I don't know why what Bernard Arnault says is on HN, he has no competencies in economy.
No dumb rich-hate here, simply that Bernard Arnault is definitely not best person to talk about the subject.
Oh that all billionaires were this undevious.
Few people care about "the economy" writ large, they just care about their little corner of it. This applies to both rich and poor.
Its understanding having proportion in mind is: How strongly you're breaking the economy.
It's clearly not a synonym.
In the same way fundraising for a start-up is friction. Nations are exercises in economies of scale.
They tend to be removed because the richer people convince the poor they need to be removed.
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Is that actually true though? Or just something a mouthpiece of the wealthy has put out in some shonky report?
And that does not even include the number of rich families who own vast amounts of real estate which they cannot take with them. If the argument is "they'll increase the rent" then implement rent caps (and crack down on fake renters who run AirBnB ops or sublet).
The image of taxman as thief has never been clearer.
Wealth tax is just one approach, but even top income tax rates used to be much higher in the US, and you could argue that politicians since LBJ and Reagan have failed the median citizen completely in that regard (nice visualization: https://mystack.wyman.us/p/tax-brackets-and-rates-1913-2024).
Wealth tax seems a step in the right direction.
Add some other deductions to what counts as income and sudden the rate becomes all but a joke.
I find the notion that you should pay less tax on capital gains asinine, too; it makes no sense to me that people should have to pay less tax on income that they didn't even work for.
My belief is that people were blind to growing income inequality and flawed taxation schemes because there was enough growth to paper over the resulting issues, but this stops being the case.
Specifically housing, I'd argue, has not become so expensive because of greedy construction workers (or immigrants, or regulation) but because average homeowners have to compete against an increasingly wealthy upper-class that sees real estate as a pure investment/rent extraction mechanism.
World War II was pretty effective at redistributing income (among those that survived). Lets hope it doesn't take World War III.
The wealthy abandoned France in 2000 and moved to Switzerland.
They abandoned France in 2009 and moved to... Switzerland.
They abandoned France in 2014 and moved to... Russia.
They abandoned France in 2020 and moved to... USA.
For nearly 2 decades there has been this steady rollout of the news saying the wealthy will abandon there socialist-democratic country for somewhere else. But most of them tend to stick around. A few abandon their dumb project and find their way back even.
The latest destination for some rich foreigners is Italy due to the lump sum tax on foreign income (200k) for the first 10 years of moving there.
But Italy also has a 2‰ wealth tax since 2013 or so.
All these news are always exagerated.
https://www.forkingpaths.co/p/does-taxing-the-rich-cause-mil...
And, like 'trickle-down economics', a very convenient myth for the rich.
It’s empty bluster.
The problem is the floor (cost of living, standard of living) is too low for too many people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Billionaires#Ann...
Of course combined with a general education in economics.
I always thought it highly unfair and detrimental to society that some start from zero while a small number of people are handed everything to them.
Please explain to me why my idea is foolish. Because I believe it will make society flourish.
Consistently devaluing everybody else's investment (via new shares) is essentially just mandatory inflation, on top of existing inflation.
Not to sound rude, but this is basic econ stuff. You can't just increase the supply of something and expect the value to keep increasing.
Inflation is a tax on poor already, so why not double-tax the rich via share dilution and Zucman tax.
amelius•1h ago
Just make it like a volume knob. Turn it up, slowly, see what happens. If bad things happen, turn it back down.
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sebastianconcpt•1h ago
And note that being an IQ denier would transform your question in an insult to intelligence.
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rockercoaster•1h ago
What are you trying to get at? Could you be more direct? I'm having trouble making sense of this post.
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saubeidl•58m ago
But Social Darwinism is an ugly way to see the world.
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vallejo•40m ago
A boy is born into the Colonel Sanderson's plantation. Young eyes see thousands in stooped labor on vast fields disappearing to the horizon.
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sam_lowry_•10m ago
Their US factory was never profitable.
potatolicious•57m ago
Nearly every single one has quietly crawled their way back into those respective cities. Agglomeration effects baby!
Listen, I am sure there is some level of taxation at which the rich will in fact decamp and go somewhere else, but empirically we are nowhere near it, nor does it appear that any of the mainstream proposals (either for increased high-bracket tax rates or wealth taxes) get anywhere near it.
For example, MA instituted a 4% surtax on all incomes over $1M and... and the population of payers actually increased 25% since instituting it[1].
[1] https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/04/28/massachusetts-millionai...
richwater•15m ago
This was obviously going to happen when you have a static number and inflation keeps going up. Inflation between 2022 and 2025 has been huge. Perhaps not 25% huge, but a large part of this "growth of payers" is just due to inflation.
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dgfitz•23m ago
There is a disconnect between those two ideas. The tax doesn't need to reduce their wealth. Wealthy people generally continue to make money, usually without even having to try or work.
rco8786•5m ago
As a random example, Elon Musk was worth roughly $50B 10 years ago, vs about $500B today. That's a $450B gain in wealth, the vast, vast majority of which was untaxed in any way.
We're not talking about taxing $450B from Elon. We're talking about taxing a small percentage of that.
mattnewton•52m ago
If they are moving businesses away then that could cause the job loss and other bad effects.
So maybe tax the first kind of wealth more?
bayarearefugee•52m ago
Speaking as an American who lives in California (so not directly relevant to the article in question, but 'wealth exodus' is often brought up to scare people about wealth taxes here as well):
Fucking Good. Bye Felicia. Hope they all move to Florida and/or Texas. We'll still be absolute fine here without them.
But also institute land value taxes so they can't be here while pretending to not be here
primitivesuave•41m ago
However, the reason that most municipalities around here will bend over backwards to attract wealthy residents/businesses is because of their chronically underfunded liabilities (pensions, retirement healthcare benefits, etc).
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BiteCode_dev•42m ago
Their company already don't produce much in France, it's all imported. They are paying minimal taxes already on what they produce and sell outside of France. And they don't pay taxes personally. So what would we lose if they leave?
For the things that are actually made in France, it's because they have to. They would have moved it already otherwise. So it's physical assets and people that can't be moved or sourced elsewhere. So what they have to produce there, they will still do. Their real estate, their logistic chain vehicles, and their local workshops will stay here. Even if they would sell part of it in fact, the actual physical stuff would stay here.
And what they sell here, they will still do: they are not going to exit the French market just because they can't be physically here so it's not going to affect the economy that much. What, less jet and luxury hotels revenue? It's ok.
And of course, we can increase taxes on their companies so that they get less revenue to compensate for their exile. We tax trading or exporting French-based company stocks so that they can't move that around without paying first.
Besides, once a stock is bought from the IPO, moving it from hand to hand is not investing more money into the company in any way. It's not going back into the economy.
They can move with their bank accounts and bonds, why do we care? It's not something that goes into our economy. They made sure of it.
sebastianconcpt•1h ago
Meditate on how good your openness to that idea was.
amelius•37m ago