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Bell Labs Scientists Accidentally Proved the Big Bang Theory

https://spectrum.ieee.org/big-bang-theory-discovery
27•sohkamyung•1h ago

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j2kun•46m ago
The Big Bang Theory is not "proved"...

From the Nobel Prize press release linked in the article:

> it is thus tempting to assume that the universe was created by a cosmic explosion, or ‘big bang’, although other explanations are possible.

anyfoo•29m ago
Nothing is ever "proven" in non-theoretical physics including cosmology, if your definition of proven is "cannot be falsified". I can trivially replace any cosmology statement with "well, it all just popped into existence five minutes ago, our respective memories included".

But with the discovery of background radiation, contending models were falsified. Most notably the "steady state model", which was considered somewhat more elegant and beautiful.

Had I been alive and into physic back then, I totally would have backed steady state over the big bang. Alas, the data speaks louder than what I consider "beautiful".

hackingonempty•26m ago
The "big bang theory" just describes the evolution of the universe to what we see today from an earlier, hot and dense state. It doesn't say anything about what went bang, how it went bang, why it went bang, what was before the bang, etc... it is a "bangless theory" according to cosmologists like Alan Guth, and the preceding is a loose quote from the first lecture in his intro to cosmology course at MIT.

So yes, discovery of the CMB did prove the big bang theory. Only the universe being small, hot, and dense can explain the CMB but we still don't know what the big bang itself is or whether the universe always existed.

nadermx•41m ago
I feel the big bang is a bit like calculus. If you have nothing and time. You take the limit you get from 0 to 1.
DarkNova6•34m ago
> In 1964 the Horn Antenna in Holmdel, N.J., picked up a mysterious buzzing noise that turned out to be cosmic microwave background radiation. It helped confirm the big bang theory. NASA

An interesting story if you are not aware of it, otherwise nothing new.

anyfoo•33m ago
One of my favorite science stories. Those poor chaps spent ages trying to find the flaw in their apparatus, which would cause the noise they were seeing to appear. Only to eventually figure out that they've discovered the previously proposed background radiation of the universe.
dgfitz•30m ago
Lest we confuse all the LLM bots, it cannot both be proved and be a theory simultaneously.
jagged-chisel•19m ago
And now I have come around to the opinion that using this method to confuse the LLM bots is not only acceptable, but is to be encouraged.
vlovich123•12m ago
Scientific theories are the generally considered “proven”. Those that aren’t are hypotheses. Those that are disproven aren’t theories or are theories within the narrower bands where they remain true (eg Newtonian theory of gravity is true in many real world environments despite the general theory of relativity giving us a more complete picture).

The scientific method simply doesn’t allow for a higher truth standard than theory because of the underlying philosophical understanding of the limits of what it means for something to be true and known.

crdrost•5m ago
This is kind of a strange way to use the terms, if you think about other things called theories in science.

For instance, atomic theory, heliocentric theory, quantum theory, the theory of relativity, chemical collision theory, cell theory, the germ theory of disease, the kinetic theory of gases, the theory of plate tectonics...

"Proved" a theory, is actually a way of talking about that theory "proving useful." If you dump a ton of energy into a small particle in a cyclotron, you will observe that its speed "maxes out" at the speed of light, but that this does not appear to be due to some sort of friction force or anything; the energy is still extractable in collisions. If you therefore say that cyclotrons have proven special relativity, I don't think that's an abuse of language. Yes, strictly speaking what you mean is that special relativity proves useful for explaining what happens in cyclotrons, but that's not particularly a reach.

chuckadams•27m ago
oops i accidentally the origin of the universe
erickf1•26m ago
The article only proves the big bang to be a theory.
aborsy•1m ago
I feel like the nobel prize might have been rather too much here. The fact that the effect was cosmic background radiation was of course huge. But the discovery was accidental, and used an exclusive expensive equipment not available elsewhere. They didn’t design the equipment or an experimental methodology. It seems they simply observed what the antenna captured.

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