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Americans traveling to Europe will have fingerprints scanned under new rule

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/americans-traveling-europe-fingerprints-scanned
32•frozencooler•4mo ago

Comments

SilverElfin•4mo ago
Ugh. I guess this is part of the normalization of surveillance in the Europe with chat control and everything else.
eesmith•4mo ago
Foreign visitors to the US have had to be fingerprinted for years, so you could guess it's part of the normalization of surveillance around the world.
pjmlp•4mo ago
Having fingerprints on our ID cards has existed for decades.
cmdtab•4mo ago
I paid, booked a flight etc for having a 360 scan and giving my fingerprint just to be able to apply for a US visitor visa (which could be rejected but they would still keep all your information)
throw-the-towel•4mo ago
And European visas work exactly the same way. The news here is that Americans are going to lose their privileged status, and be treated like the rest of us.
tpm•4mo ago
We have biometric passports in the EU for quite some time so I'm a bit surprised it took so long to take the same data for visitors too.
lioeters•4mo ago
Every single comment: What do you mean, it's totally normal to require fingerprint scanning for travel purposes!
Scanner771•4mo ago
People will let others take from them, piece by piece, until everything is gone. Even if you have nothing to hide, do we not have a right to privacy? We should be asking why they need it.
wqaatwt•4mo ago
From high risk countries, full of extremists and other dangerous people like the US? Seems pretty reasonable.
shaky-carrousel•4mo ago
It's been normal for Europeans entering the US for a few years now. It was about time for it to become reciprocal.
schoen•4mo ago
I wish (and have wished since US-VISIT started) that Europeans would instead have persuaded the U.S. to stop doing it, instead of copying the U.S. or reciprocating.
jb1991•4mo ago
Perhaps you didn’t realize that the United States has required most Europeans to scan their fingerprints for several decades upon entry.
privatelypublic•4mo ago
Everybody entering you mean.
jkaplowitz•4mo ago
With some exceptions, including not only the obvious one of US citizens but also most Canadian visitors too.
bigyabai•4mo ago
It's a clear-cut troll account. They won't acknowledge anything that refutes their inflammatory flamebait.
MandieD•4mo ago
My husband, a German, has been putting his fingers on the scanners when coming in to visit my family for nearly two decades - turnabout is fair play, I suppose...
immibis•4mo ago
That's the idea with a lot of immigration policy. Strange this one wasn't already reciprocal. Whoever originally designed it felt that Europe needed American visitors more than vice versa, but now, that's not the case.
1718627440•4mo ago
Or that Europe should treat foreigners nicely.
atonse•4mo ago
What is “not nice” about having to provide your fingerprints? Genuinely asking.
1718627440•4mo ago
Privacy? Being treated like a criminal?
nomel•4mo ago
> Strange this one wasn't already reciprocal.

I don't think "back at ya" is the goal here. There are many practical and good reasons to have fingerprints of people entering/trying to enter your country. Most are the same reasons that you have to give fingerprints in domestic situations.

amanaplanacanal•4mo ago
It's unfortunate that the whole world is becoming more and more closed off. It feels like eventually we are all going to be locked into the country of our birth, with no hope of traveling somewhere else for a better life.
downrightmike•4mo ago
Chattel Slavery
klustregrif•4mo ago
How is this “more closed off” non Americans traveling to us have gotten their fingerprints scanned for more than a decade?
amanaplanacanal•4mo ago
It's all part of the same trend.
general1465•4mo ago
When you will arrive to USA via ESTA, then you have fingers scanned as well while you are talking to immigration officer.
yongjik•4mo ago
I won't say the governmental fingerprint DB is great for liberty, but in the grand scheme of things, it's largely inconsequential.

Case in point: South Korea. It has the total fingerprint DB of every adult citizen. Has been so for decades. Doesn't really affect people's freedom except in the abstract sense of "I don't like it when the government knows too much about me" way. Didn't even stop citizens from organizing mass protests when our president was stupid enough to declare martial law last year.

There are usual suspects that pose much bigger threats to democracy: things like income inequality, failing education, social network doing its things, media colluding with mega corporations, the usual stuff. Fingerprints may make a nice Hollywood SF thriller but that's about it.

nearting•4mo ago
It's inconsequential until it isn't. All of the other threats you mention are still threats, but if a government has a database of every resident's fingerprints and decided to use this to arrest every person who could be traced to a protest venue, a reasonable person would very quickly change their mind.

The way I see it, a government not having my fingerprints creates one more barrier to possible tyrannical actions like this and is thus a good thing.

atonse•4mo ago
Badly written article or headline.

This new rule applies to ALL travelers coming into the Schengen area, not just Americans.

kaleinator•4mo ago
Expected quality from Fox
schoen•4mo ago
Yes, we know the U.S. has done this since 2004 (and so have several other countries, especially in Asia). There's nowhere that I know of that has an organized lobby for foreigners' rights. If there were, I would join it.

(I mean, Ed Hasbrouck has been campaigning against travel surveillance and heightened use of ID for many years, so we have, like, one person!)

One problem is that when governments get together to talk about data and travel, they mostly end up negotiating ways to collect and exchange more data about travelers!

goingmonk•4mo ago
Its basically access logs and authentication for living people to a country. Its not a matter of if this will happen, It is a matter of when and how well it is executed.
Stevvo•4mo ago
I had my fingerprints taken entering the US pre-9/11 as a kid on a holiday with family. Wasn't any scanners back then. Good way to make visitors feel like criminals.