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I spent the day teaching seniors how to use an iPhone

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/i-spent-the-day-trying-to-teach-seniors-how-to-use-an-iphone-and-it-was-a-nightmare.2468117/
44•dabinat•1h ago

Comments

dangus•1h ago
I think some of the comments on the post summarize it nicely: if an iPhone is a struggle, maybe that person doesn’t need it at all.

Alternatively, I think OP actually should look into the accessibility mode (“Assistive Access”) because it doesn’t take “hours” to configure. It basically turns the iPhone into a wildly easy dumb phone-like experience.

hahn-kev•49m ago
Sounds like a very expensive dump phone
rzzzwilson•1h ago
There's a quote from Bjarne Stroustrup showing it's not just Seniors having trouble:

I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone.

eholk•47m ago
Bjarne Stroustrup is 74, so he probably counts as a senior too at this point, although surely more technically literate than the stereotypes.

Still, I'm in my early 40s and I find myself baffled when I help my mom with her iPhone. I've been an Android guy ever since that was an option.

xatax•28m ago
He was around 40 years old when he said it and he wasn't talking about smartphones - at least what we call smartphones today.

> "I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone".

> I said that after a frustrating attempt to use a "feature-rich" telephone sometime around 1990. I'm sure the sentiment wasn't original, and probably not even the overall phrasing; someone must have thought of that before me.

https://www.stroustrup.com/quotes.html

nitwit005•21m ago
Telephones only seem intuitive because we got taught to use them as kids. If you look back, there was a massive effort to teach people to use them.

You can still find some of the educational films: https://youtu.be/p45T7U5oi9Q?si=5fiNEiqccg41nxQb

bombcar•1h ago
The biggest thing when teaching someone to use an iPhone - do NOT assume they need to know all the things YOU know how to do.

Instead, ask them what they want to be able to do, and show just that. The temptation is to show too many things.

Also, you can still configure an iPhone with no passcode, which is honestly the way to go, probably.

taneq•52m ago
Mostly agree, but also - if someone's genuinely new to phones, they might not actually know what's possible that they might want to do. You have to be a little bit opinionated on how to use the phone, at least until they know enough to have opinions of their own.
bapak•43m ago
Oh yes, you can, then an update is installed overnight and now they're presented with a non-dismissable screen that forces them to add it.

Literally happened this month with iOS 26 on my family iPad. Suddenly it had a passcode and I knew exactly why.

Telaneo•39m ago
You can opt to not add a passcode, but the option to skip on setup is hidden, and people generally aren't going to go back to the settings to remove it once it's added. It's a dark pattern I kind of get, but it's still not ideal, especially for a market segment like the elderly.
bapak•13m ago
Again, I did that, but then iOS keeps asking until it reaches someone who doesn't realize that there's no option. Effectively you have to reject it regularly, which isn't practical in this context (the elderly)
Telaneo•8m ago
I agree with that. I was just disputing the 'a non-dismissable screen that forces them to add it' of your comment. It is skippable, but it's hidden in a way your Grandma isn't going to discover.
avalys•57m ago
The iPhone - and macOS too - used to be a paragon of simplicity.

Today the setup experience on a brand-new iPhone or Mac is abysmal. Entering the same username and password multiple times - then sometimes a different username and password - competing notifications, irrelevant feature nags, a popup from some random product manager about their pet thingy. Permission questions from some meddlesome privacy team about the feature you just said you wanted to turn on. Uncertainty about whether you’ll break something irreparably by “skipping” the expected setup path. A choice of several inscrutable interface modes because no one has the balls to commit to a single solution. Just terrible.

I guess this is what happens without a dictator to tell people they’re fired for shipping garbage, and when a company worries about meeting quarterly KPIs rather than doing something great.

k2enemy•51m ago
And after all of that there are still red bubbles nagging you to sign up for various services and to enable features you already said no to.

I remember switching to Mac years ago to avoid this type of user-hostile crap in Windows.

SoftTalker•42m ago
lol yes. I’ve had my iPhone for a few years now and there’s still a red bubble on settings because I never set up Face ID.
jonhohle•48m ago
I’ve been a Mac user for >20 years, Linux before that, and lots of FreeBSD on the side. The rewrite from System Preferences to System Settings was one of the worst changes I’ve seen.

Preference panes used to be customized for each function to do what was necessary. Often there were hidden sheets with additional features for power users.

Now everything is just lists. Lists of identical looking, but actually very different settings. List of permissions that drill down into more lists which may or may not be what you want. The lists are unsortable and the order seems arbitrary.

I’m sure there was some push to SwiftUI preferences, but in my opinion, Scott Forstall’s Maps decision pales in comparison to the mess that Settings continues to be.

duttish•47m ago
I've been a software engineer for quite a number of years now. I bought a mac and iphone a few months back because I wanted to look into iphone development and there was a lot of cursing involved.

First the forms were incredibly bad for a new Swedish user. Then there turned out to be some kind of sync issue between account creation and when it can be used, but the error message did not reflect that in any way whatsoever. The next day the same thing worked.

On the one hand they have a support chat to contact and it's great, just being able to contact an actual person was a shock. On the other hand support couldn't help with my problem and I would not recommend the onboarding experience to anyone.

I'm never buying a mac again if I can avoid it.

inetknght•37m ago
> I've been a software engineer for quite a number of years now. ... I bought a mac and iphone a few months back ... and there was a lot of cursing involved.

I'm not sure what's worse: the inane keyboard compared to Linux or the ridiculously dumbed-down featureset that makes it effectively impossible for a power user to even try to transition into macOS.

Telaneo•45m ago
I've been really disappointed in iOS 26 for this reason. I thought it was going in the completely wrong direction, but maybe that was just me being grumpy. Then I noticed that the less computer savvy were having an absolutely abysmal time with it. We're back to computers being really hard for the normies, with apparently no mainstream option that's simple and easy for Grandma.

Unless you want to ship her over to Linux Mint or something similarly not mainstream, but actually user friendly.

I doubt Jobs would have let things get this bad. He would have been ruthless if he had noticed the setup and nagging being this bad.

jazzyjackson•37m ago
Took 3 tech savvy family members to figure out why mom couldn’t sign back into an app she was paying for: every time she “signed in with Apple” she also hit “hide my email” (first option) and so registered with a new random email address every time she signed in

It was also illuminating how complex sharing app purchases can be. Some apps allow it, some apps it’s a different payment tier to enable it. It was unclear who had paid for what app and why they didn’t show up on some devices.

jolux•57m ago
It's possible to simplify all of this significantly in the settings if you know what you're doing, but I also think a lot of older people would benefit from just not having a smartphone to deal with in the first place.
wanderingstan•56m ago
I empathize. My dad is 98 and can mostly use his iPhone fine, but I just wish I could turn off all the “shortcuts”: He doesn’t get swiping down from different edges of the screen for control panel vs notifications. He doesn’t get hard-pressing on icons for different options (like the flashlight), and so on. Wish I could turn off Siri and Apple Pay, because hitting the “sleep” button just slightly wrong can invoke them and then he’s stumped.
Telaneo•43m ago
> Wish I could turn off Siri and Apple Pay, because hitting the “sleep” button just slightly wrong can invoke them and then he’s stumped.

This should be possible? Or at-least it was when I was still using an iPhone, which was less than a year ago.

wlesieutre•41m ago
Try Settings -> Apple Intelligence & Siri -> Talk and Type to Siri

You can individually turn off 1) voice activation phrases, 2) press and hold side button, and 3) double tap bottom edge to type

For the flashlight, I assume you're talking about on the lock screen. You can customize the lock screen and remove that button entirely. If he has a newer iPhone, flashlight is probably a good use for the "Action Button" on the left, if he doesn't want to use that for toggling ringer/vibrate.

joules77•25m ago
Not just your dad but the vast majority don't use these features either.

The human brain has a natural upper limit in how many times it's beliefs can update per year. If the Total new features shipped by every company in the land, every year exceeds that limit, most of it is a gigantic waste.

Large, cash rich companies beyond a point attract opportunists. And soon they outnumber innovators.

After that happens we get run away Involution (change without purpose).

There is never ending amount of work going on, hyper specialization, elon/trump style self glorification/back patting, and all happening with very little purpose or meaning being produced.

The solution is well known. Orgs which have purpose are tuned into the Limits baked into the system.

captainkrtek•56m ago
We tried to get my grandma to use an iPad (not my idea), she ended up locking it in a drawer because she got upset with it. I can't blame her.

Ultimately, I don't think it's to her detriment. There would be some ease of mind if she had a cell phone and were comfortable using it (over a home phone) but tech is not for everyone.

malux85•55m ago
One of the things I’ve noticed with senior people is that fine motor control tends to start to go,

Things like double click a mouse is difficult to perform two very fast clicks, without also moving the mouse,

Same with iPhone, swiping without deviating, pressing TINY buttons, and even what constitutes a tap are difficult for the elderly. Yes there’s zoom but that only makes it 10% better, as I watch them

SoftTalker•49m ago
Also tiny fonts and poor contrast.
arrty88•54m ago
Older/earlier iOS was more simple, intuitive, and usable from my point of view (mid 30s tech oriented male). Now even i find myself getting lost in the endless settings menus and too many different home screen / option screen / extra screens. I don't even use MacOS Launchpad. Just give me a desktop, window manager, and simple notifications.

I dread the day my older mom updates her iOS and calls me for help.

alex43578•40m ago
What really has been added in terms of endless menus? Control Center was like 2013, Widgets were like 2014. Today, 90% of things are still controlled via the settings app, except for a few app-specific settings that are controlled via the specific app. The latest iOS has some rougher edges, but I can't see how it's confusing.
arrty88•31m ago
Here is a practical example: When I simply want to switch wifi networks at home or work or the coffee shop, or I want to disconnect my car from bluetooth and go with just my AirPods (for a private call with the kids in the car), it takes more than 3-4 clicks to do the "right thing" from that slide down menu.

The UI reaction feels more delayed now. If i'm in the middle of a call and want to go private, or some how got connected to the slow network, and i want to switch to the other one.

I feel like I used to be able to do it with 2 or 3 simple clicks. Now i cant remember if i need to click once, or click and hold, and by then the animation changed and now I tapped again and its doing something i did not expect.

For me personally, I used to be a wiz at navigating this phone on older OS versions - and now i feel like a klutz and it doesn't do the thing I expected anymore.

51Cards•51m ago
I taught my now 83 year old mother to use an Android phone 10+ years ago and now I use Nova Launcher to do my best to emulate the experience she's used to every time there is an OS update. She does pretty well, but recently Google changed the default Phone app and she hates it. It's tricky keeping the experience stable once they have learned it. There are also several "senior" launchers meant to simply the UI but all of them have been a little too restrictive.
Telaneo•37m ago
Might be worth it to try Fossify Phone as an alternative phone app. If anything, it's less likely to change overnight.
SoftTalker•51m ago
iPhone is full of unintuitive, undiscoverable “features” that you either stumble upon by accident, or someone shows you, or you just never find them. Even within their own apps they are not consistent, let alone what third parties do. It’s a pretty terrible experience but Android isn’t much better so we just have to tolerate it.
chasil•49m ago
The question is what motivates them.

My mom wanted conservative social media. I just had to install it, and off she went.

She barely answers phone calls correctly. She can't pull up her contacts or voicemail. Google maps is something that somebody else needs to do. The refusal to learn is solid and hard.

What to do? Parents.

bapak•40m ago
My mother's brain immediately blanks out the moment I tap something on screen. I can see it. If it's 3 taps she says "oh it can do so much, I'll never remember it"

And that's it. Complete refusal to learn. She uses her phone daily but struggles "to go back," pressing every x and back button until there's nothing, then finally swipe up to reach the iPad/iPhone's Home Screen. She's not that old.

chasil•14m ago
My relationship is not like yours, but...

What's her favorite novel?

Load it as an epub and spend as much time as you wish in visits reading it to each other.

Make her run the ereader app. Expand on that.

If you don't want to spend time in this way, connect her to the grandchildren on facetime. Wow is that a critical function that I was not expecting.

sleepyguy•48m ago
Touch screens can be difficult for seniors to use due to the reduced moisture in their fingertips, which often leads to multiple attempts for the device to register a touch. I'm not yet a senior, and I'm already experiencing this issue myself.

This is why I believe the future lies in touchless technology, like META Glasses. We should be able to control devices using voice commands or simple hand gestures. The need to touch icons or swipe feels outdated.

bapak•45m ago
I placed a Facebook Portal at my 90-year-old grandma's and she video calls me with it. Extremely easy to use.

I fear the day Facebook finally kills it and I have to navigate the nightmare that are tablets, their ever-changing UIs, and endless unprompted prompts.

alex43578•44m ago
Why try and force a smartphone onto someone who doesn't need it? It's like trying to get someone to use Excel when they just need to add two numbers.
bapak•42m ago
Video calls or video in general. Even photos. My grandma loves her Portal's photo slideshow.
maxbond•41m ago
Because their Nokia phones kept pocket dialing emergency services.
Telaneo•41m ago
Because they might need it (or at-least want it) for one stupid little thing, be that Facebook or their bank (and general computing defaults to phones these days for normies apparently, plus it's generally cheaper than buying a laptop).
nitwit005•17m ago
But Facebook or banking is likely harder than the basic phone usage they're trying to get them through, including the same account setup issues.
Telaneo•11m ago
My experience helping my Grandma begs to differ. Not to mention that Facebook and banking is what they're actually trying to do. That's the end-goal they're motivated to achieve. Random account setup bullshit and notifications about shit they don't care about is nothing but a hindrance placed in their path for nebulous reasons they don't understand.
k310•36m ago
I am a senior and a techie all my life.

I think that if it were simpler, I'd be less inclined to do more with it than it is actually useful for.

In particular.

Selecting anything is a struggle. No exceptions. And selecting more than one screenful is a horror.

Scrolling often clicks on something I didn't want to click. And just try grabbing that invisible scroll bar.

Any auto correct or suggest is ludicrous. I had to kill them all.

Swipe text refuses to type "and". I get Anna's or Ava ( that was a live demo) regularly.

Searching for an image is good for laughs, except for ocr'ed text.

Paste? HOLEY MOLEY. Any "action after a delay" infuriates me, especially when it's hit-or-miss. Give me a paste button!

These are "99%" things, not outlying operations.

Disclaimer: the ipad with keyboard case, trackpad, pencil, ARROW KEYS!!!, and BT mouse is better. Almost a laptop, but right/control click is NOT macos like.

Okay, enough rant. It's basically the clumsiness, compared to the precision of a desktop, that gets me.

Advantage? I can use it on the easy chair in the living room.

No $1800 computer chair. The desktop is harder on my anatomy.

Just to say that some "features" stink regardless of user age, though no doubt harder in seniors. I figure out one of the 140,000 obscure options/tricks via internet search, something that decades of experience helps me do, but especially in recent years, is next to useless for normal people.

And! When switching apps, more often than not, safari loses all my typing in a text area!!!

I lucked out this time.

OGEnthusiast•36m ago
I've always thought it's a bit unfortunate how having a smartphone (which almost always also means having an Apple or Google account to download third-party apps) is slowly becoming a near-necessity in today's society, rather than a nice-to-have. Even some places like national parks (in the USA) require you to download an app just to enter.
giardini•33m ago
Someday the cellphone will "come to us". The standard telephone did that and was a marvelous success for a century and a half. Cellphones will likely suck until manufacturers figure out what their customers really want/need.

Time spent learning, training and relearning your cellphone is time forever lost. I chose a different path and refused a cellphone for years. A year ago I got one. I use it for "away" situations only (when I'm out of pocket). Otherwise it sits in my office, just like my old AT&T phone did. If someone needs to get me, there's always e-mail.

zabzonk•29m ago
I'm a retired 72. I've been programming in C, C++, Fortran, ASM etc. etc. for over 40 years, and used just about every OS/GUI going.

But, but, but I really cannot get along with mobile phones! Whenever I pick one up I swipe or press the wrong thing. Just answering a call usually goes horribly wrong! And I have literal nightmares about it. So I am pretty much stuck with my VOIP landline, but am worrying things like my bank will stop supporting the tech.

Luckily, I guess I've done my three-score-years-and-ten, so I don't probably need to retrain. But I can completely understand non-techie oldies having problems.

AnonC•28m ago
Two things stand out:

1. The setup process should have a heavily simplified mode right at the beginning. It may not be simple for Apple to decide what to exclude from the standard setup process, but there are several obviously time consuming, annoying and unnecessary steps in it. A lot of behaviors with side button double click, camera button swipe, etc., should be off by default.

2. There should be a very short test on finding out the accessibility needs of the user (to the extent possible, because some people may not know how to follow written or spoken instructions).

These are not just for the elderly, but also for many others who have accessibility needs, who lack knowledge about gadgets (or can’t be bothered keeping up with changes in interfaces and disappearing physical buttons), who just need something simple that serves a few actions (like phone calls, video calls, taking photos, viewing received photos and videos, etc.).

jerezzprime•25m ago
Also, when you age your skin dries out and touch screens are less sensitive to your presses. So not only are these things exceptionally complex to use (eg many abstract concepts) the interface also does not really function well, making it a double whammy. I've had multiple cases watching my aging parents where I say press that or drag this, and it literally does not work, and makes them feel completely inept.

For the sake of our parents, we (as technology builders and buyers) need to be more comfortable saying the latest iPoop Galaxy S might be just not the right choice for a big segment of our society, and we need to make phones with buttons.