I suspect an H1B decision reduction is a step in the correct direction here, but
Already being changing. Singapore is now exempt. As more palms are greased, I am sure more exemptions will follow.
I think this is a terrible idea that only helps those like your friends: people that got into tech because of job prospects but never cared about the field.
It's going to hurt American IT companies and in the end all IT workers if the field becomes less competitive and more mediocrity will survive.
Well, it will also help the tens of thousands let go from top tech companies over the last two years, many of which do care about the field. I can assure you the fact that someone has an H1B says almost nothing about how much they 'care about the field'.
There is no degree that guarantees success, no job that lasts forever, and no guru with the secret to happiness. You've just got to be clever and adaptable and stay on your toes.
No one in modern society is completely helpless or lone wolf unless they truly want to believe that.
If jobs were guaranteed regardless of demand, allocation of labor would be less efficient, and we’d all be poorer on average.
Indeed. All it takes is a world government and tight surveillance and enforcement and for sure human behavior can be controlled.
Still, who controlls the controller?
I'd at least have expected some more original retorts than just canned slogans though.
I am not even disputing what you have stated as a possibility. It is just, there are other possibilities. Maybe the Government Pension Fund of Norway is a good counter example to what you propose?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Nor...
Governments influence economics all the time in subtle and not so subtle ways.
Unless it's my life, then it's different.
>No thanks, actually. I’m pretty happy with the status quo.
Ok don't come crying when things change and you're no longer on top.
If the president, media, teachers, influencers, the richest people on the planet, and my parents say it? I probably would. I think it's disingenuous to imply this wasn't strongly recommended as the ideal way to get a high paying job straight out of college that only improves over time.
The point was that Big Tech wanted more competition in the labor market to drive down programmer wages.
As they have demonstrated time and time again, the CFOs at "Big Tech" companies abhor paying programmers what they are worth. They do not care that they make $1 million in profit for your work, they hate that they pay you $300k, and they are willing to do anything (including multiple cases of illegal conspiracy) to pay you less than that.
I think hiring is less bleak here on the east coast.
Software Developers in most of these large companies are underpriced.
You’re not going to convince me that $300k is underpriced, that’s doctor/lawyer pay without having to spend 10 years in med school. Dev salaries are a bubble.
A dev can make a product that a billion people use.
The reason that companies pay engineers more than in other industries/countries, is that in general companies in other industries/countries don’t make nearly as much as SV companies.
The implicit contract goes as follows: You pay ~50,000 engineers around $400,000/year, and you essentially get a money printer and get to be one of the richest people in the world. Who wouldn’t take that trade?
In general, you can’t do that in any other country or industry.
They make money through monopoly effects on their social networks and ad platforms. They need some devs to build/maintain that platform of course, but devs are not as core to their business as they think they are. The monopoly status is the money printer.
How many years of learning at home good developers needs?
Even using $300k as an example of a programmer getting ripped off relative to their worth -few industries afford opportunities to make anywhere near that much money. The median US pay is ~$40k.
If you ever get a chance to hear the C suite talk to an audience that's not primarily engineers, this is exactly how they think.
Remeber their job for which they get paid more in one year than you will in several life times is to make those numbers go up.
If you were getting paid that much, what wouldn't you be willing to do, say or believe?
The entire point of a market economy is that prices are driven by supply and demand. Salaries are just prices.
If more and more people are capable of delivering high quality software, but the demand for it doesn't increase at the same rate, then it should be worth less.
Furthermore, hirers are evil people for wanting to pay less, any more than job seekers are evil people for wanting to get paid more, or shoppers are evil people for wanting a discount. The supply side is always going to want higher prices, and the demand side is always going to want lower.
It's a cultural thing. The USA never has and probably never will really value technical talent.
"Noone gets paid until something gets sold".
It never occurred to them that nothing gets sold until something gets built. They just took that part for granted.
Engineering often views their role as taking in specs and outputting product with little regard to whether or not the product is actually worth buying.
Sales views customers as a resource to exploit rather than an entity to serve.
Both sides have gotten so far and lazy from American hegemony that it’s no surprise China has usurped the US.
Never dealt with salespeople before?
You don’t have to look hard for examples of sales promising things that engineering then has to try and deliver. I think Dilbert comics from the 90s rang that bell nearly every week.
In the 90s they innovated lethal injection drugs.
> As the industry embraces A.I. coding tools, computer science graduates say they’re struggling to land tech jobs.
It seems this rarely gets discussed in the media though. As you said, AI gets more readership attention. I also get the impression people feel there's something culturally offensive about discussing off-shoring.
Why? They just took the classes and expected a cushy job.
I, on the other hand, worked on lots of my own projects and contributed to open source. I had a job lined up after graduation and haven't been out of work since.
Most of them got out of tech completely.
You can't just expect to follow a list of pre-written steps and then get rich from it. Life has never worked this way, but people continue to expect it.
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