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Apple HomeKit – The Long Con

https://www.naut.ca/blog/2025/08/29/apple-homekit-the-long-con/
39•rubatuga•1h ago

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dewey•39m ago
For me Apple services only make sense of you go all-in, only the you’ll get the benefits.

In that case why not use an open solution like home assistant?

tylerflick•11m ago
Why not both? Home Assistant integrates with Homekit.
alistairSH•9m ago
This is my setup. HomeAssistant on a Beelink mini PC bridged to HomeKit. HomeKit is only there for voice control (via HomePod Minis). The hardware is mostly z-wave, plus the hub running Debian (HomeAssistant in a container).
tropicalfruit•38m ago
the real "long con" is the i in iThing
petesergeant•29m ago
tldr as it seems to be being hugged to death:

> Back in 2019, I started my journey of self-hosting iCloud and disconnecting from Apple services. Despite a few inconveniences, I am quite content with the level of customization, privacy, and ownership my self-hosted services provide. At the time I was happy that HomeKit, unlike all the alternatives such as Google Home and Amazon Alexa, did not require iCloud or the need to round-trip to their servers. ... Apple now wants to lock down your HomeKit devices to an iCloud account.

mcsniff•19m ago
> It's clear that Apple is telling their users that the physical home appliances we own are no longer fully ours.

Then you never really owned them.

simondotau•10m ago
You never owned the software, you only have a license. I want to know why this can be widely understood, and yet we all act surprised when it turns out we don’t “control” software which nobody promised us any control over in the first place.
pseudocomposer•18m ago
I’m amazed that we’d been able to run HomePods without an Apple/iCloud account for a decade!

It seems like we’d do better to positively support products like that though, rather than not buy them and then only complain when they rework their products and get rid of the privacy features the market doesn’t seem to care about.

(I realize I’m conflating the OP and the market at large a bit here, but from Apple’s perspective they’re both just “the market.” I think he should have the ability to downgrade his equipment to a version that doesn’t require iCloud, though.)

bitpush•16m ago
Waiting for the day when Apple Intelligence starts to work with all the "we don't have access to your data, even if we wanted to" data.

It's coming, and lots of HN commenters are gonna be confused with Apples hypocrisy.

rcarmo•15m ago
This is kind of misguided since Apple isn't taking control of your devices -- you can use alternative HomeKit Home apps just fine without logging in.

(I run homebridge and hack my own HomeKit devices, FWIW)

What has happened is that iCloud is now required for syncing settings across devices _and_ being able to tunnel back to your Apple TV/HomePod (whatever is your home hub) and control things remotely - which is not quite how the article puts it.

alistairSH•10m ago
Same, I have (mostly) z-wave devices with a mini Beelink PC as the hub. Then use Homebridge (via HomeAssistant) to bridge to HomeKit. Works fine and I can ditch HomeKit in the future should the need arise. Of course, I’ve had an iCloud account the whole time because I use it for other things (cloud backup, photos, etc).
sgt•8m ago
Correct. For what it's worth, I also run Homebridge and a couple HomeKit devices. Ability to access some devices including cameras via HomeKit and through the Apple TV is a great thing. No setup needed.
drcongo•7m ago
Same. I thought this article was going to be about how Apple have done basically nothing to the Home app beyond it getting a new skin with each OS release. It's such a dog of an app now.
fuzzy2•13m ago
Eh. I feel TFA is a little overblown. It is not the devices (a physical thing with software) that are upgraded, it is the Apple Home instance (a purely virtual/software thing) that changes.

Personally, I use HomeKit with Home Assistant as the "backend" and it's working fine. HomeKit can see and act on exactly what I need it to.

Havoc•12m ago
This is why I shoot for a pretty clean FOSS stack on self hosting. Or at least things I know I can move easily.

Not because my surname is stallman but rather if I’m going through the hassle of DIY then it needs to be durable and independent

aynyc•10m ago
I honestly don't understand the surprised sentiment in the blog. Are we that naive to think that Apple/XXX won't do this?

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