I don't understand the whole supplement culture to be honest... people do just fine without any of that.
Can't we just live as we are and not aim for some ideal only reachable through the use of synthetic substances?
_aavaa_•4mo ago
But why?
What is commonplace today would be considered synthetic decades ago. Look at the breed of plants we grow, animals we raise, and staple foods (cheese) we eat.
eulgro•4mo ago
That's not what synthetic means.
Even then, many would extend the unease I expressed to include some of the things you mentioned too.
freehorse•4mo ago
No it is not. Creatine and other substances are not synthetic either.
_aavaa_•4mo ago
By all means, define synthetic and explain why we should avoid “synthetic” foods.
com2kid•4mo ago
Creatine isn't synthetic, it is found in all sorts of natural foods. It is no more artificial than vitamin C.
> Can't we just live as we are and not aim for some ideal only reachable through the use of synthetic substances?
Insulated housing is a synthetic substance. I rather enjoy living with it.
Oh and cooked food. Huge advantage there.
All grains we eat are highly processed.
Even beef is dry aged.
Cheeses are processed as hell, just we use cultivated bacteria to do the work for us.
> people do just fine without any of that.
Tell that to someone who is vitamin B deficient.
Choline supplements are a huge help for the elderly, just across the board (with the exception of some people who do really bad with choline!)
soganess•4mo ago
I think you’re right. I’ve eaten vegan most of my life and take creatine to make up for the lack of it in my diet with no downsides. It gives me a little more energy for workouts and runs. I don’t look bigger or bulkier, just feel a bit sharper.
I also understand the discomfort with the culture of “optimize everything” and constant self-experimentation. Supplements like creatine get framed as steps toward some perfect, engineered version of ourselves, and that framing feels like a hangover of eugenics thinking. It causes an acute, if subconscious, aversion that can manifest in the cool dismal of your parent's comment.
That unease matters. Maybe if we were more objective we would say it should not matter, but it does. And, while I often just ignore it, I am not sure I want to fully let go of it yet.
SkyPuncher•4mo ago
Different people have different body chemistries. For many people, these supplements can help provide something their body might lack or process differently than other people. In many ways, it's no different than drugs (like medications). The actual line is really just an artificial boundary put in place by regulatory bodies.
I know I've seen _major_ life improvements with the addition of a few key supplements.
whycome•4mo ago
Those insulin supplements!
(Yes, most insulin is now synthetic).
steve1977•4mo ago
So you wouldn‘t use glasses if you were shortsighted either?
eulgro•4mo ago
Can't we just live as we are and not aim for some ideal only reachable through the use of synthetic substances?
_aavaa_•4mo ago
What is commonplace today would be considered synthetic decades ago. Look at the breed of plants we grow, animals we raise, and staple foods (cheese) we eat.
eulgro•4mo ago
Even then, many would extend the unease I expressed to include some of the things you mentioned too.
freehorse•4mo ago
_aavaa_•4mo ago
com2kid•4mo ago
> Can't we just live as we are and not aim for some ideal only reachable through the use of synthetic substances?
Insulated housing is a synthetic substance. I rather enjoy living with it.
Oh and cooked food. Huge advantage there.
All grains we eat are highly processed.
Even beef is dry aged.
Cheeses are processed as hell, just we use cultivated bacteria to do the work for us.
> people do just fine without any of that.
Tell that to someone who is vitamin B deficient.
Choline supplements are a huge help for the elderly, just across the board (with the exception of some people who do really bad with choline!)
soganess•4mo ago
I also understand the discomfort with the culture of “optimize everything” and constant self-experimentation. Supplements like creatine get framed as steps toward some perfect, engineered version of ourselves, and that framing feels like a hangover of eugenics thinking. It causes an acute, if subconscious, aversion that can manifest in the cool dismal of your parent's comment.
That unease matters. Maybe if we were more objective we would say it should not matter, but it does. And, while I often just ignore it, I am not sure I want to fully let go of it yet.
SkyPuncher•4mo ago
I know I've seen _major_ life improvements with the addition of a few key supplements.
whycome•4mo ago
(Yes, most insulin is now synthetic).
steve1977•4mo ago