to the Lib Dems, their lefties to the Greens/SNP/etc and their "I just want change, any change" supporters to Reform. Along with increasing apathy and reducing turnout on their former core. Polling certainly seems to indicate that this is happening.

matt-p•1h ago
So I currently have;

A National Insurance Card (needed to get a job), drivers license and passport, one of latter is also needed (in practice) to get a job.

Why would a brit card help us reduce the number of people working illegally?

The only notable 'employers' of illegal workers in the UK are American tech firms Uber and deliveroo (doordash) because they allow driver substitution without verifying that the substitute is legit. That should be made illegal and then fine them into the ground for anyone who slips through. Brit card doesn't help and is a distraction.

reactordev•1h ago
It has nothing to do with cards and everything to do with data.
notavalleyman•59m ago
But the person you're replying to, just explained to you, how the government already have the relevant data. So it's clearly not about data, because the government already issue his NINO and passport

Edit - I mean, just play it back in your head. The PM is probably watching small boat arrivals and reform polling numbers like a hawk. And here's his idea to fix both problems, and you're saying, actually no, the PM is just doing this to get data on where I go to work, even though they already have my PAYE details

Lio•53m ago
I think it's 100% about the data.

I beleive that Labour see this new ID system as the solution to all the age verification questions now required by the Online Safety Act. e.g. access to things like Reddit, BlueSky messaging, Spotify.

With that in mind I think new data you're talking about will be enhanced tracking and monitoring on everyday online activity of UK citizens.

motbus3•45m ago
I don't think it is only online. It is really a distopean future in US and UK right now.

I honestly understand the problem with immigration, but at the same time, I think this way of approaching the problem is just to create "the enemy" from 1984.

It seems that immigrants right now move something between 4B-10B a month in UK which is not a small number. Considering the costs elsewhere altogether, it seems quite small win for the risk.

astonex•13m ago
>It is really a distopean future in US and UK right now.

This ignores the fact that most of Europe and Asia already have national IDs

reactordev•2m ago
We all have national ID’s. It’s about having digital ID’s in a system they control.
matt-p•40m ago
I tend to agree, that or a big distraction/white elephant/dead cat.
motbus3•51m ago
I guess the guy above is right. It is about the data and the right to use your face and track you everywhere. This can be easily paired with that UK bonkers camera ai thing. They might not need to know who is illegal, but if the camera does not know you, you might need to explain yourself and show an id.

At the same time, I wonder how will they deal with people wearing burkas, masks, balaclavas etc

matt-p•47m ago
Government already have my photo for passport and driver's license, I struggle to believe that there's people here working who don't have at least a provisional license or passport of any kind.
motbus3•42m ago
Maybe they plan to ask Uber and deliveroo to authenticate the workers via facial recognition?
matt-p•29m ago
In order to drive a motorcycle or car you need a driving license which has photo ID?

Ok maybe you deliver by push bike.. but if you arrived here legally you will have a passport? If you didn't you ergo don't have the right to work here?

reactordev•15m ago
Outsourced to companies that don’t share data, which is why the government is requiring you to submit more data. How hard is this? Eventually they’ll have your DNA, Fingerprints, photos, family trees, employment history, money, spending habits, vices, travel locations, conversations, and your comings and goings via license plate readers.

Welcome to your future.

astonex•48m ago
A Brit can pass a RTW check without a drivers license or a passport - a paper birth certificate is also acceptable (and paper can be lost, damaged, forged), as neither a drivers license or a passport a mandatory. Getting those can be expensive for some people while this ID is free.

A NI number is not ID, it's a reporting number.

Lastly, a national ID is a tried and tested scheme in many, many countries and brings a lot of positives. The only "negatives" are slippery slope make-believe scenarios not based in reality.

https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work

matt-p•44m ago
I appreciate that, I decided to exclude it for simplicity because obviously not everyone working here was born here :)

I don't really understand why I need a Fourth (or Fifth)! National ID?

I don't really get the point on reporting number, true, but it's also a UID linked to a passport or birth certificate.

astonex•40m ago
You don't currently have any National ID. You have forms of ID, which others might not have, but none are national mandatory ID that every citizen and resident has. As such many benefits in streamlining and simplifying processes cannot be achieved when everyone has a UID as such. Imagine making a system where you used various ID formats, and you couldn't guarantee anyone had one in particular, and some people had none.

Your NI card literally says it's not identification. A NI number is not linked to a passport as it's not mandatory to have a passport, so that would not work for many people. It is just a number used for tax accounting.

matt-p•34m ago
Ok then 'Government issued [photo] ID' so what if it's not a 'national ID'? They have all the data they need to tackle this. You can't get a NI number without proving who you are, if the government don't trust NI numbers (which they are minting?) then they could simply re-issue them? That would be far far easier than a new national ID.
astonex•25m ago
>You can't get a NI number without proving who you are

That's not true either. You're sent your NI number just before 16 years old without providing anything.

Also, an NI number is just a number. There is no photo. How can you look at it and say it belongs to the person presenting it? And no you can't look up a passport or something in another system based on the NI number, because those other IDs aren't mandatory so the person might not have them.

The only way to really ID someone is to have mandatory photo ID, whether that be digital or not.

noelwelsh•35m ago
Now that ID is required for voting, it's reasonable that the government provides a form of ID, for free, to all citizens. Passports cost money and not everyone has one. Same for driving licenses. It should also streamline other government services.

I think it would be simpler to repeal the ID requirement for voting. I don't believe there is any evidence of widespread voting fraud, so it adds unnecessary cost. I certainly wouldn't try to sell the ID as preventing illegal work, which is obviously ludicrous.

michaelt•27m ago
> A Brit can pass a RTW check without a drivers license or a passport - paper birth certificate is also acceptable, as neither a drivers license or a passport a mandatory. Getting those can be expensive for some people while this ID is free.

This policy would absolutely sail through, with no controversy at all, if it had just been "free passports for all" reusing all the existing rules, existing IT and existing bureaucracy; and "Optional digital passport on your phone" for those who want that.

Why they're doing this in the most expensive, unpopular way possible - I have no idea.

anotherhue•13m ago
How are the consulting companies supposed to make money with that kind of attitude?
SoftTalker•58m ago
People already work illegally. They get paid cash, off the books. New forms of ID won't stop this.
pipes•58m ago
I genuinely think the next move will be using it as part of their age verification check. I am guessing they want it to be your online id. No more anonymous internet usage.

It is really grim what is happening to the UK. For the most part no one gives a shit. And if you do, you are automatically branded as "right wing".

voidUpdate•55m ago
Really? I've generally seen more people on the left giving a shit about government overreach etc
somelamer567•38m ago
> No more anonymous internet usage

And given the torrent of inauthentic "right wing" commentators nudging public opinion on the BBC's Have Your Say, the Daily Mail and Reddit, I'm not entirely sure this will be a bad thing.

Recall that Iran cut off the internet for university exams, and the volume of posting by Scottish pro-independence accounts on Twitter/X dropped 98%. Food for thought.

phendrenad2•58m ago
This is just wishful thinking. They're not going to make all of the farm workers, many of whom have difficulty reading ANY language (let alone English), download an "app" and install it on their phone.

"In 2024, a significant portion of the UK adult population, approximately 8.5 million people (1 in 6), struggles with reading and writing at a basic level, according to The Reading Agency's 2024 report"

Maybe they'll have an exception for people who are more migratory in nature. In that event, I think we'll get to see a nice real-world example of a cyberpunk-style dystopia. "High tech, low life". The upstanding citizens will be surveilled, preyed upon by corruption, and will be running on a social credit score treadmill designed to work them to death. Meanwhile, a plucky band of rebel farm workers, who are free to work outside the system, will bring down the establishment and bring freedom to all. Roll credits.

somelamer567•57m ago
HARD eye-roll at the libertarian scaremongering about this basic, sensible idea to tame the identity mess.

* I have half a dozen different ID numbers for various things like NI, NHS, drivers license, tax etc

* I also have a dozen different GOV.UK logins for various services.

* When need to provide strong proof of identity to AWS to reset a root password, I have to go to a notary and pay £200 for a signature and stamp and then scan the paperwork into an email.

The antis, as always, are clutching at straws. At what point does this stop being acceptable because of libertarian vibes and scaremongering about 'Big Brother' -- especially when most of the rest of the world has had ID cards for decades?

voidUpdate•54m ago
https://xkcd.com/927/
iamnothere•49m ago
I don’t own and refuse to purchase an iPhone or Android device. Where would that leave me? Fortunately I am not a UK citizen!

This effectively blocks development of mobile Linux as an alternative in the UK. It is already enough of a challenge to get people to try Linux phones without support for their favorite apps, and now it’s a requirement to own a US big tech pocket spy device? Absolutely absurd and Orwellian, and from the birthplace of Orwell no less.

astonex•18m ago
Orwell was born in India. You should learn a little about him before saying everything is Orwellian
photios•44m ago
> I have to go to a notary and pay £200 for a signature

So, you want to sell your freedom for 200 quid. That's fine, people have done it for less. Just be honest about it.

exe34•54m ago
Unlike the NI number, which you can't legally work without...
astonex•44m ago
This is not true. You can work without a NI number, you will just be given an emergency tax code. A NI number is not ID, it is a reporting number.

Your card literally says, "THIS IS NOT IDENTIFICATION"

dfedbeef•50m ago
Wanna bet lol
lelandfe•49m ago
I feel like governments worldwide are perennially musing “what if we could know what everyone is doing, all the time?”
somelamer567•46m ago
This is a natural and unfortunate consequence of crime and foreign aggression getting increasingly borderless. As the world gets smaller, and as more and more of the world's population knows about the outside world, the more badness we face.

Like it or not, our high-trust society is devolving into a low-trust society as the world opens up. Our defences must evolve -- and the current free-for-all needs to end.

octo888•35m ago
Perhaps the better solution is to stop opening up and make a concerted effort to return to a high-trust society, rather than destroy privacy and go full authoritarian polite-state?

Or must we absolutely must accept eg every Nigerian, Pakistani, Syrian, Afghan, Indian etc who has a fleeting desire emigrate, else our society will collapse?

motbus3•48m ago
Can anyone really point me out the real problem about the immigrants? How big is it compared to, for example the lack of funding of the NHS or the hyper funding of other initiatives such as war in Ukraine.

Or are those things somehow related? I would be crazily scared to know that immigrant care workers will leave NHS as most hospitals relies on them. The government already made clear they won't pay people more nor will give more benefits for NHS workers and I am quite sure not Brits will take those spots when Tesco express pays more for less hours of work with more benefits.

astonex•5m ago
>Can anyone really point me out the real problem about the immigrants?

This minimises the problem. The UK voters have consistently voted for reduced immigration, with polls showing the preferred number to be somewhere between 0-100,000.

In the last few years, the UK had around 1 million people net per year. 1 million people is bigger than most cities in the UK for comparison, so imagine a new city of people, every single year. The infrastructure could not, or did not keep up and has contributed to worse living standards through overly-subscribed national services, increased living costs, etc.

>for example the lack of funding of the NHS or the hyper funding of other initiatives such as war in Ukraine.

The NHS is already the single biggest expenditure of the UK's taxes. I remember it being more than 25% of the total budget. How much should be spent on the NHS? 50%? 90%?

The cost of defending democracy and freedom from a tyrannical Russia is also barely a drop in the bucket, while having huge meaning for many. Only 2% of the budget for the entire Armed forces, let alone just some support for Ukraine, compared to the 25+% on NHS. It's nothing.

GordonS•46m ago
It's quite possible that this whole digital ID thing is a red herring, to distract from recent revelations about Morgan McSweeney - who illegally took money from the Israel lobby, to fund a fake "antisemitism crisis" in Labour, with the goal of replacing Corbyn with Israel-aligned Starmer.

Some of the digital ID proposal documents published by UK gov even bear the "Labour Together" stamp - Labour Together being the Israel-aligned "think tank" that McSweeney used for the illegal funds!

octo888•42m ago
> Some of the digital ID proposal documents published by UK gov even bear the "Labour Together" stamp - Labour Together being the Israel-aligned "think tank" that McSweeney used for the illegal funds!

Wow straight out of the Tory playbook (see eg Rhys-Mogg "lying [down] in Parliament" to poison search results for lying to parliament). They are so incredibly similar

Hikikomori•43m ago
In Sweden we have bank id that you can optionally use as ID (new feature). But its mostly used to validate purchases, sign things, or login to banks, government websites or whatever website might use it to auth. It does not hand over all id information to the site that uses it to identify you, just name and personal number.
ChrisArchitect•22m ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45385092
einarfd•7m ago
If you look at the countries that are lauded at having the best online government services. They all have some type of digital ID.

Having something like that is imo. a cornerstone for building out top notch digital governmental services, and I don't fault the UK for trying to get this in place.

That being said, I'm not convinced it will be that much of a blocker for illegal workers. I'm sure they will find a way around it.