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Cloudflare Introduces NET Dollar stable coin

https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/press/press-releases/2025/cloudflare-introduces-net-dollar-to-support-a-new-business-model-for-the-ai-driven-internet/
40•holografix•1h ago

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kvam•1h ago
Why would cloudflare be the company to do this?
Cupprum•1h ago
At least its not facebook or microsoft.

But the better question would be, who should be the company (or entity) we should trust to do such a thing?

unglaublich•1h ago
Because they are establishing themselves as "the gatekeeper of the internet".
SXX•1h ago
MiTM is their business. Obviously mitming of financial transactions is the most profitable business of all.
noir_lord•1h ago
Rent seeking probably.

Cloudflare sits in the middle of a vast amount of web traffic now, offering easy global payments and skimming off the top of that is going to be very profitable potentially.

I don't trust Cloudflare, the larger they get the bigger the abuse potential becomes.

rozenmd•1h ago
Curious: how do you feel about AWS, Azure, GCP?
octo888•1h ago
You work for Cloudflare, so is your comment more a "we're no different" statement than genuine curiosity about their opinion?
rozenmd•39m ago
Genuinely curious.
noir_lord•1h ago
Same way I do about any large corporation, I don't trust them.
thrown-0825-1•1h ago
You mean Amazon, Microsoft, and Alphabet?
willtemperley•8m ago
CF: No criminal convictions I know about. No reason to distrust yet. Most controversies seem to be about providing services to political organisations.

GCP: Earth Engine is quite good, but Google have multiple criminal convictions. As a repeat offender they should be avoided at all costs. They are just so exceptionally good at manipulating people, markets and academia it's genuinely terrifying.

Azure: Microsoft still don't take security seriously. They're just a bit bumbly, not really smart enough to be as terrifying as Google.

AWS: Pretty useful, annoying to use, distrust because I can't bear Amazon's use of dark patterns in consumer products.

mapmeld•1h ago
I agree this makes little sense for Cloudflare to jump on the crypto bandwagon now. Maybe they want to retain some talent by turning this into an official project.

Is the premise that it makes more sense for an AI agent to pay in prepurchased stablecoin tokens instead of direct access to a credit card?

rjh29•1h ago
They are the moat between AI content crawlers and websites. They will probably start charging a fee and a stablecoin is a good way to do that globally.
thrown-0825-1•1h ago
So they can directly monetize page views with their own token and fully embrace the role of internet gatekeeper / tax man.
spwa4•2m ago
... which will then be immediately destroyed by law because it gives the actual tax man a single target, along with a money flow that comes from within the control of the tax man.

PLUS just imagine how many corrupt politicians will be tempted to force these payments to go through their company.

h33t-l4x0r•1h ago
Their customers are hit the hardest by the shift away from google search to AI. They probably are the right company to try to help them monetize their content.
aiisthefiture•42m ago
Google search is used more now than ever…
ACCount37•32m ago
What does the traffic from Google Search look like though?

I can't imagine all the low effort content farms that were providing things like dictionary definitions or ridiculously elongated ad-stuffed versions of kitchen recipes are doing too hot under the pressure from AI Overviews. And they can't be the only ones impacted.

jbverschoor•53m ago
Finally build an infrastructure for real micro transactions. First for AI agents to access paid content, then for consumer to access content.
tkel•1h ago
AI and Crypto in one? It's every hype-driven grifting CEO's dream
Min0taur•57m ago
The grift never sleeps.
anon191928•48m ago
these grifts brings billions to SV and tech startups, so
cluckindan•1h ago
”There’s no bubble!”
ares623•1h ago
In the words of J Jonah Jameson: “You serious?”
phartenfeller•1h ago
That's probably their strategy of handling 402 Payment Required[1]. They want to become the platform over which auctions for AI crawlers buying rights to use content take place.

Scary if it works out their way and Cloudflare becomes an even bigger giant.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/de/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Sta...

Orochikaku•53m ago
English version of the docs[1] since the version linked above is in German.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/...

NicoJuicy•45m ago
Cloudflare only has a market cap of ~75 b. So there a plenty of bigger giants out there.
giancarlostoro•1h ago
For those wondering, its a stablecoin. So you put in a dollar, you get back a dollar. This makes sense, especially for Cloudflare. It also makes a lot of sense to a degree, I don't imagine anyone trusting an AI to just hand over stablecoins for transactions.
thrown-0825-1•56m ago
"So you put in a dollar, you get back a dollar."

Until you don't.

There are dozens of examples of failed stable coins, to the point that they are now a meme in the crypto community.

shubhamjain•1h ago
This are zero details on how it's supposed to work, or how it avoids the problem traditional crypto. “Instant global transactions” sound good in theory, but it has never been a technological problem, purely a regulatory one. Govts. don't like this happening. They want oversight, especially for cross border transactions.
thrown-0825-1•57m ago
Every crypto project runs head first into this problem.

Layers and layers of technical bullshit that never addresses the fact that no government in the world wants to allow frictionless peer to peer payments across borders.

CF is likely building this to service an internal need to collect micropayments for some kind of pay to view "captcha", and all the rest is just highly paid PR spin.

garbthetill•52m ago
regulation from the US side sounds open with the genius act, plus the current admin is pro crypto. Regulations from other govs dont matter as they will just "geo block" countries that dont allow it and users will just bounce into the service with a vpn or proxy at their own risk, other crypto like btc , xrp has been used to cross border trade for a decade now even in countries with outright bans, the entities using it just work around it e.g have an operation in a country were its allowed or in the case of weak enforcement just dont care

Im not fully knowledgeable about banks, but i always thought the reason why regulation was so hard was because no one could agree on a common ground obvs each country wants to keep their moat with their own currency, but with crypto anyone can opt in at their own risk

thrown-0825-1•14m ago
Current US admin is pro grift, bribery, and embezzlement.

Crypto is a just a tool that enables that. They have no interest whatsoever in democratization, self-custodial finance, or frictionless payments across borders for anyone but themselves.

Direct p2p payments a "hard problem" because it directly contradicts what we consider to be one of the central pillars of national sovereignty, control over your national currency.

Crypto as a whole is in denial about this because there is no path forward without expecting nations to either give up one of their most effective levers of control, or expecting them to turn a blind eye to external actors eroding that control in real time.

lifty•9m ago
Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, you’re the one who is in denial?
thrown-0825-1•2m ago
Your question is unclear.

Denial about what national sovereignty means in regards to currency controls and what that means for crypto orgs who want to operate in the stable coin or off ramp space?

Plenty of examples of orgs either failing or entirely abandoning their crypto "principles" like privacy and decentralization just to get rubber stamped by various regulatory agencies.

thrown-0825-1•1h ago
Well time to move my DNS off of CF again.
kleene_op•1h ago
> "The Internet’s next business model will be powered by pay-per-use, fractional payments, and microtransactions—tools that shift incentives toward original, creative content that actually adds value,” said Matthew Prince, co-founder and CEO of Cloudflare.

Grim

randerson•41m ago
I’d actually prefer spending a few pennies to read an article vs. the status quo of being inundated with ads and trackers.
thrown-0825-1•39m ago
This argument is the endgame of the chef slowly boiling the frog.
swarnie•35m ago
Big business: Why not both?
lifty•41m ago
Isn’t that better than advertising? Of course, there’s the cognitive burden of micro payments (https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/the-mental-accounting-...) so not sure it will catch on. But for agents it might.
spwa4•7m ago
No. It isn't. Here's what happened to all the micropayments network platforms that competed with the internet:

The gatekeepers (telecoms) first decided they were going to publish things themselves too, which had zero success, then to pay themselves more than anyone on the platform, then when that still didn't work they kicked everyone else off the platform with various excuses (porn, crime, getting money from outside the platform, promoting non-sanctioned shows, ... the big thing that was successful were mail and chatrooms)

The problem is that these companies were always willing (after a short while) to damage the economics of the infrastructure as a whole, just to increase their own share (for example per-email charges). Eventually they had close to 100% ... of nothing.

And the irony is that because of these companies constantly trying to move into content and apps, destroying their own system more and more by crude attempts to force people into their content the only thing that remains of these systems ... is publishers. They couldn't really improve their apps, since that cost them money. They quickly discovered to use money as a way to avoid friction on their apps ... and then no business leader ever approved removing friction anywhere.

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL

vasco•41m ago
> Business agents could be instructed to pay suppliers when a delivery is confirmed.

What could go wrong?

dist-epoch•25m ago
The consensus on HN is that "if you are not paying, you are the product". Now you'll pay, and you'll not be the product anymore. Right?
raspyberr•3m ago
Look up how logical implication works
andrepd•23m ago
Grimmer than paying with your soul? With targeting kids with ads for gambling, ultra-rightwing podcssters, and fucked up sexual content? I find it hard to believe.
pwlm•21m ago
I built five different apps that pay-per-use with microtransactions and users were uninterested. The key reason I think is, and something one user stated to me explicitly, is that microtransactions change interactions from a social gratis model to a business transaction.
viraptor•49m ago
At least they could've used one of the many existing systems... Brave attention token for example is right there and there's a few other similar projects. They didn't even acknowledge alternative efforts.
garbthetill•48m ago
ik alot of people on here hate crypto, tether has been making billions each quarter for the last few years. I dont think there's any more real thought to this, than the genius act providing a framework and cf trying to get easy money

The genius act will change how fintech and neobanks operate, so expect to see more companies offering similar services

Orochikaku•37m ago
Could someone perhaps provide a steelman argument for this? My own personal read on this is really cynical...

As per NIST's recommendations[1] it seems like a blockchain doesn't make sense for this use case.

From where I stand it seems like Cloudflare is side-stepping the scrutiny, regulations and perhaps most pertinently the cost that would govern a similar offering using traditional financial instruments.

[1] https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Projects/enhanced-distribut...

factorialboy•19m ago
The only good thing about Blockchain today is Bitcoin's scarcity.

Almost every other project out there would be better off as a centralized project — heck, many of them are centralized, while claiming to hold on to the decentralized cyberpunk ethos — if not being outright scams.

Orochikaku•9m ago
I've personally found one compelling use case, decentralised DNS, I'm sure there are other projects attempting this but the one I'm familiar with is Namecoin[1]

[1] https://www.namecoin.org/

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