Sorting by revenue would definitely move Grok down. The top 2 Grok models listed are very cheap or even free right now.

It's very verbose even when prompted to remain brief, but it's still not a bad model and I use it a lot.

Maybe it's verbose internally? When I run it, it's just extremely fast. So the verbosity doesn't seem to affect things.

> most of Grok's traffic is through their free endpoint

https://openrouter.ai/x-ai

Code Fast 1: 100B

Grok 4 (free): 84.6B

They're definitely amazing for the price. I like that you can do quick back and forth with them. but they're not very smart. When I need something to actually analyze or write good code and not just refactor and move things around, they're not good for that.

Now that Cursor has moved towards a credits system, grok code fast is making the plan last while still being reasonable in inference time. GPT 5 and GPT 5 Codex actually moves my "amount remaining" bar in realtime while being incredibly slow.

> The intense Nazi bias makes it a bit of a hard sell to me.

I haven't used it for anything social/political. Do you mean actual 1930s-1940s Nazis or are you using the term analogically?

As if name calling was gonna help. It's not just free speech when you agree with it. Competition remains a good thing and honestly, the obvious liberal bias (remember the black female pope pics on Gemini?) on virtually all other platforms makes it an appealing alternative for the more nuanced for exactly that purpose.

For what it's worth, barring that week or two where it parroted Nazi talking points, after community notes Grok may be the best thing to happen to the Twitter information ecosystem. The majority of its use in ideological contexts is effective debunking of right-wing conspiracy theories. Trumpists and neo-Nazis constantly argue with it and say it's compromised, and I have seen it sway some conspiracy theorists. You can see many examples here: https://reddit.com/r/grokvsmaga/

I detest Elon and the fact that Twitter is now teeming with neo-Nazis and other nutjobs, but contrary to popular belief Grok has actually been an incredible counterweight to both.

What are you using it for when it shows a “nazi bias”?

I have used it exclusively for a month and haven’t seen this at all

This isn't xai, this is openrouter, they sell tokens themselves, so they would know.

Now you should reevaluate the rest of your opinions

For what it is worth, xAI models have historically always underperformed my personal, amateurish benchmarks when compared to what I’d expect to see due to their performance in more publicly known evals. Claude has historically always been the exact opposite, underperforming public evals while outperforming my testing and OAI with 4.1 and 5 output I found to most closely be within what one would expect from those same benchmarks vs my own.

Training to the test, especially in flashy, easy to grasp things like bouncing ball and subsequent failure of similar tasks after small prompts changes made me doubtful of any claims that XAI models are good, with Grok 4 Fast not being an exception. Take the benchmark performance, even when they let external partners like Artificial Analysis do the evaluation, of any LLM lab with massive skepticism, but with XAI I have the most reason to doubt their claims due to prior performance discrepancies.

Just to add some context to what I perceive is their honesty. Also, lest we forget their commitment to publishing system prompts and changes to that for the X deployment of Grok and how these somehow did not reflect any changes during the South Africa and Mechahitler incidents…

Hrm, I've never used it, but maybe I should. I've really only used claude and chatgpt, but it's annoying with how they agree with whatever you feed them.

ChatGPT truly has no moat. I already stopped using it and cancelled my payment. The got left behind so quickly.

What is shady about it?